The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Veronica]

So Barbara is a big bad wolf and he is spineless pushover.
Babs,he already said no,you are just throwing more money and now titles.

[bjmdds]

Estimated tickets sold for CraigBond US & Canada opening weekends (source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/ ... r=1&p=.htm)

Casino Royale: 6,234,100
Quantum of Bollocks: 9,405,100
Trifle: 10,977,000
The Return of Rico*: 8,478,500

*=Little in-joke for Dreddheads there.

Arghh......never noticed that before....ie (est) admission figures at 'Boxofficemojo'........must of been a relatively new addition to their site.......thanks!

btw.....The land where you live in has some interesting title names for the Bond films!

EA, you, MP and The Sweeney can enjoy this worldwide rejected pile of chicken giblets all you want;however, you are all wrong and misguided in thinking THIS will be a welcomed Bond film. It will go down as the WORST Bond film EVER and having Cr-egg and Broccoli at the helm makes it more satisfying for the rest of us here. I don't understand the allure for you for this film. It makes no sense that any TRUE Bond fan would ever allow this travesty of a plot, after 53 years of history, to be accepted as tolerable

[English Agent]

Estimated tickets sold for CraigBond US & Canada opening weekends (source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/ ... r=1&p=.htm)

Casino Royale: 6,234,100
Quantum of Bollocks: 9,405,100
Trifle: 10,977,000
The Return of Rico*: 8,478,500

*=Little in-joke for Dreddheads there.

Arghh......never noticed that before....ie (est) admission figures at 'Boxofficemojo'........must of been a relatively new addition to their site.......thanks!

btw.....The land where you live in has some interesting title names for the Bond films!

EA, you, MP and The Sweeney can enjoy this worldwide rejected pile of chicken giblets all you want;however, you are all wrong and misguided in thinking THIS will be a welcomed Bond film. It will go down as the WORST Bond film EVER and having Cr-egg and Broccoli at the helm makes it more satisfying for the rest of us here. I don't understand the allure for you for this film. It makes no sense that any TRUE Bond fan would ever allow this travesty of a plot, after 53 years of history, to be accepted as tolerable

Wrong........QOS is the WORST Bond film ever!.............have you actually seen SP yet?

[Omega]

Boxoffice.com: 'While Spectre was off to a solid start this weekend, the goodwill with audiences left behind by Skyfall failed to help lead to a break-out debut for Spectre. Mixed critical reviews, especially from critics in North America, also appear to have taken a toll on the film's potential.'---------meanwhile, I cannot find ONE mention of the UK and overseas week 2 box office totals anywhere? Are they hiding something?

Just wait a few more hours and we will get the breakdown of the International figures.............though the total as of now is $218,000,000.

For a worldwide figure of $291,000,000.

Last i heard midweek was SP was still going pretty strongly in the UK.

What i want to know is which of the members here went to see the 'Peanuts Movie' instead of 'SP' ?

man I'm gaming all weekend . Btw I think the peanuts movie is going to be bigger than estimated , 10am small Podunk
town lots of people going to peanuts with their kids , surprised me seemed more than usual kids movie .


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[Daltonite Toothpaste]

Let's not start throwing the "true Bond fans" label around. I've seen that done enough times by hardcore Craig fans. Everyone is free to like or dislike what they want, and still be a Bond fan.

[Kristatos]

Boxoffice.com: 'While Spectre was off to a solid start this weekend, the goodwill with audiences left behind by Skyfall failed to help lead to a break-out debut for Spectre. Mixed critical reviews, especially from critics in North America, also appear to have taken a toll on the film's potential.'---------meanwhile, I cannot find ONE mention of the UK and overseas week 2 box office totals anywhere? Are they hiding something?

BOM is very US-centric. Updates for international box office tend to come as and when they feel like it. Funnily enough, being bought up by Amazon seems to have made them worse in that regard. When they were an independent site, UK box office was updated every Tuesday, though some of the smaller territories were more sporadic due to lack of available data.

[bjmdds]

Not when garbage plots like this ridiculously twisted one are done and people embrace it as acceptable DT...............Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $73,000,000 24.7%
+ Foreign: $223,100,000 75.3%
= Worldwide: $296,100,000

[English Agent]

Boxoffice.com: 'While Spectre was off to a solid start this weekend, the goodwill with audiences left behind by Skyfall failed to help lead to a break-out debut for Spectre. Mixed critical reviews, especially from critics in North America, also appear to have taken a toll on the film's potential.'---------meanwhile, I cannot find ONE mention of the UK and overseas week 2 box office totals anywhere? Are they hiding something?

BOM is very US-centric. Updates for international box office tend to come as and when they feel like it. Funnily enough, being bought up by Amazon seems to have made them worse in that regard. When they were an independent site, UK box office was updated every Tuesday, though some of the smaller territories were more sporadic due to lack of available data.

International estimated BO figures are normally announced a few hours after the estimated US weekend BO......on Sunday.

The Int' actual figures are published either Mon or Tue..............US actuals are published Mon.

[Kristatos]

Arghh......never noticed that before....ie (est) admission figures at 'Boxofficemojo'........must of been a relatively new addition to their site.......thanks!

It's been there for years, but it's not that easy to find. In the top right corner of the screen, there's a little drop-down menu marked "Adjuster". The default setting is "Actuals", but you can change it to "Est. Tickets", a more reliable comparator for films released several years apart, due to ticket prices rising faster than the rate of inflation.

[English Agent]

Well one thing is for sure SP is certainly splitting the Bond fan base into two halves............it seems to be a case of either you love the film...........or you just don't dig it at all.........there doesn't seem to be any middle ground!

[English Agent]

Arghh......never noticed that before....ie (est) admission figures at 'Boxofficemojo'........must of been a relatively new addition to their site.......thanks!

It's been there for years, but it's not that easy to find. In the top right corner of the screen, there's a little drop-down menu marked "Adjuster". The default setting is "Actuals", but you can change it to "Est. Tickets", a more reliable comparator for films released several years apart, due to ticket prices rising faster than the rate of inflation.

Thanks 'Kris'.............and i had been visiting 'Boxofficemojo' many times over the years as well!

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

I remember that many fans - including The Sweeney - praised QOS after the excitement of watching it at first, but soon realised it was not very good on subsequent viewings. I think this will happen with Spectre.

[TROLLY]

I think Spectre is the best Bond movie in the Daniel Craig era, to date.

In fact, I'm tempted to say that it's the best Bond movie made, since Licence to Kill.

[Alessandra]

We definitely have very different ideas on what constitutes a good movie, and especially a good Bond movie. I have rarely seen something as stupid and insipid as Spectre, and in any case Daniel Craig never played James Bond in any of his movies, so as far as I'm concerned the primary element is missing regardless.
The actual figures are in and Spectre made $73 mln, so abundantly missed the Skyfall mark.

[English Agent]

We definitely have very different ideas on what constitutes a good movie, and especially a good Bond movie. I have rarely seen something as stupid and insipid as Spectre, and in any case Daniel Craig never played James Bond in any of his movies, so as far as I'm concerned the primary element is missing regardless.
The actual figures are in and Spectre made $73 mln, so abundantly missed the Skyfall mark.

'Ale'.............so in your opinion, apart from the lead actor, what do you think should change in the Bond franchise?.............one thing most people agree on is that EON need to hire some new writers!

[bjmdds]

12 months ago, in a guarded EON boardroom: Broccoli: "we have the rights to Spectre now finally. Let's use it and do something really avant-garde with it"------Mendes: "I have a genius idea Why not make Blofeld Bond's childhood foster brother and explore that relationship and take the audience on a path of why Blofeld is the way he is?" --------Broccoli: "That is an excellent idea Sam. Michael, wake up and tell us your opinion"----------MGW: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"-------Broccoli: "Forget my nitwit half brother. Let him sleep"----------Mendes: "So it's a go Barby Beautiful you radiant creature?"-----------Broccoli: "Call in the writers now so we can tell them what to write." -the fact that Broccoli signed off on this insane plot goes to her arrogant mindset that the masses will spend money to view anything she deems is appropriate for her Bond reincarnation. This time she will get burned financially and critically, for this film won't get a single Oscar nomination, nor will it gross over $1 billion at the box office.

[Omega]

We definitely have very different ideas on what constitutes a good movie, and especially a good Bond movie. I have rarely seen something as stupid and insipid as Spectre, and in any case Daniel Craig never played James Bond in any of his movies, so as far as I'm concerned the primary element is missing regardless.
The actual figures are in and Spectre made $73 mln, so abundantly missed the Skyfall mark.

'Ale'.............so in your opinion, apart from the lead actor, what do you think should change in the Bond franchise?.............one thing most people agree on is that EON need to hire some new writers!

IMO eon has not had a clue since GE, not bad movies really for the Brosnan era, but they never could really decided where bond was going up to TLD they were basically turning bond book adaptions. LTK used part of one as I understand it is its own story. Point is eon never developed the skill to think up their own ideas and plan out the movies. LTK , TND, QOS, SP, they have gone it to production still trying to finish the script, somehow they land on their feet most of the time, but they are so chaotic most directors will not work with them on a second immediate movie , some come back after ten years.

First thing eon should do January 1st 2016 no matter who is bond or not, come up with a marvel movies style plan for a series of movies, 5 maybe 10. They don't have to be connected to each other just bond adventures. The making it up as they go is going to screw them over soon. They were out of ideas TWINE, rebooted CR, out of ideas QOS, SF and SP are living of the corps of the original series with nothing substantial to support them if classic bond bones Connery to Brosnan are removed.


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[bjmdds]

BOM's Brad Brevet: Looking for a calendar comparison outside of the Bond franchise, Thor: The Dark World was another big November, franchise opener. Kicking things off with $85 million in 2013 along with an "A-" CinemaScore, The Dark World just barely eked out a $206.3 million domestic run. Outside the November timeframe, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes opened with $72.6 million and an "A-" CinemaScore last year before finishing with $208.5 million. As for a future prediction, it seems very safe to assume Spectre will top Quantum's $168.3 million domestic take, and if I had to wager a guess I'd say it will settle in around $185 million once all is said and done. Internationally the film brought in $117.8 million from 77 total markets, bringing its worldwide cume to an estimated $296.1 million after ten days.(boxoffice.com has it at $271 million for some reason) In the UK it held over very well, dropping only 29% to gross $21.3 million, bringing its UK cume to over $100 million.

[English Agent]

12 months ago, in a guarded EON boardroom: Broccoli: "we have the rights to Spectre now finally. Let's use it and do something really avant-garde with it"------Mendes: "I have a genius idea Why not make Blofeld Bond's childhood foster brother and explore that relationship and take the audience on a path of why Blofeld is the way he is?" --------Broccoli: "That is an excellent idea Sam. Michael, wake up and tell us your opinion"----------MGW: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"-------Broccoli: "Forget my nitwit half brother. Let him sleep"----------Mendes: "So it's a go Barby Beautiful you radiant creature?"-----------Broccoli: "Call in the writers now so we can tell them what to write." -the fact that Broccoli signed off on this insane plot goes to her arrogant mindset that the masses will spend money to view anything she deems is appropriate for her Bond reincarnation. This time she will get burned financially and critically, for this film won't get a single Oscar nomination, nor will it gross over $1 billion at the box office.

I wonder what MGW contributes to the Bond franchise these days?

[dirtybenny]

Seattletimes.com: For the past 20 years, ever since their father handed over the keys to the series, the ferociously private Barbara Broccoli, 55, and her half brother, Michael Wilson, 73, have micromanaged Bond’s every move. While moviemaking is a collaborative process, Broccoli and Wilson have final say over every line of dialogue, every casting decision, every stunt sequence, every marketing tie-in, every TV ad, poster and billboard. In particular, it is the steely-eyed Broccoli who runs the Bond franchise. She was the one who decided to recast the central character in 2005, giving the job to Craig, whom she had seen in the indie drama “Layer Cake.” She was the one who, with “Spectre” hanging in the balance after the on-set injury of Craig this year, figured out how to keep the $300 million production on track. Yes, a woman is in charge of the world’s most aspirational male brand. Although she rarely speaks in public and keeps a low profile in Hollywood — born in Los Angeles, she now lives and works in London — Broccoli has an iron-fisted reputation. “Barbara scares the hell out of people,” Wilson said in a rare sit-down interview at the St. Regis Hotel in Mexico City a few hours before the premiere of “Spectre,” which opened in the United States on Friday. “Everyone is frightened to death of her.” “Good!” shouted Broccoli, who was seated beside him. She laughed. “I mean it,” Wilson continued. “They all know I’m a big pushover, so they don’t care about me.” Wilson brushed aside any notion that there would be big changes in how the franchise was managed. “We’re in it for the long haul, whatever that may be,” he said. As for Craig’s future, Broccoli shut down that question. “Maybe I’m in denial, but I don’t want to think about another Bond,” she said. “Until he definitely says otherwise, I’m not going to give it another thought. If Bond moves to a new distributor, Broccoli and Wilson will have their grit tested once more: New studio executives, particularly marketers, tend to want to put their stamp on Bond. “If we get the wrong partners, there are liable to be conflicts,” Wilson said. The deal that is expiring is lavish, requiring Sony to pay 50 percent of the “Spectre” production costs — which total some $250 million after accounting for government incentives — for only 25 percent of certain profits, once costs are recouped. Sony also shoulders tens of millions of dollars in marketing costs.

Yeah that's a great way to run a company, maybe that's why you haven't made a really great film since you took over from Daddy! Now we know exactly at who's feet to lay the blame for the destruction of this franchise!

We definitely have very different ideas on what constitutes a good movie, and especially a good Bond movie. I have rarely seen something as stupid and insipid as Spectre, and in any case Daniel Craig never played James Bond in any of his movies, so as far as I'm concerned the primary element is missing regardless.
The actual figures are in and Spectre made $73 mln, so abundantly missed the Skyfall mark.

'Ale'.............so in your opinion, apart from the lead actor, what do you think should change in the Bond franchise?.............one thing most people agree on is that EON need to hire some new writers!

IMO eon has not had a clue since GE, not bad movies really for the Brosnan era, but they never could really decided where bond was going up to TLD they were basically turning bond book adaptions. LTK used part of one as I understand it is its own story. Point is eon never developed the skill to think up their own ideas and plan out the movies. LTK , TND, QOS, SP, they have gone it to production still trying to finish the script, somehow they land on their feet most of the time, but they are so chaotic most directors will not work with them on a second immediate movie , some come back after ten years.

First thing eon should do January 1st 2016 no matter who is bond or not, come up with a marvel movies style plan for a series of movies, 5 maybe 10. They don't have to be connected to each other just bond adventures. The making it up as they go is going to screw them over soon. They were out of ideas TWINE, rebooted CR, out of ideas QOS, SF and SP are living of the corps of the original series with nothing substantial to support them if classic bond bones Connery to Brosnan are removed.


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I'm sure working for the 'Iron Lady" doesn't help.

I'm with you O, I've said before, EON only makes Bond films, why they don't have an over arching game plan is way beyond me! I'm not down with a series of sequels ala TDK or what they tried with SP to have them all interconnected, Bond has worked for so long because they were stand alone films with a thin line of continuity, but there needs to be some forethought applied!