The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

Post by **Omega** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:38 pm

Their is a weird split on this with people like Sweeney say the script doesn't reflect what happens on screen when a director and actors preform it. I can't think of one example where it's true except for improv scenes .
The other thing out their the faithful eon supporters repeat was there were significant changes to the script everyone read. Which doesn't appear to be true either

There are plenty of reviews from pros and fans alike criticising the story.

Some seem to think it's a win if it's not as bad as qos which shouldn't be acceptable

I want to know how any bond fan accepts the spectre origins bs and the unbond ending ?

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ml94 · Post by **ml94** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:49 pm

2 days...

Count_Lippe · Post by **Count_Lippe** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:58 pm

The script is of course just an idea of how the finished film should be even if everything is described in detail.

It's a bit disrespectful to say the script is all that matters, when there are many other talented people who help realize the ideas from the script into a film.

And things like cinematography and soundtrack you cannot read in the script.

I'm talking in general terms here, not about Spectre. I have no opinion about Spectre at all at the moment.

Post by **English Agent** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:19 pm

Count_Lippe wrote:
Alessandra wrote: I'm curious to understand why you deem White's scenes one of the best in the movie. I found that absolutely ridiculous and preposterous. A soap opera cliché exploited to desperately try to make sense of a nonsensical movie and of a group of disjointed and nonsensical movies that Craig did altogether.
I haven't posted anything about Mr White. You're mistaking me for somebody else.

And do calm down a bit will you.

'Ale' was referring to me...............as i mentioned there is a scene in the film, in which Bond and White are discussing about the Spectre organisation, and Madelaine Swann!

Actually, regarding the script.....no one has mentioned that Bond talks to a rat in this film, mind you he is drunk at the time, Bond that is, not the rat!

Post by **English Agent** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:09 pm

Omega wrote:Their is a weird split on this with people like Sweeney say the script doesn't reflect what happens on screen when a director and actors preform it. I can't think of one example where it's true except for improv scenes .
The other thing out their the faithful eon supporters repeat was there were significant changes to the script everyone read. Which doesn't appear to be true either

There are plenty of reviews from pros and fans alike criticising the story.

Some seem to think it's a win if it's not as bad as qos which shouldn't be acceptable

I want to know how any bond fan accepts the spectre origins bs and the unbond ending ?

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'Omega'......Hi.........i think the thing is, obviously the script is the most important aspect, and you can get a feel for what the movie could turn out to be by reading it.......but how it is conveyed to the screen, with all the other elements combined in making a movie is another matter all together........for instance, lets say you had read the script to any of the previous Bond films, and based your conclusion, solely at that stage, i'am sure you would find dialogue, or scenes in the screenplay, in which you would think be unsuitable to be in a Bond movie.

Regarding, Spectre's origins......yes what are they?........the one in the film is just EON's interpretation, and not how we all might think how the organisation started.........we are just basically seeing the writers interpretation, whether we like it or not, it just depends on the individual...............i did personally think some of it was a bit, lets say weird............and obviously its based on Spectre originating in our current time period.

Regarding re-boots.........it was obviously a risky thing to do, and whether in the long run it turns out to be satisfactory, we don't know.
re-booting other popular film franchises has damaged them in some ways, eg the Alien and Terminator series.............as the writers get to a point where writing the scripts to make sense of everything, and the timelines, causes confusion.

If there was some large back lash from the public to the studio.........then i'am sure they would change direction.............but that isn't happening is it?, so who ever plays Bond in the next film, i think EON will still carry on giving us stories based on Bond's origins!

At the end of the day, we all will like or dislike certain aspects of any film, its story, its characters and so forth..........but that's life............if i don't like a particular film..........then i just think i hope the next one is better, or they do this and that in the next one.

My frustration with EON, is they never seem to learn from some of their mistakes..............the better films in the series seem to come after, a previous film has performed poorly, critically or financially, or both. Then, when EON have a film which turns out to be popular, the next film tends to be a lazy effort.

Blimey, i better go and have a lie down now!

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:14 pm

I don't understand how any Bond fan can support the blasphemous direction Broccoli has taken her daddy's franchise to and will pay money to support such desecration of the iconic character.

FBF, are you now done with Tarantino after his latest disgrace?

Post by **English Agent** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:33 pm

I wonder if 'Putlocker'..........the online movie site that shows films and TV shows for free............even brand new films............will get there hands on a copy of Spectre, and put it on their website, before the film rolls out worldwide. Mind you they will certainly get a copy of the film during its early theatrical run........meaning that for people who don't want to go to the cinema and pay to watch the film, can watch it in the comfort of their home for free. Thats assuming if you want to watch the film at all anyway?

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:43 pm

Like everything EON has done wasn't enough,they now changed the head of SPECTRE. Now it's Craig's brother who...wants to ruin thebworld becuase the father prefer Craig? I don't know if I should cry or laugh. Maybe both.
They could have easily make him the head of Quantum(that was some kind of organisation,wasn't it?) but I guess they didn't want to remind anyone that movie even exsists.

shaken not stirred · Post by **shaken not stirred** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:20 pm

Veronica wrote:Like everything EON has done wasn't enough,they now changed the head of SPECTRE. Now it's Craig's brother who...wants to ruin thebworld becuase the father prefer Craig? I don't know if I should cry or laugh. Maybe both.
They could have easily make him the head of Quantum(that was some kind of organisation,wasn't it?) but I guess they didn't want to remind anyone that movie even exsists.

Spectre story in a nutshell is austin powers 3 (talk about irony).

Post by **English Agent** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:38 pm

Veronica wrote:Like everything EON has done wasn't enough,they now changed the head of SPECTRE. Now it's Craig's brother who...wants to ruin thebworld becuase the father prefer Craig? I don't know if I should cry or laugh. Maybe both.
They could have easily make him the head of Quantum(that was some kind of organisation,wasn't it?) but I guess they didn't want to remind anyone that movie even exsists.

Bond is an orphan......the family that adopted Bond, it was there son who became Bonds nemesis.

I know what you mean though.......it was a bit of a stretch to the imagination, that EON decided to make this the case, but they obviously did this as they thought it would give them more impact with the story!

Can't remember..........but in the Fleming novels, was it ever written about the origins of Spectre, and its people!

Daltonite Toothpaste · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:15 pm

The idea of Blofeld being Bond's step brother, is more cheesy than an explosion in a cheese factory.

I live in the UK, and though the film is now out, I shall wait for the DVD. I'll probably see it on DVD with my dad (also a long time Bond* fan).

*Connery to Brosnan.

Post by **Omega** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:17 pm

English Agent wrote:
Veronica wrote:Like everything EON has done wasn't enough,they now changed the head of SPECTRE. Now it's Craig's brother who...wants to ruin thebworld becuase the father prefer Craig? I don't know if I should cry or laugh. Maybe both.
They could have easily make him the head of Quantum(that was some kind of organisation,wasn't it?) but I guess they didn't want to remind anyone that movie even exsists.
Bond is an orphan......the family that adopted Bond, it was there son who became Bonds nemesis.

I know what you mean though.......it was a bit of a stretch to the imagination, that EON decided to make this the case, but they obviously did this as they thought it would give them more impact with the story!

Can't remember..........but in the Fleming novels, was it ever written about the origins of Spectre, and its people!

bond was an orphan raised by his aunt . So what this foster family bs.

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Post by **English Agent** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:24 pm

Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:The idea of Blofeld being Bond's step brother, is more cheesy than an explosion in a cheese factory.

I live in the UK, and though the film is now out, I shall wait for the DVD. I'll probably see it on DVD with my dad (also a long time Bond* fan).

*Connery to Brosnan.

Well........if you don't want to pay in any way to see the film.........you will be able to see it online for free soon...........saves you buying DVD then!

Post by **Omega** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:29 pm

English Agent wrote:
Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:The idea of Blofeld being Bond's step brother, is more cheesy than an explosion in a cheese factory.

I live in the UK, and though the film is now out, I shall wait for the DVD. I'll probably see it on DVD with my dad (also a long time Bond* fan).

*Connery to Brosnan.
Well........if you don't want to pay in any way to see the film.........you will be able to see it online for free soon...........saves you buying DVD then!

man they gave me a hard time during qos for daring to mention such a thing might be possible

how times change

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Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:33 pm

Omega wrote:
English Agent wrote:
Veronica wrote:Like everything EON has done wasn't enough,they now changed the head of SPECTRE. Now it's Craig's brother who...wants to ruin thebworld becuase the father prefer Craig? I don't know if I should cry or laugh. Maybe both.
They could have easily make him the head of Quantum(that was some kind of organisation,wasn't it?) but I guess they didn't want to remind anyone that movie even exsists.
Bond is an orphan......the family that adopted Bond, it was there son who became Bonds nemesis.

I know what you mean though.......it was a bit of a stretch to the imagination, that EON decided to make this the case, but they obviously did this as they thought it would give them more impact with the story!

Can't remember..........but in the Fleming novels, was it ever written about the origins of Spectre, and its people!
bond was an orphan raised by his aunt . So what this foster family bs.

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Ernst's backstory was described in the books. What was that crap with the Skyfall lodge with Albert Finney dressed up as Father Christmas? If they had had that cobblers in a Brosnan movie all the Craig fans would go on about it like the invisible car.

Daltonite Toothpaste · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:37 pm

For anyone curious the SP gunbarrel is on youtube. Though they've finally got the the look right.... just go and look for yourselves. About 20 seconds is all it takes, and they still can't get it right. And the music is a bland take on the gun barrel theme.

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:48 pm

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXROL2pyUAM[/video]

Post by **The Saint 007** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:48 pm

Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:For anyone curious the SP gunbarrel is on youtube. Though they've finally got the the look right.... just go and look for yourselves. About 20 seconds is all it takes, and they still can't get it right. And the music is a bland take on the gun barrel theme.

They should have just stuck with the gunbarrel style of the Brosnan era, and Craig's walk/turn still looks like crap.

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:52 pm

GARBAGE

---------Don't expect Writing's on the Wall to become part of Sam Smith's regular live repertoire anytime soon. Or, at least in its original key.

The singer revealed on the Graham Norton Show that he's not in love with the James Bond theme—particularly, its too-high pitch.

"I'm dreading it," he said, before performing the song. "I'm absolutely dreading it." he told Norton before the performance.

"I’ve only sang the song once really. I did the demo in the studio, and they used that. It is horrible to sing. Horrible. I regret—no, I don’t regret it... It’s just so high."

How high is it, Sam? "I have to grab my balls, it's awful."

Daltonite Toothpaste · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:56 pm

The Saint 007 wrote:
Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:For anyone curious the SP gunbarrel is on youtube. Though they've finally got the the look right.... just go and look for yourselves. About 20 seconds is all it takes, and they still can't get it right. And the music is a bland take on the gun barrel theme.
They should have just stuck with the gunbarrel style of the Brosnan era, and Craig's walk/turn still looks like crap.

Exactly. the Brosnan era gunbarrel not only tipped it's hat to the classic Binder design, but also modernised it. It still looks modern even in 2015.

bjmdds - That's the one I watched. What is so hard for them to keep failing?

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