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The Sweeney wrote:As for BO predictions, it looks like my predictions for Skyfall are still right on track - biggest Bond film in years (adjusted for inflation too).
You might as well have someone like Marty as Bond once DC retires.

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Like you said, Bond sells not the actor.
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If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is. There's no such thing as a "perfect Bond film" as all the critics seem to be calling Skyfall. As I said before, I don't go by what overpaid film critics say, I go by my own judgement. And since Quantum Of Solace was such a horrible mess, you can bet that EON is going to market Skyfall as the greatest Bond film ever in order to convince all the skeptical people to see it. Who knows how many of these critics are being paid off. It works the same way in gaming. There's quite a few biased reviewers, or there's developers that pay reviewers to give good scores. Professional reviewers hype up and give perfect scores to games, only for people to be disappointed after they've played them.

So when it comes to Skyfall reviews, let's just see what the general public has to say. I know I've read numerous negative online reviews for Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace where people would say they fell for the hype. I just hope many people who have been burned by the previous two films will get wise and not fall for the hype, because it seems that there's people who complain but then continue to go see the next film with the glimmer of hope that it might be better than the last one.
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I read Daniel Craig has signed on for two further films after Skyfarce. Is it possible considering their age that Broccoli and Wilson will call it a day with making more movies?
25 films would be a milestone to end on. Considering their casting choices and handling of the series since 2002 it would never surprise me.
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It's ridiculous comments like this one, courtesy of an IMDb Craig fanatic, that convinces me more and more that most of the people brought in with the reboot are young punks that really didn't care for James Bond before. Then for God sake just go and watch something else that's more suitable to your tastes, instead of enforcing all these changes on Bond. The Bond films had their own unique elements and qualities that made it so different and fun compared to other spy films. It's what made James Bond popular all over the world, and inspired various films and TV shows. Even Perfect Dark for the Nintendo 64 is inspired by Bond. Why would you want to destroy such a legacy?

But as Napoleon Solo mentioned, there are many fans that want the Bond films to be grand scale Gone With The Wind type of epics, that win numerous awards. They scorn at the idea of Bond just being fun escapist entertainment, and will look at fans who prefer the classic films, especially the Roger Moore fans, as uncultured fools with no appreciation for artistic creativity.

Now I'm not saying all Craig fans are like that. There are open-minded Craig fans, such as Sweeney, who see the faults in things like tinkering or removing traditional Bond elements, and who don't agree with every decision the producers make. But there are quite a few new fans that don't care or understand what made Bond so popular in the first place. And as I said before, because the fan base has been split in two, the producers are going to have a very difficult time with pleasing both audiences. But by the looks of it, It seems they rather just cater to the new audience than the old one.
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This feels like 2006 again. I complained about the reboot and Craig's casting for Casino Roylale and complained on some of the Bond forums. When the film came out everyone said it was a masterpiece and I thought I might be wrong. But when I saw Casino Royale it was like a bland Cannon Films action film with a few emotional scenes thrown in. Daniel Craig was bland, charmless, musclebound, extremely irritating and had the wrong look for Bond. Skyfall will be the same.

I feel like those people in the film They Live who had special glasses which showed aliens were ruling the world. I'm obviously seeing a different Daniel Craig and different Daniel Craig films to many of the critics and the Bond fans who love Craig.

I can see that Daniel Craig is the opposite of what James Bond is supposed to be. That his James Bond films are overrated pretentious action films created by poncey writers and directors who are trying to be clever playing around with the traditional Bond formula, insulting those people who adore old style Bond series.

As Saint 007 said maybe the producers want a new audience and do not care about simple people like me who liked the pre-Craig Bond films.
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I posted this in another thread, but thought it worth duplicating....

This is very encouraging from James Bond 007 Magazine -

It's my contention that the tone of a Bond film is the hardest thing to get right - too flippant (à la Moonraker) and you lose all sense of reality; too serious (à la Quantum of Solace) and the glamour evaporates, leaving you with nothing more than a hollow series of action sequences; equally fatally, if you attempt but fail to balance humour and seriousness, you risk a fiasco like the irredeemably awful Die Another Day. It's therefore to Mendes' credit that he gets the tone and tenor of Skyfall spot on; this is a Bond film which provides some outrageous spectacle, as well as incorporating some bizarre almost surreal touches which would be at home in a Fleming novel, as well as some killer one-liners reminiscent of the Connery era at its best. However, this is also a film which maintains an admirable seriousness of intent, most notably in its determination for its characters to have three dimensions, rather than act as bland ciphers or clothes horses. Skyfall never becomes too light-hearted but, equally, the joyless earnestness that plagued Quantum of Solace has been banished. It might sound like a contradiction in terms, but perhaps the best way I can characterise Skyfall is to call it a 'serious romp'!
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Skyfall is awful and Craig is not Bond. I can tell everyone that and I have not even seen the movie. Vive La Resistance, :cheers:
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According to Sweeney's sources Bond 23 will open as high as Twilight...........NOT :!:
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The Sweeney wrote:I posted this in another thread, but thought it worth duplicating....

This is very encouraging from James Bond 007 Magazine -

It's my contention that the tone of a Bond film is the hardest thing to get right - too flippant (à la Moonraker) and you lose all sense of reality; too serious (à la Quantum of Solace) and the glamour evaporates, leaving you with nothing more than a hollow series of action sequences; equally fatally, if you attempt but fail to balance humour and seriousness, you risk a fiasco like the irredeemably awful Die Another Day. It's therefore to Mendes' credit that he gets the tone and tenor of Skyfall spot on; this is a Bond film which provides some outrageous spectacle, as well as incorporating some bizarre almost surreal touches which would be at home in a Fleming novel, as well as some killer one-liners reminiscent of the Connery era at its best. However, this is also a film which maintains an admirable seriousness of intent, most notably in its determination for its characters to have three dimensions, rather than act as bland ciphers or clothes horses. Skyfall never becomes too light-hearted but, equally, the joyless earnestness that plagued Quantum of Solace has been banished. It might sound like a contradiction in terms, but perhaps the best way I can characterise Skyfall is to call it a 'serious romp'!
See I don't get the odd double standards. Alien to Bond, bizarre, surreal, serious romp.
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bjmdds wrote:According to Sweeney's sources Bond 23 will open as high as Twilight...........NOT :!:
Let's wait and see. Not long now.....
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Dr. No wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:I posted this in another thread, but thought it worth duplicating....

This is very encouraging from James Bond 007 Magazine -

It's my contention that the tone of a Bond film is the hardest thing to get right - too flippant (à la Moonraker) and you lose all sense of reality; too serious (à la Quantum of Solace) and the glamour evaporates, leaving you with nothing more than a hollow series of action sequences; equally fatally, if you attempt but fail to balance humour and seriousness, you risk a fiasco like the irredeemably awful Die Another Day. It's therefore to Mendes' credit that he gets the tone and tenor of Skyfall spot on; this is a Bond film which provides some outrageous spectacle, as well as incorporating some bizarre almost surreal touches which would be at home in a Fleming novel, as well as some killer one-liners reminiscent of the Connery era at its best. However, this is also a film which maintains an admirable seriousness of intent, most notably in its determination for its characters to have three dimensions, rather than act as bland ciphers or clothes horses. Skyfall never becomes too light-hearted but, equally, the joyless earnestness that plagued Quantum of Solace has been banished. It might sound like a contradiction in terms, but perhaps the best way I can characterise Skyfall is to call it a 'serious romp'!
See I don't get the odd double standards. Alien to Bond, bizarre, surreal, serious romp.
I think this is exactly why it is getting rave reviews. Mendes has somehow managed the impossible of combining all these elements into a film where it actually works. Heaven knows that EON have been trying for years to do this successfully. Looks like now they have finally managed to do just that.

If Graham Rye thinks Skyfall is 10/10 (not forgetting he gave QoS 1/10) then I really think this film will be something special.

After 14 reviews, and Skyfall is still on 100% on Rotten Tomatoes....... :shock:
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Mendes as an action film director? Keep dreaming. "Twilight fans in Vancouver will get an exclusive opportunity to watch a live stream of the Nov. 12 world premiere of "Twilight: Breaking Dawn Part II" at the Nokia Theatre in Los Angeles -- if they win a contest. They'll scream and shriek as Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart walk the red carpet for the first time since they got back together." November 12 2012 Bond 23 gets buried in the press in the USA by Twilight. Bond 23 gets 3 days here. Sweeney believes in miracles.
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bjmdds wrote:Mendes as an action film director? Keep dreaming. "Twilight fans in Vancouver will get an exclusive opportunity to watch a live stream of the Nov. 12 world premiere of "Twilight: Breaking Dawn Part II" at the Nokia Theatre in Los Angeles -- if they win a contest. They'll scream and shriek as Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart walk the red carpet for the first time since they got back together." November 12 2012 Bond 23 gets buried in the press in the USA by Twilight. Bond 23 gets 3 days here. Sweeney believes in miracles.
It looks like the miracles are now starting to happen BJ......... :wink:

Skyfall for Best Picture at the Oscars next year anyone?
(Ok, that's probably going a bit too far with miracles...... :P )
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I don't know Sween. Contradictory praise worries me. I think it indicates traditional element are either not used correctly or completely ignored but brushed over.

Ive been going over Superman Returns it had incredible positive hype, the purest positive reviews but was a miserable Superman movie. Not going to assume that s what happening here but I'm not a fan of the reboot with Craig any way it departed from the path of Bond, maybe they are trying to bring it back. But one thing bugs me "Bond talks to M about his parents" I can't see that fitting with M in the books or any of the men cast as Bond doing this in a movie.

I can see this being praised for some emotion depth even though its wrong for both characters. But what the hell put the gun barrel at the end of the movie and let Bond wear a track suit the whole movie :wink:
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The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Mendes as an action film director? Keep dreaming. "Twilight fans in Vancouver will get an exclusive opportunity to watch a live stream of the Nov. 12 world premiere of "Twilight: Breaking Dawn Part II" at the Nokia Theatre in Los Angeles -- if they win a contest. They'll scream and shriek as Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart walk the red carpet for the first time since they got back together." November 12 2012 Bond 23 gets buried in the press in the USA by Twilight. Bond 23 gets 3 days here. Sweeney believes in miracles.
It looks like the miracles are now starting to happen BJ......... :wink:
Twilight movies don't make that much money honestly, but the fan base is crazy. I don't see that kind of rabid enthusiasm Sween.
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Dr. No wrote:I don't know Sween. Contradictory praise worries me. I think it indicates traditional element are either not used correctly or completely ignored but brushed over.

Ive been going over Superman Returns it had incredible positive hype, the purest positive reviews but was a miserable Superman movie. Not going to assume that s what happening here but I'm not a fan of the reboot with Craig any way it departed from the path of Bond, maybe they are trying to bring it back. But one thing bugs me "Bond talks to M about his parents" I can't see that fitting with M in the books or any of the men cast as Bond doing this in a movie.

I can see this being praised for some emotion depth even though its wrong for both characters. But what the hell put the gun barrel at the end of the movie and let Bond wear a track suit the whole movie :wink:
Usually when critics go completely overboard for a movie, there tends to be something in it. For that reason alone I am now really excited to see Skyfall. I remember when press previews came out for QoS, they were very mixed, and I had a very bad feeling before that movie - especially Graham Rye's review.

This time round I'm not getting that vibe at all. I think this will be a very good movie.
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I can tell by your excitement over these reviews you will have glowing reviews for Bond 23. Over time, didn't CR sour on you and you were gagagaga over that from your first screening of it.
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If Graham Rye says 'Skyfall' is good, then that sounds very positive, i mean his whole life has revolved around the Bond franchise.
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http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/edg ... mber-2015/ Where's FBF? The heck with Bond. Ant Man has arrived :!: All hail the Ant :!: :up:
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English Agent wrote:If Graham Rye says 'Skyfall' is good, then that sounds very positive, i mean his whole life has revolved around the Bond franchise.
His whole life revolves around around a lemon faced jerk being deemed suitable in the role? What is so compelling about Cr-egg as Bond to you EA? Do you forget his looks http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J6huhYaJPJ8/T ... raig_6.JPG when watching it? DC is more like a stuntman than an actor.
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