The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[james stock]

MI6 and CB.net have become a mess of a forum for any structured debate of Craig, Eon,CR, or Bond 22. The intolerant attitude both demonstrate has become a real turnoff to contrary Bond fans and guess what? The MODS at both could care less what we think, for they smugly feel it is 'their way or the highway'. I cannot believe that Charles Vine, You Only Live Thrice, CM007, and a few others at MI6 enjoy spending their time dodging insults with the majority at MI6. It serves them no purpose being there. Here, even with several contrarians to this website's premise, all opinions are welcome, except when the insults start to fly, and here, those cases are rare.

I think the sites you just mentioned bjmdds should be Daniel Craig fan sites? They seem to run down the other actores taht play Bond too which i find mystifying

[Skywalker]

MI6 and CB.net have become a mess of a forum for any structured debate of Craig, Eon,CR, or Bond 22. The intolerant attitude both demonstrate has become a real turnoff to contrary Bond fans and guess what? The MODS at both could care less what we think, for they smugly feel it is 'their way or the highway'. I cannot believe that Charles Vine, You Only Live Thrice, CM007, and a few others at MI6 enjoy spending their time dodging insults with the majority at MI6. It serves them no purpose being there. Here, even with several contrarians to this website's premise, all opinions are welcome, except when the insults start to fly, and here, those cases are rare.

I think the sites you just mentioned bjmdds should be Daniel Craig fan sites? They seem to run down the other actores taht play Bond too which i find mystifying

Moore seems to get a lot of stick on MI6. It's always the same old B*llsh*t about Tarzan yell's and Beach Boy songs.

[james stock]

MI6 and CB.net have become a mess of a forum for any structured debate of Craig, Eon,CR, or Bond 22. The intolerant attitude both demonstrate has become a real turnoff to contrary Bond fans and guess what? The MODS at both could care less what we think, for they smugly feel it is 'their way or the highway'. I cannot believe that Charles Vine, You Only Live Thrice, CM007, and a few others at MI6 enjoy spending their time dodging insults with the majority at MI6. It serves them no purpose being there. Here, even with several contrarians to this website's premise, all opinions are welcome, except when the insults start to fly, and here, those cases are rare.

I think the sites you just mentioned bjmdds should be Daniel Craig fan sites? They seem to run down the other actores taht play Bond too which i find mystifying

Thats sad, if not for Moore then there would be no Craig, apologies for last posts spelling i need to proof read more

Moore seems to get a lot of stick on MI6. It's always the same old B*llsh*t about Tarzan yell's and Beach Boy songs.

[bjmdds]

MI6 and CB.net have become a mess of a forum for any structured debate of Craig, Eon,CR, or Bond 22. The intolerant attitude both demonstrate has become a real turnoff to contrary Bond fans and guess what? The MODS at both could care less what we think, for they smugly feel it is 'their way or the highway'. I cannot believe that Charles Vine, You Only Live Thrice, CM007, and a few others at MI6 enjoy spending their time dodging insults with the majority at MI6. It serves them no purpose being there. Here, even with several contrarians to this website's premise, all opinions are welcome, except when the insults start to fly, and here, those cases are rare.

I think the sites you just mentioned bjmdds should be Daniel Craig fan sites? They seem to run down the other actores taht play Bond too which i find mystifying

That in fact is exactly what those sites are. They are Daniel Craig lovefests and and I cannot believe the fascination they have with him and how they violently defend him.

[bjmdds]

The forum is quite rightly gaining membership and momentum. The Anti-Craigers and Pro-Craigers deserve credit for keeping the topics fresh and interesting. Many views are shared and debated, and the moderators have to be applauded for allowing good debate to evolve into great banter.

Not everyone on this site share the same sentiments and their reasons for being Bond fans can differ greatly, but were all here because of one man 'Daniel Craig'.

Here Here Skywalker! have you had any bad expeariences on other Bond Forums?

Not really. Dog Bond on MI6 was slightly annoying, but all the rest didn't really attack my opinions of Craig.

BJ had more cr*p than most to deal with.

Dogbond, the so-called ex-UK now Trinidad video store owner, is given freedom to attack anyone she does not like, with insults. I never lowered myself to her level, and tried to ignore her often. The head cheese moderator LUDS at MI6 is a Canadian based Craig fanatic and he loves to lock threads that delve into contrary discussion.

[Skywalker]

MI6 and CB.net have become a mess of a forum for any structured debate of Craig, Eon,CR, or Bond 22. The intolerant attitude both demonstrate has become a real turnoff to contrary Bond fans and guess what? The MODS at both could care less what we think, for they smugly feel it is 'their way or the highway'. I cannot believe that Charles Vine, You Only Live Thrice, CM007, and a few others at MI6 enjoy spending their time dodging insults with the majority at MI6. It serves them no purpose being there. Here, even with several contrarians to this website's premise, all opinions are welcome, except when the insults start to fly, and here, those cases are rare.

I think the sites you just mentioned bjmdds should be Daniel Craig fan sites? They seem to run down the other actores taht play Bond too which i find mystifying

That in fact is exactly what those sites are. They are Daniel Craig lovefests and and I cannot believe the fascination they have with him and how they violently defend him.

It's the fact that many of Craig's fans diss the great elements associated with Bond and preach that Craig is the best thing since sliced bread and Moore/Brosnan are a joke.

[Skywalker]

BJ had more cr*p than most to deal with.

Dogbond, the so-called ex-UK now Trinidad video store owner, is given freedom to attack anyone she does not like, with insults. I never lowered myself to her level, and tried to ignore her often. The head cheese moderator LUDS at MI6 is a Canadian based Craig fanatic and he loves to lock threads that delve into contrary discussion.

I think when LUDS locked your thread that was turning point for you BJ. It was one of the more popular threads on there.

[james stock]

MI6 and CB.net have become a mess of a forum for any structured debate of Craig, Eon,CR, or Bond 22. The intolerant attitude both demonstrate has become a real turnoff to contrary Bond fans and guess what? The MODS at both could care less what we think, for they smugly feel it is 'their way or the highway'. I cannot believe that Charles Vine, You Only Live Thrice, CM007, and a few others at MI6 enjoy spending their time dodging insults with the majority at MI6. It serves them no purpose being there. Here, even with several contrarians to this website's premise, all opinions are welcome, except when the insults start to fly, and here, those cases are rare.

I think the sites you just mentioned bjmdds should be Daniel Craig fan sites? They seem to run down the other actores taht play Bond too which i find mystifying

That in fact is exactly what those sites are. They are Daniel Craig lovefests and and I cannot believe the fascination they have with him and how they violently defend him.

Ill be quite honest i do not find him to be a very good actor, i find him too bland, no presence, expressionless. Do you feel the same?

[bjmdds]

Correctamundo Young Luke. They go so far as to demean 40 years of the most successful film franchise in history.

[bjmdds]

BJ had more cr*p than most to deal with.

Dogbond, the so-called ex-UK now Trinidad video store owner, is given freedom to attack anyone she does not like, with insults. I never lowered myself to her level, and tried to ignore her often. The head cheese moderator LUDS at MI6 is a Canadian based Craig fanatic and he loves to lock threads that delve into contrary discussion.

I think when LUDS locked your thread that was turning point for you BJ. It was one of the more popular threads on there.

It was THE most popular thread with over 3000 replies and Luds and his boys could not take that fact and used flame wars as the reason to lock it, yet all that exists on that site are flame wars. They showed their true colors by their actions.

[Skywalker]

Correctamundo Young Luke. They go so far as to demean 40 years of the most successful film franchise in history.

Gadgets, Bond nailing stunning women, his expertise in all situations and his confidence/arrogance is what makes Bond so popular with millions of fans. To dismiss this and say that this is not Bond is an insult to those same millions that went to the cinema and kept the franchise alive.

[bjmdds]

MI6 and CB.net have become a mess of a forum for any structured debate of Craig, Eon,CR, or Bond 22. The intolerant attitude both demonstrate has become a real turnoff to contrary Bond fans and guess what? The MODS at both could care less what we think, for they smugly feel it is 'their way or the highway'. I cannot believe that Charles Vine, You Only Live Thrice, CM007, and a few others at MI6 enjoy spending their time dodging insults with the majority at MI6. It serves them no purpose being there. Here, even with several contrarians to this website's premise, all opinions are welcome, except when the insults start to fly, and here, those cases are rare.

I think the sites you just mentioned bjmdds should be Daniel Craig fan sites? They seem to run down the other actores taht play Bond too which i find mystifying

That in fact is exactly what those sites are. They are Daniel Craig lovefests and and I cannot believe the fascination they have with him and how they violently defend him.

Ill be quite honest i do not find him to be a very good actor, i find him too bland, no presence, expressionless. Do you feel the same?

Totally agree, 1000 percent! Watch The Mother, Lara Croft, The Invasion, The so-called great Layer Cake,Infamous,CR, etc. He is boring to watch and I really cannot stand the way he mumbles his lines, for it gets tiresome trying to figure out what he is saying.

[Skywalker]

MI6 and CB.net have become a mess of a forum for any structured debate of Craig, Eon,CR, or Bond 22. The intolerant attitude both demonstrate has become a real turnoff to contrary Bond fans and guess what? The MODS at both could care less what we think, for they smugly feel it is 'their way or the highway'. I cannot believe that Charles Vine, You Only Live Thrice, CM007, and a few others at MI6 enjoy spending their time dodging insults with the majority at MI6. It serves them no purpose being there. Here, even with several contrarians to this website's premise, all opinions are welcome, except when the insults start to fly, and here, those cases are rare.

I think the sites you just mentioned bjmdds should be Daniel Craig fan sites? They seem to run down the other actores taht play Bond too which i find mystifying

That in fact is exactly what those sites are. They are Daniel Craig lovefests and and I cannot believe the fascination they have with him and how they violently defend him.

Ill be quite honest i do not find him to be a very good actor, i find him too bland, no presence, expressionless. Do you feel the same?

Totally agree, 1000 percent! Watch The Mother, Lara Croft, The Invasion, The so-called great Layer Cake,Infamous,CR, etc. He is boring to watch and I really cannot stand the way he mumbles his lines, for it gets tiresome trying to figure out what he is saying.

Layer Cake is sh*te. One of the most overrated films ever. To be fair to Craig he is one of the better aspects, but that is not saying a lot.

[bjmdds]

Correctamundo Young Luke. They go so far as to demean 40 years of the most successful film franchise in history.

Gadgets, Bond nailing stunning women, his expertise in all situations and his confidence/arrogance is what makes Bond so popular with millions of fans. To dismiss this and say that this is not Bond is an insult to those same millions that went to the cinema and kept the franchise alive.

You really have to wonder what the public is now desiring? It is an insult IMO to pass off CR as a Bond film. Was it popular? Yes. Why, I am still not sure but the curiosity factor and the genital torturing scene and the boycott and the negative publicity, did all actually help Eon. Now, all of that allure is gone, and Craig now stands on his own merit;however, it is evident that EON will still churn out another Bourne like film in November 2008, and it is time they unveil the actual title. To me, there is only one viable title, The Bourne Mimicry.

[Skywalker]

Correctamundo Young Luke. They go so far as to demean 40 years of the most successful film franchise in history.

Gadgets, Bond nailing stunning women, his expertise in all situations and his confidence/arrogance is what makes Bond so popular with millions of fans. To dismiss this and say that this is not Bond is an insult to those same millions that went to the cinema and kept the franchise alive.

You really have to wonder what the public is now desiring? It is an insult IMO to pass off CR as a Bond film. Was it popular? Yes. Why, I am still not sure but the curiosity factor and the genital torturing scene and the boycott and the negative publicity, did all actually help Eon. Now, all of that allure is gone, and Craig now stands on his own merit;however, it is evident that EON will still churn out another Bourne like film in November 2008, and it is time they unveil the actual title. To me, there is only one viable title, The Bourne Mimicry.

Bauer and Bourne have spawned a new type of rugged hero that has obviously got Babs excited. The problem for me and many others is that Bond does not have to follow suit. It is a successful franchise that was still popular with Brosnan in the role. If I want rugged action hero there are plenty out there to choose from. Why Bond has became a sheep and followed the heard is hard to accept when as a leader he was unique and popular.

[bjmdds]

Should we call her 'Bah'-bra Broccoli then Skywalker, since she has become a Bourne follower?

[English Agent]

Blimey you guys have been busy tonight posting after a couple or so of quiet days.

Just thought i'd put my two pennies worth in.

From what i've read so far tonight on regards the Bond fan sites...........
yes i will say that CBn and MI6 are very pro-Craig sites.

When i joined CBn during the release of CR i initially found it quite a good
site, but i did get fed up with the same topics being forever repeated, and
people seemed to get jealous if you posted a news item, which then got posted on the front page of the website.
I will say that any anti-craigers were dismissed instantly, and told to get off the site and come here, and any pro-craigers who mentioned DCinB
were swarmed on by the moderators and told never to mention you guys.

One post i did start which was interesting, was when i asked how many
times the members there had gone to see CR at the cinema. The average was around 4 times (including me).
The record by the way was from a Californian woman who had seen the
film at her local cinema a mind boggling 31 times!!!

Incidently how many times did you guys see the film, in the hope that you
might find something to enjoy in it?

I did later post on MI6 for a while earlier this year, and it was hilarious at
times. I remember one thread with 'BJ, Charles Vine and YOLT' which
accumulated a huge posting count, and poor old YOLT got a lot of flak
because he loved DAD and hated CR......after a while he eventually told
everyone he was deaf, and it became clear that he liked the Brosnan
films, because they were visually spectacular which he enjoyed and could relate to better, rather than trying to follow the sometimes longer dialogue scenes in CR. So, what i'am saying is that the Bond films mean
different things to different people.

One person who could hold his own was 'Charles Vine' who was (or is)
totally unphased by the comments made to him..........................i did
ask him once why he had not joined this site as he was such a strong
anti-craiger, but he told me, he didn't agree with the way this site had
gone about its anti-craig campaign!!

I too also found that threads at MI6 got locked, or were never allowed to start by the mods there..........it was strange as the threads were not controversial in anyway.

BTW:- I got on well with 'Dog Bond' as she had the same interest in the
business side of films, as i do.

and, 'BJ' when just prior to Bond 22 being released, dont make any BO
predictions at 'MI6', as of your experience there for CR, you nearly got
torn apart by 'Dog Bond'!!!

Mind you when the time comes around for Bond 22, i'am sure i'll bore you
with all the BO statistics at my disposal!!

I think the reasons why those sites were very defensive of DC and CR was for one due to the fact that some anti DC people joined the sites to spam them by adding links to drug and porn sites and of course the
noteriety of this site at the time.

In regards to this site..............i thought it was a brave move by the admin
people here to start a forum, particularly after the verbal attacks here by DB on the websites frontpage to anyone who remotely liked DC.
As some people here know, i was less than friendly when i initially joined
the forums but i soon realised that the people here posting on the forums
were not the same people who had made the personal attacks.

To my surprise, i have actually found it enjoyable posting here!!
Even the moderators get into the spirit of posting on the threads.
There are some amusing personalities!!!
As some of you guys are a scream.............and i probably would if i ever
met you!!!!!!!!

Anyway on to the Bond films......even though i am a pro-craiger, i do
understand the reasons why you guys dont like the way the direction of
the franchise has gone, and unfortunately for you it appears Bond 22 will
be much the same in tone as CR.
It also appears that BB now has the sole power to influence the future
direction of the franchise, and it must be a worry to you guys what she
will do in the future, based on her hiring of DC, (though obviously from my perspective i am pleased with the franchise at the moment)!!
It does amaze me though that some of you here are prepared not even
to give DC a chance and to wait and hope that in a decade or so you
might actually get a actor who fills Bond shoes which you will embrace!!
I mean it could be a long wait to ignore your favourite film franchise!!

Incidently, what do you guys think Bond 22 should be called??
apart from the 'Bourne Mimicry'

Not Casino Royale AGAIN! or

Daniel Craig ate my Hamster

UK posters will understand the last line!!

EA

[bjmdds]

EA:Nice to have cordial disagreement on a Bond forum, right? If I ever wrote something similar against Craig at MI6 or CB.net as you just wrote here on this forum, in praise of Craig, Doggie Bond would be all over it, Luds and Simon and the MOD henchmen would be crying foul, flame wars would start, and another locked forum topic. As two examples: http://www.mi6forums.com/viewtopic.php? ... start=3045 http://www.mi6forums.com/viewtopic.php? ... &start=825 Both Luds and Simon hated the popularity of the threads. At least here, all are welcome, in a much more pleasurable atmosphere, don't you agree? That thread you mentioned at MI6 I was involved in with Vine, CM007,AKB,GS, and YOLT was one heck of an experience with our group going up against all of the rest, including you. By the way, what is the origin of YOLT's deafness, is that a fact? I cannot believe Charles Vine does not come here for even though he is not phased by insults at MI6, he should not be the brunt of their juvenile quips. YOLT is another who should defect here, yet at times, he hates Craig, then loves him, as Bond.

[stockslivevan]

YOLT is an odd one. Really, I don't think he's even worthy of this forum as well. Besides hating on Craig, he's been starting arguments that would have ended with one post but he desperately tries to keep it alive by bringing up something redundant or unrealistic. He did at one point said he loved Craig as Bond but from the very start I knew he was just joshing around because they were written pretty forced if you compared to his honest ones. Of course that didn't last and is now on some crusade (even if it's just him) to defend Brosnan and bash Craig, even if either have absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic. If a thread about Brosnan's non-Bond roles are put up, he'll start another Brosnan vs Craig rant and everyone is getting sick of it.

So no, let's not have him. He's a horrible debater and a inconsistent character. This forum has already gotten class anyways.

[Skywalker]

YOLT is an odd one. Really, I don't think he's even worthy of this forum as well. Besides hating on Craig, he's been starting arguments that would have ended with one post but he desperately tries to keep it alive by bringing up something redundant or unrealistic. He did at one point said he loved Craig as Bond but from the very start I knew he was just joshing around because they were written pretty forced if you compared to his honest ones. Of course that didn't last and is now on some crusade (even if it's just him) to defend Brosnan and bash Craig, even if either have absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic. If a thread about Brosnan's non-Bond roles are put up, he'll start another Brosnan vs Craig rant and everyone is getting sick of it.

So no, let's not have him. He's a horrible debater and a inconsistent character. This forum has already gotten class anyways.

I agree that he is like a yo-yo and I simply can't take his opinions seriously. He constantly shoots himself in the foot and when he swung towards liking Craig he tried criticising my opinion (failed obviously).

I agree with Stocks that he would not add quality to this site, just quantity. There are far better poster's on this forum than him.

CM007, Cpt Arthurs and Vine would be good additions though.