The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Kristatos]

We really need to know who is the director then we’ll know how they’ll proceed

As far as I know, there's no script yet, and I would expect that to come before the director is announced. With Casino Royale, Purvis and Wade wrote the first draft for Pierce, then Martin Campbell was hired to direct, then he brought in Paul Haggis, and only after that was the decision made to reboot with a new actor.


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[bjmdds]

Things will proceed quickly now as Bezos won't waste any more time as was done with Broccoli stall tactics.

[Jake]

I’d argue I don’t think EON’s CR put anything on screen to make that character a driving force in bonds life.

Agreed. I think they also tried to exaggerate her importance throughout Craig's arc because they were really more interested in turning her into Marie from the Bourne films than anything Fleming actually wrote.

[Omega]

I’d argue I don’t think EON’s CR put anything on screen to make that character a driving force in bonds life.

Agreed. I think they also tried to exaggerate her importance throughout Craig's arc because they were really more interested in turning her into Marie from the Bourne films than anything Fleming actually wrote.

To be fair I think Babs wanted to relive the OHMSS romantic story line. She also wanted the gravitas of the Bourne series, when she changed courses Batman begins and Bourne were well received by fans and critics. I’d also point out those movies never did the kind of numbers a good a Bond movie could do.

Paris Carver was a weak attempt to add some kind of romantic story arc to the series.
I always had the impression Bond wasn’t good enough for Babs she wanted to be acclaimed for the right things by the right crowd so started a soap opera drama trying to find the emotional hook she longed for.

But I would say the first quarter to first half of DAD had a lot of unexpired territory that put Bond on the out side disavowed. Some room for that from the Fleming books. It was more dramatic than the usual offerings but quickly dissolved into a cgi show off moonraker meets the matrix kind of thing.

No matter the motivation Babs couldn’t pull the drama she wanted off, she wasn’t good enough a producer to hire the right people. Then again the right people probably would have advised her this was appropriate for James Bond .


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[Omega]

Going to defend Amazon just for a second here.

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 We are committed to honoring the legacy of this iconic character while bringing a fresh, exotic new chapter to audiences around the world alongside [producers] Amy [Pascal] and David [Heyman],

This quote has some on social media melting down.

IMHO this is how I would describe cubby’s 007 back in the day. Fleming’s stories to a certain extent were exotic travelogues.

I’d also add that it’s essentially the opposite of what Babs did.
She rehashed her father’s legacy without adding anything new to it, she also was rehashing whatever the popular movies were a year or two before production began.

I could see someone examining the recent history of bond and coming back with it was a tired horse somebody beat to death. Every angle of every promo and action scene was copying somebody else. Even Craig posing in his tactical turtleneck was copied from elsewhere.

Cubby copies Hitchcock north by northwest, but does it distinctive enough to be different and exciting . Bond movies were a showcase of new tech and exotic locations, and notably beautiful women or to put it in DEI those who identified as such.

I’m not sure how we get from the quote from Amazon to reactions of this is DEI.
Maybe it’s because any change is assumed to be in that direction or because Amazon has a bad track record of woke activism.

Babs already went down the woke road with bond. The ideas she tried to smear Amazon with she had contemplated, attempted or implemented. Remember who was 007 in nttd.

Which I’d argue was wrong just because agent 7 was James bond , he worked his way to 007, was at one point 0007 when he changed departments for Yolt. ( I think).

But while Amazon will in all likelihood screw up James Bond, I don’t think the quote here is evidence of it. Maybe I’m missing another release from them.

Although it maybe good to get fresh outrage direct at them to keep them on the right path. Lord knows we could have used more fans in 2006 sticking to their guns when Babs went off the rails. She literally telegraphed everything she was gonna do, however, nobody wanted to believe it.


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[dirtybenny]

Well said Big O! Will "Amazon Bond" be any good? Probably not, but everybody (present company excluded) needs to stop getting their knickers in a twist about how "Bond will be ruined," it already has! How do you think the Babz 2.0 Bond would've shaken out? She's quoted as saying it would have been "more emotional" as if you could get any sappier than Craig!


As to the incessant OHMSS nods that comes down mostly to Purvis and Wade, every film they'd drone on about how that film was an "inspiration" for the film they had just completed, all 7 of them.

[kater23]

Going to defend Amazon just for a second here.

Code: Select all

 We are committed to honoring the legacy of this iconic character while bringing a fresh, exotic new chapter to audiences around the world alongside [producers] Amy [Pascal] and David [Heyman],

This quote has some on social media melting down.

IMHO this is how I would describe cubby’s 007 back in the day. Fleming’s stories to a certain extent were exotic travelogues.

I’d also add that it’s essentially the opposite of what Babs did.
She rehashed her father’s legacy without adding anything new to it, she also was rehashing whatever the popular movies were a year or two before production began.

I could see someone examining the recent history of bond and coming back with it was a tired horse somebody beat to death. Every angle of every promo and action scene was copying somebody else. Even Craig posing in his tactical turtleneck was copied from elsewhere.

Cubby copies Hitchcock north by northwest, but does it distinctive enough to be different and exciting . Bond movies were a showcase of new tech and exotic locations, and notably beautiful women or to put it in DEI those who identified as such.

I’m not sure how we get from the quote from Amazon to reactions of this is DEI.
Maybe it’s because any change is assumed to be in that direction or because Amazon has a bad track record of woke activism.

Heaven forbid you said anything bad about DC back in the day.

Babs didn’t have an original idea.Ever.

Babs already went down the woke road with bond. The ideas she tried to smear Amazon with she had contemplated, attempted or implemented. Remember who was 007 in nttd.

Which I’d argue was wrong just because agent 7 was James bond , he worked his way to 007, was at one point 0007 when he changed departments for Yolt. ( I think).

But while Amazon will in all likelihood screw up James Bond, I don’t think the quote here is evidence of it. Maybe I’m missing another release from them.

Although it maybe good to get fresh outrage direct at them to keep them on the right path. Lord knows we could have used more fans in 2006 sticking to their guns when Babs went off the rails. She literally telegraphed everything she was gonna do, however, nobody wanted to believe it.


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Babs has never had an original idea.

[Omega]

Going to defend Amazon just for a second here.

Code: Select all

 We are committed to honoring the legacy of this iconic character while bringing a fresh, exotic new chapter to audiences around the world alongside [producers] Amy [Pascal] and David [Heyman],

This quote has some on social media melting down.

IMHO this is how I would describe cubby’s 007 back in the day. Fleming’s stories to a certain extent were exotic travelogues.

I’d also add that it’s essentially the opposite of what Babs did.
She rehashed her father’s legacy without adding anything new to it, she also was rehashing whatever the popular movies were a year or two before production began.

I could see someone examining the recent history of bond and coming back with it was a tired horse somebody beat to death. Every angle of every promo and action scene was copying somebody else. Even Craig posing in his tactical turtleneck was copied from elsewhere.

Cubby copies Hitchcock north by northwest, but does it distinctive enough to be different and exciting . Bond movies were a showcase of new tech and exotic locations, and notably beautiful women or to put it in DEI those who identified as such.

I’m not sure how we get from the quote from Amazon to reactions of this is DEI.
Maybe it’s because any change is assumed to be in that direction or because Amazon has a bad track record of woke activism.

Heaven forbid you said anything bad about DC back in the day.

Babs didn’t have an original idea.Ever.

Babs already went down the woke road with bond. The ideas she tried to smear Amazon with she had contemplated, attempted or implemented. Remember who was 007 in nttd.

Which I’d argue was wrong just because agent 7 was James bond , he worked his way to 007, was at one point 0007 when he changed departments for Yolt. ( I think).

But while Amazon will in all likelihood screw up James Bond, I don’t think the quote here is evidence of it. Maybe I’m missing another release from them.

Although it maybe good to get fresh outrage direct at them to keep them on the right path. Lord knows we could have used more fans in 2006 sticking to their guns when Babs went off the rails. She literally telegraphed everything she was gonna do, however, nobody wanted to believe it.


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Babs has never had an original idea.

True. I forget who said this here but paraphrasing “it’s not that Craig isn’t James Bond it’s the Barbra isn’t cubby”

Cubby had his sins. Babs was sold on a very strange actor to the extent I think our existence and any criticism from outside her circle just cemented her decision. Cubby could cut bait on a bad ideas and reinvent himself as if nothing happened.

Babs had plenty of time to install her Craig clone in the role and have a movie ready for production before the ink was dry on Amazon’s contract. Craig quit in 2019, nttd was supposed to be released 2020. But she no new ideas and no desire to find any.

P&W I do think dragged the series down as a whole but we’re better than the people Craig brought in.

There was a story from I think before dad where it said before every production begins mgw , Babs , and others would site down to ohmss and ask themselves why can’t we make a movie like this again .

It might have been more helpful to sit down to GE, TLD , FRWL to pick a few favorites.

Did we ever figure out if she had a thing for Joe Don Baker?
I could never figure out why he reappeared.


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[bjmdds]

Pierce Brosnan is reacting to MobLand costar Helen Mirren's recent criticism of the James Bond franchise. Brosnan, 71, tells PEOPLE at the New York City premiere of their new Paramount+ series on Monday, March 30 that he agreed with Mirren, 79, when she recently told The London Standard that the 007 movies were "not my thing" due to the way women have historically been portrayed in the decades-old British spy franchise.

"She let them have it," Brosnan says of the interview. When asked whether he and Mirren have discussed her view on the franchise, he adds, "No, we didn't talk about that. Not at all."-----------Brosnan is a moron. He wanted the role from day one and now bashes it. Pathetic ingrate.

[kater23]

BTW fans in 2006 were too in thrall with DC to question anything. That’s why places like MI6 continue to be a haven for fanboys.

[Kristatos]

"She let them have it," Brosnan says of the interview. When asked whether he and Mirren have discussed her view on the franchise, he adds, "No, we didn't talk about that. Not at all."-----------Brosnan is a moron. He wanted the role from day one and now bashes it. Pathetic ingrate.

It didn't come across as bashing to me, more of a "no comment".

[Omega]

"She let them have it," Brosnan says of the interview. When asked whether he and Mirren have discussed her view on the franchise, he adds, "No, we didn't talk about that. Not at all."-----------Brosnan is a moron. He wanted the role from day one and now bashes it. Pathetic ingrate.

It didn't come across as bashing to me, more of a "no comment".

I don’t take it as bashing, he could have said she’s right or spill the inside gossip on how eon cast women.

It was sort of diplomatic from a guy who wouldn’t talk positively about bond until 2012.
I think there’s still bitterness over how they smeared his time as bond to save Craig and maybe uncertainty about what Amazon will do , they may call on old cast members to bless the Amazon presents Cubby broccoli’s Ian Fleming’s James Bond .

Maybe he should have defended the series more but there’s a lot of baggage there for someone who leans more left and might be scared of metoo.
He also really didn’t like the broccoli family so it may be old reaction to criticism of the series, to throw it back on the family, who only as of a few weeks ago no longer run the franchise .

Dalton deals with these kind of situations better. He would’ve come up with a pretty cool way of diffusing the whole thing.

I do think Helen Mirren doesn’t understand the responsibility of being in a franchise like that, someone like Harrison Ford has a better sense of it. Helen’s career has never really given her that kind of role or series. She’s a great actress, but she’s never had to share responsibility for the good of everyone working on a franchise beyond one role or two. I think she also ignores how counter to stereotypes of the time a some of those roles were.

Criticizing the broccolis is fair game. Even criticizing the way the broccoli’s cast women can be fair.
It ignores the history of independent film producer creating an icon and connection with their audiences in a way major Hollywood studios couldn’t. It also ignores none ( I can remember) of the Bond girls actually really hated their time in the series.


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[Kristatos]

I can understand Pierce not rushing to the defence of Bond given the way EON treated him, though he probably doesn't want to come across too much like the embittered ex either. He's wise to keep his mouth shut.

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[Omega]

BTW fans in 2006 were too in thrall with DC to question anything. That’s why places like MI6 continue to be a haven for fanboys.

Thrall is a good word for it. I wasn’t sure what they were defending, the series or the family who ran the series and DC was just supported in passing.

Some of the biggest Brosnan bashers just a few years before couldnt say enough about how awesome DAD is.

Most of those places if you were not ready to support the new movie then you weee not a true fan. Which took us down the road of a woman as 007 and James Bond dying for no real reason.


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[Omega]

I can understand Pierce not rushing to the defence of Bond given the way EON treated him, though he probably doesn't want to come across too much like the embittered ex either. He's wise to keep his mouth shut.

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True. He’s actually been fairly successful with his career after bond. It seems like he’s getting some interesting roles.


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[kater23]

There are a LOT of things that require you to be a “true fan” per MI6.And it isn’t even a Bond thing.I’ve seen it in other fandoms too. But it seems common in fandoms where multiple actors have played the same role(Hannibal comes right to mind.)

[dirtybenny]

Did we ever figure out if she had a thing for Joe Don Baker?
I could never figure out why he reappeared.

I mean who wouldn't?! The man is an Adonis!



To Helen Mirren's comments; I find it ironic one of the stars of Caligula has negative comments to make on the women of Bond.

There are a LOT of things that require you to be a “true fan” per MI6.And it isn’t even a Bond thing.I’ve seen it in other fandoms too. But it seems common in fandoms where multiple actors have played the same role(Hannibal comes right to mind.)

Must fully support current thing, previous thing is trash, current thing is bestust eva!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kater23]

I don’t care who’s playing a role. It’s not that freaking precious. DC being the exception to the rule.

[bjmdds]

Out of all the contenders that are speculated to be filling in the shoes of the next James Bond, Pierce Brosnan has some words of encouragement for Aaron Taylor-Johnson, who he previously worked with in the 2009 drama, The Greatest.

“I think he would be very good,” Brosnan said to Yahoo Entertainment. “I cast him in one of the movies I made a long time ago called The Greatest, actually and he played ‘the Greatest.'” The MobLand actor continued to praise Taylor-Johnson, adding, “This young man came on the set and took the space, filled the space with passion and energy. So yeah, I think if he wished it, wanted it and got it, he would be great.”

[bjmdds]

As far as who will be the next Bond, The Hollywood Reporter‘s senior writer Seth Abramovitch predicted last year who he thinks the role will go to. “Bond series producer Barbara Broccoli has always led from the gut, not caved to popular opinion. Lest we forget, the fair-haired Craig was considered a highly controversial choice when he was first announced in 2005. 2025 will thus be the year we finally learn the identity of the new James Bond, and it will not be Taylor-Johnson,” he believes. “It will be an English actor poised on the cusp of superstardom — familiar to audiences but not too familiar, with a seductive smile, ease with a tossed-off one-liner and charisma to spare. The next James Bond will be Josh O’Connor.” Seth is out of his mind! https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/wp-co ... 730&crop=1 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie ... 236181933/