Octopussy VS Never Say Never Again

[The Sweeney]

OP>NSNA by a mile. NSNA NEVER should have been made.

For once we are in agreement, buddy.....

[bjmdds]

NSNA was more of a Craig-like Bond film than a true Bond film. Hideously bad film with Max Von Sydow a JOKE as Blofeld.

[katied]

Octopussy. Though,and I think I've told this story before, I wouldn't watch it back in the day, since the girlfriend of a member of Duran Duran(who I liked at the time) has a bit part in the movie(in the auction scene).

[Powder Puff]

Never Say Never Again is one of the campest films ever made. It gets even camper as the years pass. I love it.

[stockslivevan]

OP>NSNA by a mile. NSNA NEVER should have been made.

d**n straight. DAF the true swan song for Connery.

NSNA was more of a Craig-like Bond film than a true Bond film.

What? Please. NSNA is dull and mediocre, CR is fantastic flick with style and substance going for it.

[The Sweeney]

NSNA was more of a Craig-like Bond film than a true Bond film.

Way off the mark there BJ. NSNA is nothing remotely like a Craig Bond film, whatever your thoughts of CR and QoS are.
The comparison is not accurate at all.

[bjmdds]

Neither CR nor QOS nor NSNA are true Bond films......right on target good buddy.

[FormerBondFan]

Neither CR nor QOS nor NSNA are true Bond films......right on target good buddy.

What's wrong with NSNA bj?

[stockslivevan]

Neither CR nor QOS nor NSNA are true Bond films......right on target good buddy.

CR and QOS are true Bond films, just as much as the previous twenty. Maybe they aren't to you, but that doesn't make it so.

[Captain Nash]

Neither CR nor QOS nor NSNA are true Bond films......right on target good buddy.

CR and QOS are true Bond films, just as much as the previous twenty. Maybe they aren't to you, but that doesn't make it so.

You should know by now not to try and have a logical or sensible debate with bj so far as ANYTHING that involves Daniel Craig is concerned Stocks.
(Nice to see you btw)
What he fails to forget is that as you say, CR and QOS are part of the Bond series. FACT.
It is he who chooses not to include them. Though many Bond fans and moviegoers would disagree with him.

[The Sweeney]

Neither CR nor QOS nor NSNA are true Bond films......right on target good buddy.

I hate the Brozza films probably more than you hate Craig's films, but even I can acknowledge they are part of the franchise, the same way CR and QoS are,

NSNA is not part of the franchise. So it is not a true Bond film.

[carl stromberg]

Neither CR nor QOS nor NSNA are true Bond films......right on target good buddy.

I hate the Brozza films probably more than you hate Craig's films, but even I can acknowledge they are part of the franchise, the same way CR and QoS are,

NSNA is not part of the franchise. So it is not a true Bond film.

The strange thing about CR and QOs is that they are billed as Bond 21 and Bond 21 yet they are also billed as a rebooted Bond series by their fans and Eon, as a fresh start away from the Cubby Bond series. That's why I can't really accept them as Bond 21 and Bond 22. Perhaps if a more normal Bond film was made with Craig that loosly followed on from the Connery-Moore-Brosnan timeline then I could regard the Craig Bonds as belonging to the Cubby series, which is the classic Bond series.

NSNA seems much more like a Cubby Bond than the Craig series. Like CR and QOS it did not have the gunbarrel and James Bond music as it was rebel film. But it is still Bondian and I thought it was an interesting twist on Bond with the Q budget cuts etc. Stocksilvian's favourite actor Edward Fox was a great M. It was also camp as Christmas.

Would the Craig fans have loved Casino Royale if it had been released as a rebel Bond film at the same time as an official Brosnan?

I don't think BJ is a "looney" as Nash suggested for believing CR and QOs were not Bond films. BJ is expressing a sensible mainstream opinion.

[stockslivevan]

The strange thing about CR and QOs is that they are billed as Bond 21 and Bond 21 yet they are also billed as a rebooted Bond series by their fans and Eon, as a fresh start away from the Cubby Bond series.

I think them being billed as such is like a production code number and that it's EON's way of saying that despite being a reboot they still acknowledge the twenty films that came before and will never write them off completely. Fans here say that CR's reboot "trashes" the previous twenty films, I don't see that at all. CR makes a better celebration of Bond films than DAD's tacky attempt.

Would the Craig fans have loved Casino Royale if it had been released as a rebel Bond film at the same time as an official Brosnan?

Most likely, if Brosnan's was terrible. Had NSNA been a much better film I would back it.

[007]

Stocksilvian's favourite actor Edward Fox was a great M.

Fox knew Ian Fleming in real life. I'd be interested to know what his thoughts on Daniel Craig are.

[stockslivevan]

Not as classy as Roger Moore's that's for sure.

[oscartheman]

Not as classy as Roger Moore's that's for sure.

Classy or toady who takes it?Moore come off as desperate for publicity and eager to get he threw his own fans under the bus.

[stockslivevan]

So you don't think he likes Craig as Bond?

[Skywalker]

So you don't think he likes Craig as Bond?

I don't think Sir Rog would ever discredit DC in public even if he wasn't too keen on him. In the interviews I've seen, Moore praised DC when Casino Royale came out, but was more reserved when the hideous QOS was released.

[bjmdds]

Neither CR nor QOS nor NSNA are true Bond films......right on target good buddy.

I hate the Brozza films probably more than you hate Craig's films, but even I can acknowledge they are part of the franchise, the same way CR and QoS are,

NSNA is not part of the franchise. So it is not a true Bond film.

The strange thing about CR and QOs is that they are billed as Bond 21 and Bond 21 yet they are also billed as a rebooted Bond series by their fans and Eon, as a fresh start away from the Cubby Bond series. That's why I can't really accept them as Bond 21 and Bond 22. Perhaps if a more normal Bond film was made with Craig that loosly followed on from the Connery-Moore-Brosnan timeline then I could regard the Craig Bonds as belonging to the Cubby series, which is the classic Bond series.

NSNA seems much more like a Cubby Bond than the Craig series. Like CR and QOS it did not have the gunbarrel and James Bond music as it was rebel film. But it is still Bondian and I thought it was an interesting twist on Bond with the Q budget cuts etc. Stocksilvian's favourite actor Edward Fox was a great M. It was also camp as Christmas.

Would the Craig fans have loved Casino Royale if it had been released as a rebel Bond film at the same time as an official Brosnan?

I don't think BJ is a "looney" as Nash suggested for believing CR and QOs were not Bond films. BJ is expressing a sensible mainstream opinion.

Irrelevant criticism from some is meaningless Carl. CR-egg's run as Bond will go down in Bond infamy.

[The Sweeney]

Stocksilvian's favourite actor Edward Fox was a great M.

Fox knew Ian Fleming in real life. I'd be interested to know what his thoughts on Daniel Craig are.