The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[carl stromberg]

I got Roger Moore. knew it was going to be Roger when I was answering the questions - especially when I chose the Lotus at the start.

How come the Daniel Craig one says he is "an intellectual"? I thought they downplayed that aspect of Bond in the Craig films.

[ml94]

Even frenchman LAMBERT WILSON & croatian GORAN VISNJIC considered to play 007 in the past...

[bjmdds]

Deadline.com: 'Last night, Mr. Bond started knocking over the casino at the box office making a royal $5.25M at 3,221 theaters from Thursday previews. Industry projections for Spectre‘s opening have risen slightly since earlier in the week with a FSS of $75M-$80M, which would make the 24th 007 title the second highest opener in the franchise of all-time behind 2012’s Skyfall ($88.4M). Sony has the film much lower in its projections at $60M-$65M, however, many believe Spectre is much higher than that.' ---------------Less than $80 million? That's not what EON wants. I guess our opinions here will be deemed correct

[The Saint 007]

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1BVH2zlfY#t=797[/video]

[TROLLY]

Deadline.com: 'Last night, Mr. Bond started knocking over the casino at the box office making a royal $5.25M at 3,221 theaters from Thursday previews. Industry projections for Spectre‘s opening have risen slightly since earlier in the week with a FSS of $75M-$80M, which would make the 24th 007 title the second highest opener in the franchise of all-time behind 2012’s Skyfall ($88.4M). Sony has the film much lower in its projections at $60M-$65M, however, many believe Spectre is much higher than that.' ---------------Less than $80 million? That's not what EON wants. I guess our opinions here will be deemed correct

Here's my predictions; the overall (worldwide) box office takings for Spectre, will surpass Skyfall. I dare say that the opening weekend, alone, in the U.S., will also, surpass Skyfall.

Spectre will be Daniel Craig's most successful Bond movie of all time. He will go on to make a 5th and 6th Bond movie, afterwards. Maybe, a 7th, which would be the absolute limit for him, given his current age-47. A 7th, in my opinion, would be a possibility. But, a 5th and 6th, would be highly probable.

[Gary Seven]

Deadline.com: 'Last night, Mr. Bond started knocking over the casino at the box office making a royal $5.25M at 3,221 theaters from Thursday previews. Industry projections for Spectre‘s opening have risen slightly since earlier in the week with a FSS of $75M-$80M, which would make the 24th 007 title the second highest opener in the franchise of all-time behind 2012’s Skyfall ($88.4M). Sony has the film much lower in its projections at $60M-$65M, however, many believe Spectre is much higher than that.' ---------------Less than $80 million? That's not what EON wants. I guess our opinions here will be deemed correct

Here's my predictions; the overall (worldwide) box office takings for Spectre, will surpass Skyfall. I dare say that the opening weekend, alone, in the U.S., will also, surpass Skyfall.

Spectre will be Daniel Craig's most successful Bond movie of all time. He will go on to make a 5th and 6th Bond movie, afterwards. Maybe, a 7th, which would be the absolute limit for him, given his current age-47. A 7th, in my opinion, would be a possibility. But, a 5th and 6th, would be highly probable.

Here is my prediction. Daniel Craig will make 10 more films, then when he dies Barbara Broccoli will get a taxidermist to stuff him and they will carry on making Bond films using audio from Craig's previous films.

[shaken not stirred]

Gary, trolley: You're both wrong, they'll either freeze him or clone him or like arnie in terminator salvation and part of the latest one that stunk after t2 (and should've really been left there) ie cgid (the cameo terminator from terminator 1 and...the cameo terminator from terminator 1 in both films.

[Kristatos]

I think they'll just stop making Bond films, because nobody could ever be as perfect as Craig.

[bjmdds]

Deadline.com: 2ND UPDATE, 12:15 PM: For 007, the box office, not diamonds, is forever. Industry projections have the opening weekend for Spectre at $80M — still the second-best James Bond opening behind Skyfall– with an eye on a $30M Friday. By the way, Skyfall made $30.5M on its opening day. Rentak’s PostTrak currently reports a heavily older-male audience for Spectre at 65% to ladies at 35%. Over 25 is 74%. Of those moviegoers polled, a leading 34% came out because it’s a franchise they like. 20th Century Fox’s The Peanuts Movie is also doing well with a $14M Friday and a weekend that is at least in the mid $40M range. Rival distribs think it could even get to $50M possibly.

[dirtybenny]

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHTGg6yIZmQ[/video]

...what is this I don't even, that gunbarrel for a start, great that it's finally back but it looks so....halfassed, Craig didn't do the bond walk right there either, along with the turn and that fight reminded Me more of austin powers when he fights one of doc evils henchmen in the original (ie ah my eyes, judo chop). Yes they put the music from ohmss in this clip but this seems to come across as more of a cartoon even more so than dad's last half (almost), I feel sorry for Bautista (brilliant in guardians of he galaxy).

When bond thought jaws in the spy who loved me he really came across as practically an unstoppable force, I just don't seem to feel it here and that's without what I think of this era he just doesn't seem to come across as dangerous as jaws and oddjob did.

Seeing this on the big screen only magnifies it, the gun is obviously already in Craig's hand, the fight is just more shaky cam fast cut rubbish.

[bjmdds]

MENDES: The strange thing is, one of the great things has been how Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson have been continuously supportive of the vision I brought. At the beginning, one of the things I said was, “If you don’t want me to acknowledge Bond’s aging, or allow me to do something like killing M, which seemed to me a great idea given where Judi Dench was in terms of her age…if you’re not going to let me do that, then get another director.” There would be no point in me doing this, when what got me going was the feeling I could do something new and interesting. To have this hopefully exciting action movie with the underpinning of a meditation on aging and mortality, loss and parents, and other stuff that interests me and emphasized the thing that Bond has always been light on. He’s always been very, very heavy on plot, but he’s been very light on story. There is no real story, only plot, and that to me is not a satisfying movie.

DEADLINE: Why?

MENDES: Character and story are everything. Plot is the mechanics of getting people from A to B, and working out how they meet and how they engage. As for the journeys they’re all on, that’s story, and there didn’t seem to be one. I was very clear and forthright about that, and they went with it. I think they were nervous, about Skyfall, that the audience would go, “Hang on a second. When we come to a Bond movie people want to escape. We don’t want to be told our wonderful hero is aging and looking like s**t, and that our beloved M is going to die. That wasn’t in the contract. Please don’t do that. You took me by surprise.” Instead, what happened was the audience felt an investment in Bond that they hadn’t before, a vulnerably perhaps they hadn’t seen before. And they wanted more. That made possible what happens in Spectre, where you take him another stage and you can have him considering walking away. I don’t think I could have done that in the Skyfall, but it became a natural development to the narrative as opposed to a kind of giant imposition.

[dirtybenny]

MENDES: ...That made possible what happens in Spectre, where you take him another stage and you can have him considering walking away. I don’t think I could have done that in the Skyfall, but it became a natural development to the narrative as opposed to a kind of giant imposition.

I don't know about "Bond" but I certainly have!

[Omega]

MENDES: ...That made possible what happens in Spectre, where you take him another stage and you can have him considering walking away. I don’t think I could have done that in the Skyfall, but it became a natural development to the narrative as opposed to a kind of giant imposition.

I don't know about "Bond" but I certainly have!

he pretty much walked away in the beginning of sf


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[Veronica]

"Heavy on the plot but very light on the story."
Someone should tell Mendes Bond movies were never made to be in the same category as Arnofsky's films.
And even Arnofsky made that YSL commercial and it was more of a Bond film than any "Bond" movie since the reboot.

[kater23]

Going to a 9:15( p.m.) showing tonight. It was sold out at the first,then the second theater we went to..so my dad and I opted for a later showing.

[The Sweeney]

Just saw it last night at the Gibraltar premier, and I thought it was superb. Not as good as Casino Royale (at the moment), but much better than Quantum and Skyfall.

Craig's best performance yet. He oozes cool in just about every scene, looking more McQueen than ever, and we finally have a Bond film which combines the gritty serious elements, plus the traditional gadget and humour elements successfully. This performance by Craig is on par with Connery in Thunderball.

Swann is by far the best Bond girl in a long time, and the love story is actually very convincing.

Soundtrack blew me away, the train fight has to be one of the best in the series, and loved the car chase. The torture scene was fairly horrific too, maybe worse than CR.

The only thing I'm not sure on is the ending (not the Aston bit, which was good), but the Thames helicopter chase. I need to see it again to decide on that one.

Overall, this is Craig meets Moore, and the most traditional Bond film from the Craig era.

[kater23]

Sorry, y'all but....
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I.Loved. It. I'm with Sweeney on the helicopter chase(one-I loved the one in the pre credits sequence) would have been sufficient. You also could see where they were going with C. a mile off(poor Andrew Scott..he's gonna keep getting cast as villains if he isn't careful..oh wait..)Lea Seydoux didn't completely work for me.

The big shocker was that the Blofeld reveal?not NEARLY as cheesy as it could have been..I don't wonder if they read some of the fanboy boards and so were aware of what a fustercluck it would be if they went for a completely true to the books imagining of Blofeld.I liked that they had him in a hole in the ground instead of the hollowed-out volcano cr@p.

My favorite bit?The pre-credits scene in Mexico. I am very familiar with The Day Of The Dead(I live in an area where it's a big deal).

[Kristatos]

The torture scene was fairly horrific too, maybe worse than CR.

You mean the scene where Blofeld tortures the audience by explaining his backstory and expecting them not to laugh?

[acid]

MENDES: Character and story are everything. Plot is the mechanics of getting people from A to B, and working out how they meet and how they engage. As for the journeys they’re all on, that’s story, and there didn’t seem to be one.

He's sure got a different idea of what a story is than I have. For me, the story is the whole thing - yes it includes character - but a strong, coherent plot is a key part of telling the tale as well. The story to me describes the mechanism by which the events of the film are reconstructed in your imagination as if they are really happening. Story is what brings it to life and is the whole point of watching. So, an illogical, incoherent plot, broken up by disjointed homages and product placement destroys any chance of it being a good story. The classic Bond films were engaging and flowed well. Even when the plots were a little outlandish they didn't give me the feeling I get in the modern movies which is that they've brainstormed a hundred disconnected ideas, strung them together at the last minute and then had focus groups perform risk assessments to ensure it appeals to every possible demographic of viewer. That does not a good story make.

Character? Just because Bond is constantly miserable and pouting does not mean I feel more invested in his character nor that the character somehow has a fascinating depth. Misery does not equal depth. For me, it equals boredom.

[Veronica]

MENDES: Character and story are everything. Plot is the mechanics of getting people from A to B, and working out how they meet and how they engage. As for the journeys they’re all on, that’s story, and there didn’t seem to be one.

He's sure got a different idea of what a story is than I have. For me, the story is the whole thing - yes it includes character - but a strong, coherent plot is a key part of telling the tale as well. The story to me describes the mechanism by which the events of the film are reconstructed in your imagination as if they are really happening. Story is what brings it to life and is the whole point of watching. So, an illogical, incoherent plot, broken up by disjointed homages and product placement destroys any chance of it being a good story. The classic Bond films were engaging and flowed well. Even when the plots were a little outlandish they didn't give me the feeling I get in the modern movies which is that they've brainstormed a hundred disconnected ideas, strung them together at the last minute and then had focus groups perform risk assessments to ensure it appeals to every possible demographic of viewer. That does not a good story make.

Character? Just because Bond is constantly miserable and pouting does not mean I feel more invested in his character nor that the character somehow has a fascinating depth. Misery does not equal depth. For me, it equals boredom.

+1. Perfectly said.