What was missing from Casino Royale?

Post by **carl stromberg** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:30 pm

Casino Royale is considered to be a reboot, a retcon, a reimagined Bond, a fresh start, Bond 2.0 and so forth. It was a complete change from the old.

What was missing from Casino Royale and why was it not really a "Bond film?"

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:13 am

Apart from the overly discussed Bond from the naysayers, what really was missing?
We all know you don't think that Craig was suave and charming enough, he's too ugly for some and too short aswell. But none of these things are a problem for me, as I saw no problem with Craig in CR. I know some people also missed the absence of Moneypenny and Q, but to tell the truth, I like the character of Villiers and Q wasn't required. Since Desmond Llewelyn is sadly no longer with us, I can live without Q for a little while. How can you replace Q?
The only complaint I had was the sinking building in the finale. It just wasn't my cup of tea. And yes even the nail in the shoulder being ripped out irked me, but not alot.
Other than that, CR breezes into my top 10 Bond films.

Count_Lippe · Post by **Count_Lippe** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:06 pm

Casino Royale to me would've been much better without the prologue, just a normal Bond film with a new and somewhat different 007.

Some genuine romance would have been very nice in this film, not this flat so-called love story that it had.

I don't like the action sequences on the construction site and the airport, they were not exactly Bondian. A car chase would have been much better, not just the Aston Martin spinning around.

The villian should have been more of the classic type, Goldfinger, Largo, Drax etc.

The drama scenes should have been more gripping, both the casino scenes and the torture scene were surprisingly dull.

I don't mind no Q and Moneypenny, but a new male M would have been interesting.

These are some of the things that would have made the film better I think

Post by **Kristatos** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:56 pm

What was missing was a convincing character arc for Bond. As Skywalker has pointed out, he starts out in the PCS as something like the Bond we all know and love, spends the rest of the film as Vin Diesel in XXX, then mysteriously turns back into Bond for the final scene. There was the odd scene along the way such as him trying on the tux and giving a "hey, this looks pretty good" expression in the mirror, but no real sense of progress from rookie Bond to "real Bond". I know what the filmmakers were trying to do, but in my opinion, they failed, and saying "ah, but wait and see what happens in Bond 22" is a cop-out.

Post by **Skywalker** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:54 pm

Count_Lippe wrote:

I consider Eva Green to be one hot Bond girl. It's a shame her on-screen chemistry was so lacking with DC.

Post by **Skywalker** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:12 pm

Kristatos wrote:What was missing was a convincing character arc for Bond. As Skywalker has pointed out, he starts out in the PCS as something like the Bond we all know and love, spends the rest of the film as Vin Diesel in XXX, then mysteriously turns back into Bond for the final scene. There was the odd scene along the way such as him trying on the tux and giving a "hey, this looks pretty good" expression in the mirror, but no real sense of progress from rookie Bond to "real Bond". I know what the filmmakers were trying to do, but in my opinion, they failed, and saying "ah, but wait and see what happens in Bond 22" is a cop-out.

I'm not simply replying because you gave reference to me, but I couldn't agree more with what you said.

Count_Lippe · Post by **Count_Lippe** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:08 am

Skywalker wrote: I consider Eva Green to be one hot Bond girl. It's a shame her on-screen chemistry was so lacking with DC.

She is beautiful!

Eva and Owen would have looked great together!

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:35 am

Eva Green's bare boobs...

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:22 am

stockslivevan wrote:Eva Green's bare boobs...

I have to agree, I mean surely we can all agree on that one.

Post by **Kristatos** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:27 pm

Captain Nash wrote:
stockslivevan wrote:Eva Green's bare boobs...

I have to agree, I mean surely we can all agree on that one.

We have the Internet for that

Does anyone remember the stories that DAD was going to be the first Bond film to feature bare boobs? Rosamund Pike's to be exact. Hey, EON, don't make promises you don't intend to keep

Post by **James** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:40 pm

carl stromberg wrote:Casino Royale is considered to be a reboot, a retcon, a reimagined Bond, a fresh start, Bond 2.0 and so forth. It was a complete change from the old.

What was missing from Casino Royale and why was it not really a "Bond film?"

James Bond was missing. With all due respect to Daniel Craig I walk past people in the street everyday who are better looking and taller than him. This is supposed to be James Bond we're talking about.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:42 pm

James wrote:
carl stromberg wrote:Casino Royale is considered to be a reboot, a retcon, a reimagined Bond, a fresh start, Bond 2.0 and so forth. It was a complete change from the old.

What was missing from Casino Royale and why was it not really a "Bond film?"

James Bond was missing. With all due respect to Daniel Craig I walk past people in the street everyday who are better looking and taller than him. This is supposed to be James Bond we're talking about.

I have the strangest sense of deja-vu.

Post by **James** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:49 pm

James Bond was missing. With all due respect to Daniel Craig I walk past people in the street everyday who are better looking and taller than him. This is supposed to be James Bond we're talking about.

Deja-vu again

Jedi007 · Post by **Jedi007** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:55 am

James Bond was missing. With all due respect to Daniel Craig I walk past people in the street everyday who are better looking and taller than him. This is supposed to be James Bond we're talking about.

Another Deja-vu

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:28 am

What was missing, well all the corny one liners "Saved by the bell."
Unbelievable situations, invisible cars, space lasers, surfing an ice wave.
A smug actor playing Bond. That's about it for now.

Post by **Kristatos** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:34 pm

Captain Nash wrote:What was missing, well all the corny one liners "Saved by the bell."
Unbelievable situations, invisible cars, space lasers, surfing an ice wave.
A smug actor playing Bond. That's about it for now.

Yes, because there have only ever been two Bond films, CR and DAD, right?

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:58 pm

Kristatos wrote:
Captain Nash wrote:What was missing, well all the corny one liners "Saved by the bell."
Unbelievable situations, invisible cars, space lasers, surfing an ice wave.
A smug actor playing Bond. That's about it for now.
Yes, because there have only ever been two Bond films, CR and DAD, right?

Dear me, you clearly don't know your Bond Kristatos.
There are 21 official films in the series. And two un-official films (CR'67 and NSNA)
If it's okay to bag CR, then surely it's fine to have a go at the other films. DAD for me was the low point of the series thus far, which is why I used it in my post. Okay?

Commander 0077 · Post by **Commander 0077** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:57 am

Captain Nash wrote:What was missing, well all the corny one liners "Saved by the bell."
Unbelievable situations, invisible cars, space lasers, surfing an ice wave.
A smug actor playing Bond. That's about it for now.

Smug is better than cheesy in the Bond menu.

Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:16 pm

I though the saved by the bell remark was funny.

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