Should the next James Bond film be the last?

A place to discuss the latest in Bond News.
Post Reply
User avatar
Blowfeld
Ministry of Defence
Ministry of Defence
Posts: 3195
Joined: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:03 pm
Favorite Bond Movie: Goldfinger
For Your Eyes only
The Living Daylights
Location: the world

Should the next James Bond film be the last?

Post by Blowfeld »

Interesting piece from Den of Geek (please give them a visit).
David Jones

With production set to start on Daniel Craig's next James Bond outing soon, David wonders if it's time for 007 to hang up his tuxedo for good...

Published on Oct 5, 2011

“When you can’t tell your friends from your enemies, it’s time to go”
- M to Bond, Quantum of Solace

Last year, it seemed bland financial difficulties would spell the end for the man many had tried to shoot, stab, drown, torture and generally just beat up. Thankfully, even boring old bankruptcy has failed, as James Bond will be back in 2012, fifty years since the first film, and sixty since the first book.

But after nearly dying out with a whimper, shouldn’t the producers end the Bond series on their own terms?

We are now in the third serious gap we’ve had between Bond films in less than twenty five years. Between 1989 and 1995, there was no new movie, as complicated legal wrangling caused there to be a pause which seemed to be a definite full stop. At the time, many people thought there was no longer a place for 007 on the cinema screen, that he would – if anything – go to cable television, or else die altogether.

Fortunately, that never came to pass, and there have been six big-screen outings since, the latest of which was 2008’s much derided Quantum Of Solace. Had that been the last film, however, fans would be left without any solace at all. The most successful fictional character of the 20th century would have petered out with a decidedly uncharacteristic movie, which deliberately avoided the tropes we had come to expect.

There has been much talk over the last few years about Daniel Craig’s suitability for the role, and also the Jason Bourne films’ influence on the last two entries (in the early days, it was Bond influencing other movies, not vice versa), so there’s no need to discuss those here.

My point is that after cheating fate on a good few occasions, shouldn’t the Broccolis call it quits now? Sony will be releasing the next one in 2012, with another apparently following in 2014. So why don’t they make these movies typical, old-school 007, show how Craig’s Bond becomes the one we know, and then end the series for good?

The Craig films are reboots, not prequels (case in point: Bond meets CIA agent Felix Leiter for the first time twice, once in 1962’s Dr No, and again in 2006’s Casino Royale), so the writers don’t necessarily have to match it up with what we know already, in the same way as the newer Star Wars films did.

Having said that, we know that actress Naomie Harris will be playing Moneypenny (the first time a black woman has portrayed the role), and that Michael Sheen may star as Blofeld, so perhaps things will dovetail after all. Also, this will be Judi Dench’s final Bond film, so if the series does continue, then a new M – a fourth – will be required.

Perhaps a new M will come in and tell Bond that he is basically a thug, and must act suave to dupe a potential enemy into believing he isn’t tough. Bond’s manner would then become smoother than silk, as we know him to be.

One last hurrah would be great to see. But if it ever happened – and one day, it surely must – how could you end a franchise which has been thrilling audiences for half a century?

Well I, for one, would like to see Bond die.

He came closer than ever in 1967’s You Only Live Twice, when they faked his death as a ploy to convince the bad guys that he was dead, so they would stop trying to kill him. But to see it for real, though, wouldn’t that be incredibly poignant? To have him sacrifice himself, to save the day only to slowly bleed to death before the credits roll, a caption reading James Bond Will Not Return sliding across the screen before fading to black?

Perhaps they could adapt one of the non-Fleming novels. John Gardner wrote more than Fleming, and most are pretty decent. Gardner was arguably a better writer than Fleming, but one of the flaws of his books (published between 1981 and 1996) was that there would always be someone who would betray Bond, and they were usually the female fatales.

One of the books which could work as a finale would be Nobody Lives Forever, from 1986, as SPECTRE puts a price on Bond’s head and every contract killer in Europe is consequently out to get him. 1998’s High Time To Kill, by Raymond Benson, is set on Kangchenjunga, the third highest mountain in the world, and pits Bond against an old rival from Oxford.

And as a new series of Bond novels (beginning with Jeffrey Deaver’s Carte Blanche earlier this year) has just begun, perhaps it is time for books to carry the baton, if the series is indeed retired.

If it isn’t, well, Bond might be about to get into the same trouble as he did in the late eighties, when movies like Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Indiana Jones and Batman threatened to put him in the shade.

After alll, in the next couple of years, two popular literary characters are about to leap onto the screen.

Jason Statham will be playing the eponymous role as the criminal Parker, based on Richard Stark’s series of novels, alongside Jenifer Lopez, in 2012. Mel Gibson played the (slightly altered) role in 1999’s Payback, and Lee Marvin portrayed him before that.

Then, in 2013, Tom Cruise will be seen as Jack Reacher in One Shot (for which he has received a momentous amount of criticism due to their differing heights), based on one of the best-selling books by Lee Child. While the movie is seen with skepticism, due to the involvement of Cruise, the books have always sold by the bucket load.

As far as suspense fiction goes, Jack Reacher is the elephant in the room: no writer – new or old – can ignore him, they just have to create an alternative and hope for the best, much how rival film studios reacted to Bond’s success in the 60s.

So, should the Bond series avoid the risk of getting into more dire straits and end with this next film? Or should it go on, as nobody does it better? Leave your own thoughts on this in the comments...
Image
"Those were the days when we still associated Bond with suave, old school actors such as Sean Connery and Roger Moore,"
"Daniel didn't have a hint of suave about him," - Patsy Palmer
User avatar
Kristatos
OO Moderator
OO Moderator
Posts: 13092
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:26 pm
Location: St. Cyril's

Re: Should the next James Bond film be the last?

Post by Kristatos »

Critics have been asking that question for about 20 years now. But audiences seem to have other ideas.
"He's the one that doesn't smile" - Queen Elizabeth II on Daniel Craig
User avatar
Dr. No
006
Posts: 3453
Joined: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:28 pm
Favorite Bond Movie: Dr. No
Favorite Movies: Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade
SpiderMan 2
Empire Strikes Back
Shawshank Redemption
Location: Crab Key

Re: Should the next James Bond film be the last?

Post by Dr. No »

Kristatos wrote:Critics have been asking that question for about 20 years now. But audiences seem to have other ideas.
EVeyrone says this and theya re always wrong or so I used to think I don't know if Craig's Spy can go on for var long the fad he was part of is long gone, where is Jason Bourne? Where is 24? We move on. Bond was always cool and always relevant before recently that is.

I do get this and why this guy thinks Bond makers should pick how they go out, someday bond will fail and not be back, better to pick the movie than have it be a LTK or QOS.
Image
Chief of Staff, 007's gone round the bend. Says someone's been trying to feed him a poisoned banana. Fellow's lost his nerve. Been in the hospital too long. Better call him home.
katied

Re: Should the next James Bond film be the last?

Post by katied »

If Craig is going to continue being Bond...



Hell yes!! lol.
User avatar
FormerBondFan
008
Posts: 6325
Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:24 am
Favorite Bond Movie: The Dark Knight Trilogy, Mission: Impossible, Kingsman: The Secret Service and The November Man or any upcoming actioners starring Pierce Brosnan (no, it's not James Bond which is good since it will help him expand his reputation as an actor especially in the action realm)
Favorite Movies: Star Wars
Indiana Jones
Star Trek
The Dark Knight Trilogy
Harry Potter
Middle-Earth
The Matrix
Mission: Impossible
The Mummy
Jurassic Park
Godzilla
Location: Southern CA

Re: Should the next James Bond film be the last?

Post by FormerBondFan »

I hope DC's Bond 23 will be the final nail in the coffin.
Image
MichaelZWilliamson
Lieutenant
Posts: 175
Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:00 pm
Favorite Bond Movie: Dr No, From Russia With Love
Location: In a well-equipped suburban bunker.
Contact:

Re: Should the next James Bond film be the last?

Post by MichaelZWilliamson »

There have been bad Bond erae before--MR, VtaK, OP all sucked pretty badly.

And trust me, production companies will rape a corpse as long as there's a net gain from doing so. It's not as if Brocolli has other projects that will suffer by association.
Recent work from Michael Z. Williamson
BATTLE LUNA (co-author), Baen Books, Jul 2020
FREEHOLD: DEFIANCE (editor), Baen Books, May 2021
THAT WAS NOW, THIS IS THEN, Baen Books, Dec 2021

http://www.MichaelZWilliamson.com
User avatar
Mazer Rackham
Q
Posts: 1569
Joined: Tue May 08, 2007 8:50 pm
Favorite Bond Movie: Thunderball
From Russia with love
Location: Eros

Re: Should the next James Bond film be the last?

Post by Mazer Rackham »

Broccoli has two or three projects she is supposed to be working on.. whatever happened to those I wonder.

All of this talk about EON calling it quits ignores they only half owners of the Bond franchise, so as long as Bond is able to draw a crowed of any size Hollywood will keep making them.
"That f**king truck driver!" Ian Fleming
Post Reply