The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Mazer Rackham]

Wasn't OHMSS the second highest grossing film of 1969? I can't see how that's a flop. TMWTGG's budget was $7 million, grossing$97 million. LTK made $156 million, with a budget of $32 million. How are those flops? I agree that by Bond standards they are certainly sub-par performance wise but overall they are not flat out flops like a lot of people claim.

No EON Bond film has ever lost money (not sure about NSNA or CR67).

Never said they lost money.
By those qualifications CR67 and NSNA were hits as well.
CR67 $10.2m
NSNA $55.4m
Octopussy $67.8

OHMSS was not the 2nd top grossing film of 1969! Not even close! Losing money in a market can be considered a flop, enough for the studio to be concerned about it at any rate.

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1969 Top BO
1Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Fox)* Sep 69 $45.953 m

2 The Love Bug (Disney)* Mar 69 $23.150 m
	
3 Midnight Cowboy (UA) May 69 $20.499 m
	
4. Easy Rider (Colu.) Jul 69 $19.100 m
	
5 Hello Dolly! (Fox) Dec 69 $15.200 m

6 Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice (Colu.) Sep 69 $14.600 m

7 Paint Your Wagon (Para.) Oct 69 $14.500 m
	
8 True Grit (Para.) Jun 69 $14.250 m
	
9 Cactus Flower (Colu.) Dec 69 $11.850 m
	
10 Goodbye, Columbus (Para.) Apr 69 $10.500 m
	
11 On Her Majesty's Secret Service (UA) Dec 69 $9.117 m

[Mazer Rackham]

OP's gross was $187 million, while NSNA's was $160 million, and AVTAK made less than the either. If NSNA is considered a flop, shouldn't the other two apply?

More or less my point. Ishtar made money but is considered a flop.
Those films (CR67, NSNA) are consider by some fans and some in the industry as flops. Go to just about any fan thread for reasons NSNA shouldn't be remade, flop will be there somewhere.

So yes Bond movies can be flops, losing money is another matter. Suck factor is another. A sequel making significantly less than the predecessor can be another. WB has fears Harry Potter 6 will flop because the last book is out.

[stockslivevan]

OHMSS was not the 2nd top grossing film of 1969! Not even close! Losing money in a market can be considered a flop, enough for the studio to be concerned about it at any rate.

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1969 Top BO
1Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Fox)* Sep 69 $45.953 m

2 The Love Bug (Disney)* Mar 69 $23.150 m
	
3 Midnight Cowboy (UA) May 69 $20.499 m
	
4. Easy Rider (Colu.) Jul 69 $19.100 m
	
5 Hello Dolly! (Fox) Dec 69 $15.200 m

6 Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice (Colu.) Sep 69 $14.600 m

7 Paint Your Wagon (Para.) Oct 69 $14.500 m
	
8 True Grit (Para.) Jun 69 $14.250 m
	
9 Cactus Flower (Colu.) Dec 69 $11.850 m
	
10 Goodbye, Columbus (Para.) Apr 69 $10.500 m
	
11 On Her Majesty's Secret Service (UA) Dec 69 $9.117 m

Is that the US or Worldwide results?

[The Sweeney]

I stand by my expectations for QOS BO, several reasons behind it mostly trade secrets.

My expectations stand, but not becasue of the reasons listed above.

Well, we haven't got long to wait now. Come November, you'll either be proved spectacularly correct.....or embarassingly wrong!

[The Sweeney]

Of course..as would the Craig rah-rah-ers here(even though they claim they wouldn't )

If QOS flops dramatically at the BO, do you really think we will be on here saying `Yeah! Told ya so! QOS is a massive success! Yaahh! Boooo! Sucks to you, etc.!' Of course not. If QOS flops, I won't deny it, and if QOS sucks as a film, I'll be the first on here showing my disappointment.

If however, QOS rakes in more money than CR at the BO, it will be very interesting to see your response on here, the biggest flip-flopper of all. Maybe you'll suddenly become a massive fan of Craig again, and go and see the film 11 TIMES at the cinema like you did with CR.....

[katied]

however, QOS rakes in more money than CR at the BO, it will be very interesting to see your response on here, the biggest flip-flopper of all. Maybe you'll suddenly become a massive fan of Craig again, and go and see the film 11 TIMES at the cinema like you did with CR.....

change the channel

[The Sweeney]

however, QOS rakes in more money than CR at the BO, it will be very interesting to see your response on here, the biggest flip-flopper of all. Maybe you'll suddenly become a massive fan of Craig again, and go and see the film 11 TIMES at the cinema like you did with CR.....

change the channel

I'd rather not. It's much more fun picking on you instead....

[katied]

I'd rather not. It's much more fun picking on you instead....

I guess you don't mind that you sound like a broken record when you do.Well, it's your funeral.

[stockslivevan]

You know, I'm through with her BS. Her hating Craig is just an odd way for her to spite MI6 just because the mods wouldn't do her petty demands such as banning certain members. Let's just ignore that troll.

[katied]

You know, I'm through with her BS. Her hating Craig is just an odd way for her to spite MI6 just because the mods wouldn't do her petty demands such as banning certain members. Let's just ignore that troll.

LOL you tried ignoring me and...epic fail

[The Sweeney]

You know, I'm through with her BS. Her hating Craig is just an odd way for her to spite MI6 just because the mods wouldn't do her petty demands such as banning certain members. Let's just ignore that troll.

I agree. She is a troll of the highest order, and I'm suprised she is still on here and not been banned. She gives the decent folk on here, who have genuine issues about Craig a bad name.

[stockslivevan]

You know, I'm through with her BS. Her hating Craig is just an odd way for her to spite MI6 just because the mods wouldn't do her petty demands such as banning certain members. Let's just ignore that troll.

I agree. She is a troll of the highest order, and I'm suprised she is still on here and not been banned.

DCINBers like to be easy on anti-Craigers, if she were a pro-Craig and acted like this to the others, she would have been gone a LONG time ago. Just my opinion.

Anyway, let's get back to a more interesting topic given that this is a James Bond site... Bond topics, particularly QOS.

[katied]

I agree. She is a troll of the highest order, and I'm suprised she is still on here and not been banned. She gives the decent folk on here, who have genuine issues about Craig a bad name.

Like I said, at least I'm not a broken record.Whatever. Maybe we need to have a special section just for the pro-craigs to fanboy about POS

[stockslivevan]

My predictions for QOS:

Domestic: $175 million (maybe less)
International: $500 million (maybe more)

[Skywalker]

DCINBers like to be easy on anti-Craigers, if she were a pro-Craig and acted like this to the others, she would have been gone a LONG time ago. Just my opinion.

Fair comment.

[Mazer Rackham]

I stand by my expectations for QOS BO, several reasons behind it mostly trade secrets.

My expectations stand, but not becasue of the reasons listed above.

Well, we haven't got long to wait now. Come November, you'll either be proved spectacularly correct.....or embarassingly wrong!

Not spectacular either way, if you look at my actual prediction.
My expectation is born from a longer view of the marketplace and trends.

Sony is concerned enough to shuffle Quark around and give away free tickets. They don't see the US market as a particular strength and probably have a team a guys telling the same thing I am for the same reasons. World markets are sooo fickle, neighboring tensions can kill a other wise decent money maker.

OHMSS was not the 2nd top grossing film of 1969! Not even close! Losing money in a market can be considered a flop, enough for the studio to be concerned about it at any rate.

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1969 Top BO
1Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Fox)* Sep 69 $45.953 m

2 The Love Bug (Disney)* Mar 69 $23.150 m
	
3 Midnight Cowboy (UA) May 69 $20.499 m
	
4. Easy Rider (Colu.) Jul 69 $19.100 m
	
5 Hello Dolly! (Fox) Dec 69 $15.200 m

6 Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice (Colu.) Sep 69 $14.600 m

7 Paint Your Wagon (Para.) Oct 69 $14.500 m
	
8 True Grit (Para.) Jun 69 $14.250 m
	
9 Cactus Flower (Colu.) Dec 69 $11.850 m
	
10 Goodbye, Columbus (Para.) Apr 69 $10.500 m
	
11 On Her Majesty's Secret Service (UA) Dec 69 $9.117 m

Is that the US or Worldwide results?

Yes, you are right. That's the US market. If it's not in our database I'll go to the book archives later.
Still wouldn't matter Dec 69 release isn't going to take #2
OHMSS did $82,000,000 World Wide, taking big dip over previous three and well below DAF and LALD.

You need to be aware that part of the rational behind these films being disappointments is the high expectations and number of people in the profit pool. Also the financial backers and theater owners who take their cut first.
Cubby worked his ass off to keep Bond afloat during the lean years.

Try looking beyond money totals, inflation helps to make them useless.

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tickets sold
OHMSS 58.6m
Previous movie 81.7m 
Next movie 70.3m

TMWGG 51.6m
Previous movie 90m
Next movie 83.1m

LTK 39.1m
Previous movie 48.9m
Next movie 81.2m

Anytime there is variation people panic. Studios recast and retool.

[Captain Nash]

I'm confident that QOS will be a similar sized hit for EON after the mega success of CR. There is an already 'new' audience, plus the benefit of the diehard Bond fans. Is it just me or are they growing bigger and bigger everyday. And of course not all of them are Craig fans granted.
But Bond is still a draw card at the cinema, it's still and event. Like Indy or Star Wars. People will go and see QOS on the curiousity factor alone.
Just before finish this post, I took my son to see Star Wars the clone wars last weekend. Just before we entered the cinema my wife stopped me to ask me if I'd missed something. Looking puzzled she pointed to a massive 20' + long poster for QOS that I'd missed.
Rest assured I've booked myself in for an eye test shortly.

[Kristatos]

My predictions for QOS:

Domestic: $175 million (maybe less)
International: $500 million (maybe more)

Shouldn't this be on the official prediction thread?

[Mazer Rackham]

I'm confident that QOS will be a similar sized hit for EON after the mega success of CR. There is an already 'new' audience, plus the benefit of the diehard Bond fans. Is it just me or are they growing bigger and bigger everyday. And of course not all of them are Craig fans granted.
But Bond is still a draw card at the cinema, it's still and event. Like Indy or Star Wars. People will go and see QOS on the curiousity factor alone.

Pride goes before destruction.
By this "reasoning" absolutely any jagoff can be cast as Bond.
Angelina Jolie
Morgan Freeman
Pauly Shore
Matt Damon

Just before finish this post, I took my son to see Star Wars the clone wars last weekend. Just before we entered the cinema my wife stopped me to ask me if I'd missed something. Looking puzzled she pointed to a massive 20' + long poster for QOS that I'd missed.
Rest assured I've booked myself in for an eye test shortly.

We knew you needed your eyes looked at long before this mate

This doesn't say a lot for the PR team they got on this, if a active fervent fan misses the 20' poster. How many others not as involved with Craig dismissed it just as handily?

[carl stromberg]

My predictions for QOS:

Domestic: $175 million (maybe less)
International: $500 million (maybe more)

Shouldn't this be on the official prediction thread?

That's what I was going to say!!!! It's in the Daniel Craig as Bond section.