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[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Craig turns down £68 million for two more films.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... films.html

[Kristatos]

Again, it could just be brinkmanship. I'm not going to celebrate until Hiddleston or (preferably) Turner is officially announced as the next Bond.

[Omega]

Craig turns down £68 million for two more films.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... films.html

not to defend Craig but these kind of stories come up like when WB said they offered bale a ton of money to come back as batman when they never even talked to him. Saying the actor turned down a lot of money is a easy way to get fans off their backs when they recast.
When eon lied about Brosnan wanting to much and vilified him it didn't work out for them, they had to do a lot of more work to promote Craig then they did when Dalton left because people accepted Dalton chose to leave. I think Dalton could have made more movies but it had been too long and he wasn't that popular with the audience so they did what they did when Brosnan got the job.

But I do believe Craig's done with bond his attitude make it clear he didn't respect the role or fans. I get him not respecting the producers cause he's walked all over them for years.

[Omega]

I just want to add one more thing about BvS. I don't have a problem believing it's making money or is going to, for a lot of reasons not the least of which is Ale saying so.

I have no doubt she knows more than I ever will and that her friend at WB did and said exactly what she says. Also the front loaded movie benefits WB because their share of the ticket is biggest in the first weeks.

My problem is forget BvS, is take any movie with the financial history and cost being talked about so positively without a ground work that makes sense with everything I was taught about Hollywood accounting.

On top of that is one story saying p&a does not count when studios are figuring profit, directly contradicts what I was taught about the true bottom lines are.

It may be everyone in Hollywood believes BvS is a monstrous hit defying critics and nay sayers but I've heard that before about true pieces of crap movies. In the end I'm just a guy in the middle of nowhere on the Internet. WB has enough faith in the DC line up to dump literally billions into it.




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[Skywalker]

Nothing else to add

[bjmdds]

When Aidan is officially announced, and IF it's true, EON will do it quickly, to start their Brosnan-ization of Cr-egg ever being Bond, and get the hype going for a new director and his new protege, the 7th 007 Skywalker, been busy all this time? Stop in once and a while.------ "Daniel is done — pure and simple, he told top brass at MGM after 'Spectre.' They threw huge amounts of money at him, but it just wasn't what he wanted. He had told people after shooting that this would be his final outing, but the film company still felt he could come around after 'Spectre' if he was offered a money deal." Latest odds on who will be the next James Bond

Tom Hiddleston - 2/5
Aidan Turner - 3/1
Idris Elba - 8/1
Tom Hardy - 8/1
Damian Lewis - 10/1
Michael Fassbender - 20/1
Henry Cavill - 20/1
Oliver Jackson-Cohen - 25/1
Sam Worthington - 50/1

[bjmdds]

I just want to add one more thing about BvS. I don't have a problem believing it's making money or is going to, for a lot of reasons not the least of which is Ale saying so.

I have no doubt she knows more than I ever will and that her friend at WB did and said exactly what she says. Also the front loaded movie benefits WB because their share of the ticket is biggest in the first weeks.

My problem is forget BvS, is take any movie with the financial history and cost being talked about so positively without a ground work that makes sense with everything I was taught about Hollywood accounting.

On top of that is one story saying p&a does not count when studios are figuring profit, directly contradicts what I was taught about the true bottom lines are.

It may be everyone in Hollywood believes BvS is a monstrous hit defying critics and nay sayers but I've heard that before about true pieces of crap movies. In the end I'm just a guy in the middle of nowhere on the Internet. WB has enough faith in the DC line up to dump literally billions into it.




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Big O, you are correct. Her math, that SHE taught and drilled into our collective heads, just does not add up. For whatever reason, she went off on this tangent, but we know the facts at the box office.

[bjmdds]

Hiddleston has so far appeared shirtless in every episode of The Night Manager, in which he plays the broodingly enigmatic hotel night manager, Jonathan Pine. Who at EON does that appeal too? Her new boy-toy?

[Veronica]

I don't think Barbara will begin the "Brosnanization" of Craig tenure. She is just too crazy about him. Remember all those statements about Craig being "the most beautiful man on the planet"? When he quits(he basically already did it's only a question how much money will Babs be willing to throw at him to stay) she'll sob in her bathroom.

[Alessandra]

According to very well informed people in the business, Daniel Craig HAS officially quit Bond.

Nobody is eating crow over BvS. It's got a bad rep and it'll keep it. WB took a breather to try to correct the next DC movies coming up and I think cavill will probably be busy with the series for the next ten years at a minimum. I'd hope maybe WB if the distribut would push his name but I'm ready for bond 7 as long it's it's not Craig Jr if such a horrible actor exists.

SERIOUSLY??? You pretend to not have seen the articles from Variety, EW, THR et al saying the critics don't matter anymore because despite what they said the film made a lot of money at the box office? Do I need to go back in archives and link? I don't have time for it but I'll find it if you insist. I read them all back then so it's a matter of going to dig into my browser's history and finding time for that.

And don't ever call me someone who spits BS. I won't stand for that. Integrity is very important to me and I AM NOT a marketing person, I am a journalist. I SAW THE FIGURES: ACTUAL FIGURES. Now either you live with it and move on, or you stop insulting me in not so veiled ways regardless. The fact you don't accept a reality of figures that I HAVE SEEN is your problem, not mine. I saw stuff that is PRIVATE NOT PUBLIC. Not something that is adjusted for press, I saw the ACTUAL figures.

Don't ever dare say I am lying or selling a PR story when I instead HAVE SEEN the actual freaking figures. Not only I am not lying but I am SUPER aware how the profit works, and I taught people on here about that, too. There is NO fooling me with anything, I know how the business works and I know how much money they need. I keep telling you YOU DO NOT HAVE the accurate budget figures and you keep repeating them as if because you've seen them in press and repeat them, that makes them accurate. It doesn't. No matter how many times you repeat an inaccurate figure, it doesn't make it accurate.

A person I am friends with who had NO obligation to show me anything, DID show me stuff that I was NOT supposed to see exactly because he understood that I, in turn, understood the situation was NOT the one depicted in press as far as budget and other things were concerned. Whether you like this or not, it's YOUR problem but do not EVER dare call me a liar or a seller of smoke when I know EXACTLY how all of this works and I would NEVER lie about it, EVER. What for, besides? Seriously? I am not an investor in the movie, I have absolutely NOTHING to gain from saying they're making money off of it. Apparently all I have to gain are not-so-veiled insults instead.

Learn that you don't have access to certain things while others do. When you show me a private different sheet with figures for the film that aren't the exact same as those I've seen, then we'll talk, until then, don't ever again dare question my honesty about this. I haven't questioned anyone's honesty, I simply said what is in PRESS is NOT THE TRUTH: which by the way is valid for 90% of the news you see out there. And since I AM press, I'm well aware how the "spread a fake fact" ESPECIALLY in entertainment works. One starts saying it and all others follow. A prime example of this: blaming the return of Scandal in January on Kerry Washington's pregnancy. EVERYONE is saying that. The truth instead is, their ratings are down the toilet and the network cut the episode order by 6 episodes because of budget. NO ONE is reporting that and EVERYONE is saying "Oh the lead actress is pregnant that's why they cut 6 episodes". That doesn't make it true, it's complete BS. Yet everyone is reporting that. And the exact same applies to budget figures that press DOES NOT have access to.

Also and by the way, WB just replaced a few executives and an outlet was quick to blame that on Superman vs Batman so CERTAINLY NO ONE is selling any PR story at WB, or they'd have avoided this type of completely ridiculous insinuation.

Now back to the news at hand: according to many insiders, Craig HAS walked away from Bond. Seems like that is accurate. SEEMS being the keyword because EON loves to play games.

[Alessandra]

I just want to add one more thing about BvS. I don't have a problem believing it's making money or is going to, for a lot of reasons not the least of which is Ale saying so.

I have no doubt she knows more than I ever will and that her friend at WB did and said exactly what she says. Also the front loaded movie benefits WB because their share of the ticket is biggest in the first weeks.

My problem is forget BvS, is take any movie with the financial history and cost being talked about so positively without a ground work that makes sense with everything I was taught about Hollywood accounting.

On top of that is one story saying p&a does not count when studios are figuring profit, directly contradicts what I was taught about the true bottom lines are.

It may be everyone in Hollywood believes BvS is a monstrous hit defying critics and nay sayers but I've heard that before about true pieces of crap movies. In the end I'm just a guy in the middle of nowhere on the Internet. WB has enough faith in the DC line up to dump literally billions into it.




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Big O, you are correct. Her math, that SHE taught and drilled into our collective heads, just does not add up. For whatever reason, she went off on this tangent, but we know the facts at the box office.

Don't you EVER dare question my honesty or intellect again. Why you think you can talk about me as if I'm some kind of lunatic when I literally TAUGHT YOU how the box office system works, is beyond me. EXACTLY because I know MY Math and I HAVE SEEN Budget figures that YOU HAVE NOT SEEN, I know what the reality is.

You don't know any SINGLE fact because you do NOT know what the budget for the movie actually is. Learn to accept that sometimes there's stuff you don't know about. I felt free to share it on here because I thought I was among actually reasonable people who know me well enough to KNOW I DO NOT give out FALSE facts, EVER. Especially since I taught you the truth of figures. Clearly I was mistaken. I'm in the middle of people who take a position based on ONLY knowing RUMORS from press because NO ONE has access to those budget figures, and who won't accept that instead the reality of things STRAIGHT from those who are producing the movie is another. Well sorry, no matter how much you insist, REALITY DOES NOT CHANGE. The reality of actual figures and calculations that includes a hell of a lot of things you are NOT taking into account for the film. I have NOTHING to gain from saying this. In fact I'm being insulted and being treated like a lunatic over it. Just and only because you dislike this reality. But again, I thought I was in the midst of people who knew better than to drink up no matter what press says and think it's true just because "all press says so". So I thought I could share no problem and that people would gladly accept the reality of things they didn't have access to. Very clearly I was wrong.

And while we're at it, yes Hiddleston WOULD be a good candidate for Bond, better than Turner in terms of selling and playing the part for sure, and that's why a lot of people see him as such, despite the fact he will need to change some of his appearance (doesn't take much, heavy gelling or light coloring will change his hair) to look the part more. I will take EITHER because either will be a drastic improvement from Craig. Naturally, this is just and only if Henry Cavill is out. Because otherwise, he is the ONLY one who's actually Bond. In every way. But if it's between Hiddleston and Turner? EITHER works for me. I prefer Hiddleston but I'll take Turner, too. Have distinct impression it will be a third person, that we won't like at all, but we'll see.

[kater23]

Seven words:Ding Dong The Wicked Witch Is Dead (actually, that's what we'll be saying when Babs quits(unlikely) but it fits Daniel too!

[Omega]

According to very well informed people in the business, Daniel Craig HAS officially quit Bond.

Nobody is eating crow over BvS. It's got a bad rep and it'll keep it. WB took a breather to try to correct the next DC movies coming up and I think cavill will probably be busy with the series for the next ten years at a minimum. I'd hope maybe WB if the distribut would push his name but I'm ready for bond 7 as long it's it's not Craig Jr if such a horrible actor exists.

SERIOUSLY??? You pretend to not have seen the articles from Variety, EW, THR et al saying the critics don't matter anymore because despite what they said the film made a lot of money at the box office? Do I need to go back in archives and link? I don't have time for it but I'll find it if you insist. I read them all back then so it's a matter of going to dig into my browser's history and finding time for that.

And don't ever call me someone who spits BS. I won't stand for that. Integrity is very important to me and I AM NOT a marketing person, I am a journalist. I SAW THE FIGURES: ACTUAL FIGURES. Now either you live with it and move on, or you stop insulting me in not so veiled ways regardless. The fact you don't accept a reality of figures that I HAVE SEEN is your problem, not mine. I saw stuff that is PRIVATE NOT PUBLIC. Not something that is adjusted for press, I saw the ACTUAL figures.

Don't ever dare say I am lying or selling a PR story when I instead HAVE SEEN the actual freaking figures. Not only I am not lying but I am SUPER aware how the profit works, and I taught people on here about that, too. There is NO fooling me with anything, I know how the business works and I know how much money they need. I keep telling you YOU DO NOT HAVE the accurate budget figures and you keep repeating them as if because you've seen them in press and repeat them, that makes them accurate. It doesn't. No matter how many times you repeat an inaccurate figure, it doesn't make it accurate.

A person I am friends with who had NO obligation to show me anything, DID show me stuff that I was NOT supposed to see exactly because he understood that I, in turn, understood the situation was NOT the one depicted in press as far as budget and other things were concerned. Whether you like this or not, it's YOUR problem but do not EVER dare call me a liar or a seller of smoke when I know EXACTLY how all of this works and I would NEVER lie about it, EVER. What for, besides? Seriously? I am not an investor in the movie, I have absolutely NOTHING to gain from saying they're making money off of it. Apparently all I have to gain are not-so-veiled insults instead.

Learn that you don't have access to certain things while others do. When you show me a private different sheet with figures for the film that aren't the exact same as those I've seen, then we'll talk, until then, don't ever again dare question my honesty about this. I haven't questioned anyone's honesty, I simply said what is in PRESS is NOT THE TRUTH: which by the way is valid for 90% of the news you see out there. And since I AM press, I'm well aware how the "spread a fake fact" ESPECIALLY in entertainment works. One starts saying it and all others follow. A prime example of this: blaming the return of Scandal in January on Kerry Washington's pregnancy. EVERYONE is saying that. The truth instead is, their ratings are down the toilet and the network cut the episode order by 6 episodes because of budget. NO ONE is reporting that and EVERYONE is saying "Oh the lead actress is pregnant that's why they cut 6 episodes". That doesn't make it true, it's complete BS. Yet everyone is reporting that. And the exact same applies to budget figures that press DOES NOT have access to.

Also and by the way, WB just replaced a few executives and an outlet was quick to blame that on Superman vs Batman so CERTAINLY NO ONE is selling any PR story at WB, or they'd have avoided this type of completely ridiculous insinuation.

Now back to the news at hand: according to many insiders, Craig HAS walked away from Bond. Seems like that is accurate. SEEMS being the keyword because EON loves to play games.

just to be clear I did not question your honesty. If you look at what I said I'll take your word on it. Freely admit my short comings but I did explain why it didn't make sense to me, adding to the confusion is a ton of stories from people who are supposed to know contradicting each other . If WBs news is as good as their spin says it is almost a first for a studio, you know how people like eon lie about the cost of everything to look better. From where I'm sitting it's a knee jerk reaction to PR for a movie because of eon.
I may not understand how the math works in this instance, but I believe you cause you say it is so. That doesn't change.



We'll disagree on BvS being good or bad, I don't want WB to stop making DC movies, just make (IMO) better movies. It seems like DC and WB heard the complaints and took action to improve the next movies, at lest that's the impression they left.


On bond this is the best news in a long time. It felt like he quit before sp came out then babs says she prays he'll never leave, and Craig acts smug when asked if he's done. God I hope babs doesn't get cold feet and run back to Craig

Do they recast m and mp if Craig is really gone? Bond history is the can hold over except for Dalton to Brosnan I guess. That was cubbys bond and this is babs . do the old rules even apply?

[Omega]

Seven words:Ding Dong The Wicked Witch Is Dead (actually, that's what we'll be saying when Babs quits(unlikely) but it fits Daniel too!

Do you have s preference on the replacements in the news right now?

[bjmdds]

B v S's budget is listed at $250 million + $165 million P&A. What was the actual amount? $200 million total? That would be the only way this film would be a financial success and this amount is way too low for that. Who questioned anyone's honesty or intellect or referred to anyone as a lunatic? The numbers are being questioned and they just don't add up to any big profits.

[Veronica]

On one Facebook page there's a picture of Craig laughing and a comment is:"This pic is fake. Daniel Craig is laughing." Below people were asked who would they like to see as next Bond. Seems to me people won't particulary miss Craig.

[007]

Don't know if the story is true or not but good news if he has gone. Having said that, I really can't muster up any enthusiasm at the thought of
Tom Hiddleston taking over. He looks like Tony Blair. We'll be going from one actor who looks nothing like Bond to another actor who looks nothing like Bond.

I agree with Graham Rye.

https://twitter.com/GrahamRye

"Tom Hiddleston as James Bond - I really don't think so!"

[Kristatos]

Apparently, he auditioned for the role of Thor before getting the part of Loki, and footage exists of him bulked up for the part, so he doesn't *always* look as if a gust of wind will blow him away. That was my main concern about him.

[bjmdds]

Don't know if the story is true or not but good news if he has gone. Having said that, I really can't muster up any enthusiasm at the thought of
Tom Hiddleston taking over. He looks like Tony Blair. We'll be going from one actor who looks nothing like Bond to another actor who looks nothing like Bond.

I agree with Graham Rye.

https://twitter.com/GrahamRye

"Tom Hiddleston as James Bond - I really don't think so!"

You said it 007. I agree. Hiddleston would be awful as Bond and would further emasculate the role, which might be exactly Broccoli's nefarious plan. I wonder what Atticus thinks.

[bjmdds]

Daniel Craig Still Considering James Bond Franchise Return?---The BBC has now confirmed the news that not only has Daniel Craig 'not' made the decision to return as Bond, but that “no decision is likely to be made for a while".