Craig ruined Bond?

[Gary Seven]

Daniel Craig has ruined Bond a bit for me now.

All the James Bond books and tv montage programmes will have stills and clips from CR. I want to look at pictures and clips of Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan as they are Bond. I don't want to own anything of the ridiculous spectacle of Daniel Craig playing Eon's James Bond.

It's petty, but that's how I feel.

[bjmdds]

So do a host of others G-7. You are not alone.

[Commander 0077]

I haven't thought of that. But, yeah, putting Craig in the collection of other Bonds would blecch it up for me. Just putting him in the same page, it's obvious he isn't Bond material. (apologies for pro-Craigers, they have accepted a guy who doesn't have a hint of classical good looks .... whereas with the other (real) Bonds, they were instantly accepted by an overwhelming majority as having the Bond look. I don't think (historians?) any of the other Bonds had fans going, eew, he doesn't look like Bond at all!

Fer instance, imagine before CR was released and Craig wasn't well known. A Craig lookalike walks into a Vegas casino wearing a white dinner jacket. I would look at the dinner jacket since not many people there wear them. But I wouldn't look twice at the guy wearing it. However, if a Brosnan lookalike walked in (imagining again that no one knew who Brosnan was), outfitted the same, I would say, hm, that guy looks like Bond sort of. At the least, it would be, this guy doesn't look like your average Joe. Same with even Dalton, or Lazenby, and of course Connery with his hairpiece

[English Agent]

Daniel Craig has ruined Bond a bit for me now.

All the James Bond books and tv montage programmes will have stills and clips from CR. I want to look at pictures and clips of Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan as they are Bond. I don't want to own anything of the ridiculous spectacle of Daniel Craig playing Eon's James Bond.

It's petty, but that's how I feel.

It is petty..............but you may change your views in a few years time!!!

[Eye Of The Tiger]

Actually, in my opinion, it is Babs and Mikey who ruined the James Bond franchise, but they used Daniel Craig to help them acomplish the ruination.

If you give a gun to a chimp and he shoots someone you don't blame the chimp.

Of course, Daniel Craig did not have to accept the role. I think deep down he knew that he's not suited to be James Bond? but he gave into the greed and took the role even though he has made it clear in the past that he thinks that Bond is beneath him.

Over the years I'm sure we have all seen some actor like maybe Hugh Jackman, Christian Bale or Clive Owen who we thought might make a good Bond, and I'm sure not one of us would have ever thought "hey, this Daniel Craig would make a good Bond."

So, anyway, Babs and Mikey killed James Bond, but they used Daniel craig as their assassin.

[007]

If you give a gun to a chimp and he shoots someone you don't blame the chimp.

That's a good point.

[bjmdds]

Actually, in my opinion, it is Babs and Mikey who ruined the James Bond franchise, but they used Daniel Craig to help them acomplish the ruination.

If you give a gun to a chimp and he shoots someone you don't blame the chimp.

Of course, Daniel Craig did not have to accept the role. I think deep down he knew that he's not suited to be James Bond? but he gave into the greed and took the role even though he has made it clear in the past that he thinks that Bond is beneath him.

Over the years I'm sure we have all seen some actor like maybe Hugh Jackman, Christian Bale or Clive Owen who we thought might make a good Bond, and I'm sure not one of us would have ever thought "hey, this Daniel Craig would make a good Bond."

So, anyway, Babs and Mikey killed James Bond, but they used Daniel craig as their assassin.

Brosnan was looking forward to his 5th Bond film,but the negotiations got in the way. I wonder if Craig even wanted the role, or just wanted the money, for a change. He asked Spielberg if he would ever hire him again if he took the Bond role. He obviously was not that enthusiastic especially after all of the negative press that took place. Heck,he prefers films like The Invasion, Lara Croft,The Mother, over Bond?

[Eye Of The Tiger]

If you give a gun to a chimp and he shoots someone you don't blame the chimp.

That's a good point.

Yes, and I thought it a very appropriate analogy too.

[The Sweeney]

If you give a gun to a chimp and he shoots someone you don't blame the chimp.

That's a good point.

Yes, and I thought it a very appropriate analogy too.

You guys are talking as though CR and Craig have actually failed worldwide. Sorry to spoil it for you, but quite the opposite has happened.

And my guess is, Bond 22 will be even more successful, both in terms of critical acclaim AND the BO takings - something that failed to happen under Brosnan's tenure.

[The Sweeney]

Heck,he prefers films like The Invasion, Lara Croft,The Mother, over Bond?

Where has he ever said that...?

[stockslivevan]

Heck,he prefers films like The Invasion, Lara Croft,The Mother, over Bond?

Where has he ever said that...?

Never has, just some assumption made by ignorance.

But then again let's just go on his page. I suppose Connery prefers of Zardoz and LGX over Bond. Brosnan prefers After the Sunset, The Lawnmower Man, Dante's Peak... Timothy Dalton? Probably Beautician and the Beast, Looney Tunes. Lazenby? Unknown Hong Kong flicks. Moore? Fire, Ice & Dynamite, yeah he gets a kick outta that.

[Gary Seven]

I wonder if Craig even wanted the role, or just wanted the money, for a change. He asked Spielberg if he would ever hire him again if he took the Bond role. He obviously was not that enthusiastic especially after all of the negative press that took place. Heck,he prefers films like The Invasion, Lara Croft,The Mother, over Bond

He likes doing arty films. Also because he is not a big star he can only get bit parts/TV movie work.

He doesn't like Bond it seems from his interviews, but did it for to earn money and maybe get some better roles, which is not a bad motivation.

[Oddjob]

Craig has ruined Bond for me and a lot of Bond fans I know. He's taken away the magic and fantasy of Bond.

[The Sweeney]

Craig has ruined Bond for me and a lot of Bond fans I know. He's taken away the magic and fantasy of Bond.

Fair enough.

For me and countless others, he's won me over and made me want to be a Bond fan again.

[James]

Craig has ruined Bond for me and a lot of Bond fans I know. He's taken away the magic and fantasy of Bond.

I'd agree with that. Having a plain everyman James Bond does take away the vicarious fantasy element.

[Skywalker]

And my guess is, Bond 22 will be even more successful, both in terms of critical acclaim AND the BO takings - something that failed to happen under Brosnan's tenure.

Inflation adjusted BO takings? Are you predicticting more worldwide admissions for Bond 22?

[The Sweeney]

And my guess is, Bond 22 will be even more successful, both in terms of critical acclaim AND the BO takings - something that failed to happen under Brosnan's tenure.

Inflation adjusted BO takings? Are you predicticting more worldwide admissions for Bond 22?

Absolutely!!

[Eye Of The Tiger]

If you give a gun to a chimp and he shoots someone you don't blame the chimp.

That's a good point.

Yes, and I thought it a very appropriate analogy too.

You guys are talking as though CR and Craig have actually failed worldwide. Sorry to spoil it for you, but quite the opposite has happened.

And my guess is, Bond 22 will be even more successful, both in terms of critical acclaim AND the BO takings - something that failed to happen under Brosnan's tenure.

I will grant you that CR did well at the box-office. However, The Brosnan Bond films did just as well at the box-office and also received critical acclaim.

CR may have had big box-office numbers but that doesn't automatically mean that very many of the people who went to see it left the theater having liked what they saw.

In the case of Casino Royale we hadn't had a Bond film in the last 4 years, so there was more anticipation for a new one than usual. EON did everything they could to hype-up CR, and I don't expect that they will pay as much money this time around on promoting Bond-22? And after the dust settled there are honestly countless people who walked away from Casino Royale very disapointed, and I'm talking about people who went into it with an open mind and wanting to like the film.

I honestly don't see Bond-22 even coming close to putting up the box-office numbers that CR did.

[The Sweeney]

If you give a gun to a chimp and he shoots someone you don't blame the chimp.

That's a good point.

Yes, and I thought it a very appropriate analogy too.

You guys are talking as though CR and Craig have actually failed worldwide. Sorry to spoil it for you, but quite the opposite has happened.

And my guess is, Bond 22 will be even more successful, both in terms of critical acclaim AND the BO takings - something that failed to happen under Brosnan's tenure.

I will grant you that CR did well at the box-office. However, The Brosnan Bond films did just as well at the box-office and also received critical acclaim.

CR may have had big box-office numbers but that doesn't automatically mean that very many of the people who went to see it left the theater having liked what they saw.

In the case of Casino Royale we hadn't had a Bond film in the last 4 years, so there was more anticipation for a new one than usual. EON did everything they could to hype-up CR, and I don't expect that they will pay as much money this time around on promoting Bond-22? And after the dust settled there are honestly countless people who walked away from Casino Royale very disapointed, and I'm talking about people who went into it with an open mind and wanting to like the film.

I honestly don't see Bond-22 even coming close to putting up the box-office numbers that CR did.

I don't recall Brozza's flicks getting the same high critical acclaim as CR, and how did you think people felt after they came out of DAD? Probably the most slagged off film of all-time if you read the other Bond websites. The reviews in general weren't that kind either.

Bond 22 will be bigger than CR. You heard it hear first, folks.....

[stockslivevan]

Financially and critically, the Brosnan films did fine enough to grant the series to continue. GoldenEye has been acclaimed as Brosnan's best Bond film out of the four. It has one of the best action sequences (St Petersburg chase), a nice brawl out we rarely get in the series (007 vs 006) and Pierce Brosnan, while not bringing anything new to the role, was servicable in bringing the many elements of his predecessors, earning the nickname "Greatest Hits Bond" by the fans. This here is what doomed the rest of his films: He was inconsistent. In GoldenEye he had the Connery/Moore/Dalton mannerisms put together in a subtle way. The rest of the films he amplified each version to the point as if he was having a personality disorder. One moment he's angry and furious like Dalton in The World is Not Enough, the next scene he's goofing around like Roger Moore.

This and the series on autopilot is what made his other three films either average (Tomorrow Never Dies) or just plain stupid (Die Another Day).

Let's see the facts: Rotten Tomatoes

GoldenEye
84% Critics, 87% Users

Tomorrow Never Dies
52% Critics, 73% Users

The World is Not Enough
53% Critics, 65% Users

Die Another Day
59% Critics, 55% Users

Ouch! After a great start with GoldenEye, it drops and stays on autopilot.

Casino Royale
94% Critics, 93% Users

Logic dictates that Casino Royale soared and became the best Bond film out of the five among the collective conciousness. You may not like it but at least your input is within the 7% of those who were not pleased, so you are acknowledged.

OPINION: Your own.
FACT: A lot of people liked it.