Craig ruined Bond?

[carl stromberg]

The rest of the films he amplified each version to the point as if he was having a personality disorder. One moment he's angry and furious like Dalton in The World is Not Enough, the next scene he's goofing around like Roger Moore.

This and the series on autopilot is what made his other three films either average (Tomorrow Never Dies) or just plain stupid (Die Another Day).

You are aware that Pierce Brosnan did not write, direct and produce his Bond films, aren't you? Maybe if Barbara Broccoli had given Brosnan the same input as Craig, they would have made a really solid Bond film that you would of liked. Of course, I know you were bored with a handsome, suave Bond......

So let me see: just because Rotten Tomatoes rates Casino Royale very highly, that means I should love it to? Instead of making up my own mind about a film, I should simply go on Rotten Tomatoes and see what their view is?

Granted, Casino Royale was popular. But then so was Brosnan. Brosnan relaunched Bond, he was called the best Bond since Connery etc etc. Many people did not like Casino Royale, probably more than the 3% who you think were critical.

Here are a couple of quotes from Rotten Tomatoes:

"Meet the new Bond, not the same as the old Bond -- and thank God for that."

Richard Roeper Chicgago Sun times

This man does not like Bond films, reinforcing the fact that those who liked Casino Royale did not like/or were bored with Bond.

And another

"A Bond reboot that explores the fascinating early career of James Bond"

Hollywood Reporter

Early career of James Bond? Where was that then? I just saw some 40 year old man who looks 50 wandering around.

These are just a couple of sentences from the CR reviews page that contributed to the 98% rating (or whatever it was).



Also, why are you shouting?

Sweeney:
[DAD] Probably the most slagged off film of all-time if you read the other Bond websites. The reviews in general weren't that kind either

I remember it receiving a nice reception when it came out. You are acting as if they were burning down the cinemas.

[The Sweeney]

So let me see: just because Rotten Tomatoes rates Casino Royale very highly, that means I should love it to? Instead of making up my own mind about a film, I should simply go on Rotten Tomatoes and see what their view is?

Granted, Casino Royale was popular. But then so was Brosnan. Brosnan relaunched Bond, he was called the best Bond since Connery etc etc. Many people did not like Casino Royale, probably more than the 3% who you think were critical.

This is in response to EOTT's comments about people not liking CR, despite BO takings, and claims that Bond 22 will be much worse. What Stocks has highlighted is the difference of critical opinion between the Brozza films and CR - even if it is just one particular source.

With regard DAD, you'd be hard-pressed to find many fans who thought the film was superb. Critics and fans alike slag it off to high heaven - even on here I haven't heard people singing its praises from the rooftop, more the opposite actually.

[stockslivevan]

So let me see: just because Rotten Tomatoes rates Casino Royale very highly, that means I should love it to? Instead of making up my own mind about a film, I should simply go on Rotten Tomatoes and see what their view is?

Of course not, and if you read my post, I said that those who did not like Casino Royale are acknowledged on the negative factor. Why are you putting words in my mouth?

Did you miss the big bold letters at the end of my post?

OPINION: Your own.
FACT: A lot of people liked it.

I don't see why you would believe I am trying to tell you "if the majority loves it, you should to".

[Jedi007]

Good thing there's a difference between the two group of Bond actors. The new Bond is fondly called by its supporters as "Bond 2.0". So be it, but then "Bond 1.0", the Cubby Bonds, are better than Barbara Bond.

FACT: A lot of people liked it.

How did you know it?

[The Sweeney]

Good thing there's a difference between the two group of Bond actors. The new Bond is fondly called by its supporters as "Bond 2.0". So be it, but then "Bond 1.0", the Cubby Bonds, are better than Barbara Bond.

FACT: A lot of people liked it.

How did you know it?

He's just told you - Rotten tomato reviews......

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Sweeney wrote -

With regard DAD, you'd be hard-pressed to find many fans who thought the film was superb. Critics and fans alike slag it off to high heaven - even on here I haven't heard people singing its praises from the rooftop, more the opposite actually.

If you are half the Bond fan you claim you are, then you will know that Die Another Day was a surprise hit and got nice reviews when it came out. I'm fed up with your sarcastic revisionism.

Many people now say they hate it, four years after it's release. Maybe people will hate Royale after four years of reflection.

Stocksilvian wrote -

I don't see why you would believe I am trying to tell you "if the majority loves it, you should to".

Because you and your team do so on a daily basis.

Eye of the Tiger wrote -

In the case of Casino Royale we hadn't had a Bond film in the last 4 years, so there was more anticipation for a new one than usual. EON did everything they could to hype-up CR, and I don't expect that they will pay as much money this time around on promoting Bond-22? And after the dust settled there are honestly countless people who walked away from Casino Royale very disapointed, and I'm talking about people who went into it with an open mind and wanting to like the film.

And those who disliked Craig will probably go to the next one because it is a Bond movie

[The Sweeney]

If you are half the Bond fan you claim you are, then you will know that Die Another Day was a surprise hit and got nice reviews when it came out. I'm fed up with your sarcastic revisionism.

I recall a few positive reviews, but also some very bad ones too on DAD's release (by this I mean major film mags, newspapers, etc. that I read at the time).

Rotten Tomatoes gives a fairly accurate picture on this. DAD received nowhere near the high level of acclaim that CR did.

You are fooling yourself if you think it did.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Rotten Tomatoes gives a fairly accurate picture on this. DAD received nowhere near the high level of acclaim that CR did.

It was not universally loathed.

Empire, BBC, Maltin and so on were positive.

[Felix Leiter]

Daniel Craig has ruined Bond a bit for me now.

All the James Bond books and tv montage programmes will have stills and clips from CR. I want to look at pictures and clips of Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan as they are Bond. I don't want to own anything of the ridiculous spectacle of Daniel Craig playing Eon's James Bond.

It's petty, but that's how I feel.

That's pretty much how I feel. I have a nice collection of Bond magazines and books at home and I'm depressed at the thought of Craig being part of it in the future.

[The Sweeney]

Rotten Tomatoes gives a fairly accurate picture on this. DAD received nowhere near the high level of acclaim that CR did.

It was not universally loathed.

Empire, BBC, Maltin and so on were positive.

Empire - 3 stars DAD
Not quite the birthday party we were expecting, but it's a diverting enough spectacle. The character and his careful owner are just too good to let the evident wobbles founder this universal export. You just wish the producers would learn to stop worrying

Empire - 4 stars CR
Contrary to pre-release nay-sayers, Daniel Craig has done more with James Bond in one film than some previous stars have in multiple reprises. This is terrific stuff, again positioning 007 as the action franchise to beat.

You are right. Empire above were not too hard on DAD, and BBC gave it a positive review. Perhaps I was mistaken that the film was universally slagged off when it first came out (although it should have been)....

This makes an interesting read and comparison though -

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/die_another_day/

http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/casino_royale/

[Skywalker]

And my guess is, Bond 22 will be even more successful, both in terms of critical acclaim AND the BO takings - something that failed to happen under Brosnan's tenure.

Inflation adjusted BO takings? Are you predicticting more worldwide admissions for Bond 22?

Absolutely!!

You could be right, but I feel Craig may have topped out with CR. I guess we will see next year. Bearing in mind my sporting nature I will assist you on your prediction by going to see it.

[ID]

Rotten Tomatoes gives a fairly accurate picture on this. DAD received nowhere near the high level of acclaim that CR did.

It was not universally loathed.

Empire, BBC, Maltin and so on were positive.

Empire - 3 stars DAD
Not quite the birthday party we were expecting, but it's a diverting enough spectacle. The character and his careful owner are just too good to let the evident wobbles founder this universal export. You just wish the producers would learn to stop worrying

Empire - 4 stars CR
Contrary to pre-release nay-sayers, Daniel Craig has done more with James Bond in one film than some previous stars have in multiple reprises. This is terrific stuff, again positioning 007 as the action franchise to beat.

You are right. Empire above were not too hard on DAD, and BBC gave it a positive review. Perhaps I was mistaken that the film was universally slagged off when it first came out (although it should have been)....

This makes an interesting read and comparison though -

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/die_another_day/

http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/casino_royale/

People tend to go overboard when something is new;

http://commanderbond.net/category/223

[stockslivevan]

Stocksilvian wrote -

I don't see why you would believe I am trying to tell you "if the majority loves it, you should to".

Because you and your team do so on a daily basis.

Exactly, we're trying to help some of you (won't name names) understand that you do not speak for everyone because you are a minority and a vocal one at that. Doesn't make it a bad thing, you can still holler out your opinions but don't fool yourselves when some of you say "Craig was an utter failure, everyone who saw CR knows that" because it certainly contradticts plenty of facts. It is true for those who were not pleased by Craig, but certainly a vast majority did not hate Craig as Bond, otherwise the box office grossings wouldn't have passed DAD and the critical acclaim wouldn't have jumped 40% up after the last three Bond films. If that's what a failure is, well then you certainly speak the truth when you say you had very high expectations.

Once again, your opinions are acknowledged.

[007]

People tend to go overboard when something is new;

http://commanderbond.net/category/223

Looks like they were raving about DAD in 2002. I get the feeling they like to do that with any new Bond film.

[The Sweeney]

People tend to go overboard when something is new;

http://commanderbond.net/category/223

Looks like they were raving about DAD in 2002. I get the feeling they like to do that with any new Bond film.

Exactly! What else would you expect from hardcore Bond fans....

[John Drake]

I understand what people mean about Craig in future Bond books and Bond DVDs. The recent Art of 007 book is one I would have almost certainly bought in the past. I flicked through it in the bookshop and Craig was so much the odd man out in the photos it was almost comical.

[Terry]

I understand what people mean about Craig in future Bond books and Bond DVDs. The recent Art of 007 book is one I would have almost certainly bought in the past. I flicked through it in the bookshop and Craig was so much the odd man out in the photos it was almost comical.

I saw that book too and I know exactly what you mean. I couldn't afford it at the time anyway so it didn't matter.

[John Drake]

It weighs a ton too. Big book.

[autumnleaf]

I agree 100%.
I grew up with all the bond movies.
What were they thinking when they got
David Craig. Just another Steve McQueen, who I was not fond of as an actor.