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Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:
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Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:Maybe it's just me, but after reading 007's post at the top of the page, i'm glad that Billington didn't get the role. There's something about the way he comes across (in the written word, at least), that rubs me up the wrong way. Almost as if he thought Bond was beneath him.

As for Rupert Friend, it wouldn't be the first time an actor has tested or been offered the role, only to get it a few years later.
Like Dalton & Brosnan...
Indeed. But just because Cubby never forgot a potential Bond, doesn't mean Barbara will be the same (she cast Craig, afterall, something I can't image Cubby ever doing). For what it's worth, i've come across some reviews of the Hitman film, that praise Friend as the best part of it. And seeing as a sequel is unlikely, it's not as if he's tied to another film series.
FANTASTIC "screentest" for him. :up: :up:
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2005.

Wilsons choice: Julian McMahon (too old now)
Campbells choice: Henry Cavill (too famous now)

Rupert Friend is not too old or famous.

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dirtybenny wrote:
The Saint 007 wrote:I hate it when some of the reviewers say how Spectre is "going back to the crappy style of the Moore era".
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I'm all for the return of a Moore/Connery style Bond film, but this isn't the way to do it.
I'm with you 100% Saint! I too am disturbed the the apparent pass the critics are giving " James I am your brother" while instead bemoaning the "return to Moore's camp". Now to be fair I'm sure its being done with the subtly of a jackhammer that EON is known for but its the least of this ffilm's sins.

I call this picture a dark storm cloud with a silver lining, tarnished black. The cloud being the ridiculous story and the lining the attempt to bring back some of the old Bond, but its tarnished black by the fact that its being done in such a hackneyed manner that the criticising of the finished product will justify the crashing back to CR levels of non Bond and more soul crushing despair from cinimatic funeral dirges!
bjmdds wrote:Broccoli won't go back to the old formula. She feels the critics will mock her into embarrassment. She now lives for their praise as a real Hollywoodie producer of a fine arts non-Bond film. She must be bought out for any hope of normalcy to return. Right now, I cannot stand this franchise :!: :fight:
Yeah, I agree with the above comments. The sad thing is though that the critics are giving this movie the right rating but for all the wrong reasons! If a classic Bond film were released today, say FYEO or YOLT or Dr No, it would be absolutely slated by the critics for being supposedly asinine, campy and not gritty or artsy enough. It wouldn't match the ratings of the earlier DC movies.

There may be a glimmer of seeing the light among the Craigski Bond fans though as I noticed that even on that Mi6 thread linked to earlier, some of them are lamenting the criticism of the classic Bond elements. I also noticed they try to defend the RT rating by saying that all the Top Critics rated it better. Well maybe that's because the Top Critics buy into all the pretentious, art student, bulls**t and just want to make a pay check by toeing the party line. They buy into the hype because they are a key part of it. Or they're just being paid to shill.
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dirtybenny wrote:I'm with you 100% Saint! I too am disturbed the the apparent pass the critics are giving " James I am your brother" while instead bemoaning the "return to Moore's camp". Now to be fair I'm sure its being done with the subtly of a jackhammer that EON is known for but its the least of this ffilm's sins.
Exactly, Benny. While there are certain reviewers who have the sense to point out the issue of Blofeld as Bond's foster brother along with how the modern Bond formula is getting stale, the majority of reviewers are too focused on taking tired cheap shots at Roger Moore. Insert the Plan 9 From Outer Space "stupid minds" quote here:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qro7oBzUBos[/video]

I get that the humour in the Moore era may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I think this crap with Blofeld is far worse than some gags that not only last for seconds of screen time, but can be easily edited out. This is like a pretentious version of Austin Powers, the parody that supposedly killed the series and is the common insult used against the classic Bond films. Don't these reviewers see the irony here?

So many years of fighting to gain the rights of Blofeld/Spectre back, only for EON use them in the most ridiculous way. How the snob critics and so-called Fleming purists go along with this is unbelievable.
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dirtybenny wrote:I'm with you 100% Saint! I too am disturbed the the apparent pass the critics are giving " James I am your brother" while instead bemoaning the "return to Moore's camp". Now to be fair I'm sure its being done with the subtly of a jackhammer that EON is known for but its the least of this ffilm's sins.
Exactly, Benny. While there are certain reviewers who have the sense to point out the issue of Blofeld as Bond's foster brother along with how the modern Bond formula is getting stale, the majority of reviewers are too focused on taking tired cheap shots at Roger Moore. Insert the Plan 9 From Outer Space "stupid minds" quote here:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qro7oBzUBos[/video]

I get that the humour in the Moore era may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I think this crap with Blofeld is far worse than some gags that not only last for seconds of screen time, but can be easily edited out. This is like a pretentious version of Austin Powers, the parody that supposedly killed the series and is the common insult used against the classic Bond films. Don't these reviewers see the irony here?

So many years of fighting to gain the rights of Blofeld/Spectre back, only for EON use them in the most ridiculous way. How the snob critics and so-called Fleming purists go along with this is unbelievable.
There are so many things in Daniel's movies I thought "purest" would surly object to only to have them whinge about something else ultimately insignificant. This new gripe that they are apeing Roger's 007 is a puzzler because there are so many things in the script that prove this incarnation of the movies is not Bond, which should be the number one complaint not they misused old elements from the movies.

The meme about Daniel being 'Ian Fleming's' Bond is too incredible to be taken seriously and yet it was. So many will spout off casually that meme as if it were fact, usually if I ask if they read the novels they have not, or maybe not in years.
I can see where for example in Casino many credited the remedial 007 as being closer to Ian Flmeing's however if they had read the book there are so many differences it becomes harder and harder to defend that position. Somehow that chasm became the moral high ground for EON supporters to barricade themselves upon. I have to credit the social media, wikipedia age as helping define the current era, the information casually obtained and social group think trump reality.

I believe it comes down to wanting to be entertained, the notion that this sideshow is the 007 works because this what people were told to expect. EON can cobble together a half decent actioner in their sleep, most of what they do is plan out action scenes and fill in the gaps with scraps of story at the last minute. Usually does not make much sense, then again it never really has. If the audience was mildly amused and could follow along to connect the dots to get picture they seem to be willing to give them a pass on the utter rubbish excreted on the screen.
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I see interviews with Daniel were he says I'm not gone yet. I didn't bother reading them, I know what he is going to say and how he thinks there are no consequences for him. I know that the can bring him back if they want to, the audience seem over him with SPECTRE. Unlike Die another Day which was supposedly so bad they couldn't make another film (instead they offer up four non Bond films with two of them worse the Die), SPECTRE really does seem to be a tipping point where the audience expects something new and retooled, again a danger of having done the reboot. Now the audience expects a shake up after a disappointing movie.

On a aside note I've never read so many reviews where people had the impression that Bond was sick of his world and life, not just the actor, which is well known how fed up Daniel is. The Bond movies stopped being fun with him and it seems like he killed the last bit of fun with this movie.
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This whole story with head of Spectre being Bond's brother is beyond disgraceful. How can anyone buy that and think Craig is the one that brought Fleming's Bond on the big screen is beyond me. Pardon me,but Bond didn't sulk all the time in the novels. He excluded emotions that were fitting the situations. In the end,Bond in the novels(and in films IMO) was a silhouette and this quasi-exploring of the character(*snort*) is not what makes Fleming's Bond. But it seems people think when something is more serious it's immediately complexed and it's exploring the character and of course that usually comes from the books. Seriously...
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SF was on the SyFy channel here last night. I TRIED to watch it but after 10 minutes I could not stand looking at Cr-egg's face and shut it off. I literally cannot stand Cr-gg as an actor, especially portraying Bond. Would ANY of the prior 5 Bond actors allowed Broccoli to dress them up in drag for that PSA? I doubt it. Cr-egg's foray into co-producing has resulted in a bomb script and the writers should all be fired with WB taking over the decision making.
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The Saint 007 wrote:I get that the humour in the Moore era may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I think this crap with Blofeld is far worse than some gags that not only last for seconds of screen time, but can be easily edited out. This is like a pretentious version of Austin Powers, the parody that supposedly killed the series and is the common insult used against the classic Bond films. Don't these reviewers see the irony here?

So many years of fighting to gain the rights of Blofeld/Spectre back, only for EON use them in the most ridiculous way. How the snob critics and so-called Fleming purists go along with this is unbelievable.
Yes sir Saint, the irony isn't lost on me either! Funny how EON felt compelled to "throw the baby out with the bath water" after DAD because as Craig so eloquently put it "Austin Powers fucked us." And yet here we have a "gritty" remake of Austin Powers 3! I suppose C is the titular Goldmember, M will be revealed as their father, who explains how young Ernst was kidnaped by a mental boulangerie owner and a French prostitute with webbed feet named Chloe, and Moneypenny with play the Foxxy Cleopatra role(Outa sight!).

Blowfeld wrote:The meme about Daniel being 'Ian Fleming's' Bond is too incredible to be taken seriously and yet it was. So many will spout off casually that meme as if it were fact, usually if I ask if they read the novels they have not, or maybe not in years.
I can see where for example in Casino many credited the remedial 007 as being closer to Ian Flmeing's however if they had read the book there are so many differences it becomes harder and harder to defend that position. Somehow that chasm became the moral high ground for EON supporters to barricade themselves upon. I have to credit the social media, wikipedia age as helping define the current era, the information casually obtained and social group think trump reality.

I believe it comes down to wanting to be entertained, the notion that this sideshow is the 007 works because this what people were told to expect. EON can cobble together a half decent actioner in their sleep, most of what they do is plan out action scenes and fill in the gaps with scraps of story at the last minute. Usually does not make much sense, then again it never really has. If the audience was mildly amused and could follow along to connect the dots to get picture they seem to be willing to give them a pass on the utter rubbish excreted on the screen.
Yeah Blofeld, It all comes down to if you repeat something enough times if becomes fact, like how Craig is "the best actor to play Bond" despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Blowfeld wrote:On a aside note I've never read so many reviews where people had the impression that Bond was sick of his world and life, not just the actor, which is well known how fed up Daniel is. The Bond movies stopped being fun with him and it seems like he killed the last bit of fun with this movie.
It's a sad day when the international man of mystery is sick of his existence!
bjmdds wrote:SF was on the SyFy channel here last night. I TRIED to watch it but after 10 minutes I could not stand looking at Cr-egg's face and shut it off. I literally cannot stand Cr-gg as an actor, especially portraying Bond. Would ANY of the prior 5 Bond actors allowed Broccoli to dress them up in drag for that PSA? I doubt it. Cr-egg's foray into co-producing has resulted in a bomb script and the writers should all be fired with WB taking over the decision making.
Yeah BJ, I don't even put that one on, and I can sit through QOS!
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Blowfeld wrote:I see interviews with Daniel were he says I'm not gone yet. I didn't bother reading them, I know what he is going to say and how he thinks there are no consequences for him. I know that the can bring him back if they want to, the audience seem over him with SPECTRE. Unlike Die another Day which was supposedly so bad they couldn't make another film (instead they offer up four non Bond films with two of them worse the Die), SPECTRE really does seem to be a tipping point where the audience expects something new and retooled, again a danger of having done the reboot. Now the audience expects a shake up after a disappointing movie.

On a aside note I've never read so many reviews where people had the impression that Bond was sick of his world and life, not just the actor, which is well known how fed up Daniel is. The Bond movies stopped being fun with him and it seems like he killed the last bit of fun with this movie.
Spectre's ending was such an obvious set up. They should just change Dr Swann's name to Tracy Bond.

I hope everyone will be excited for the fun, happy film that will be!!
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Rt has climbed to 67%
My guess is it will settle to 64-65% when all the release dates are hit and it's not just preview screenings being reviewed .


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Broccoli had some underlings sign on and praise it.
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I like this review on metacritic of spectre (oh yeah its also negative :D cough 38 cough :lol: )

At the center of the film, like a man trying to pull a donkey out of a peat bog, stands Craig: inexpressive, uninflected and obviously tired. Perhaps he’s trying to play a chap who never allows himself access to his emotions, for fear loved ones may be snatched away, but he just looks like an actor who wishes he could quit his job.
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Over the Friday-to-Sunday official weekend period, the tally of Spectre falls to just shy of £20m. That’s a gigantic number, but it falls short of the £23.75m earned by Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 on its opening weekend in July 2011. It’s also just below the £20.18m earned by Skyfall on its opening weekend in October 2012.
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“Spectre” is one of the most expensive movies ever made, and while the 24th film in the James Bond series is off to a sizzling start in parts of Europe, it needs to be a massive box office hit in order to turn a profit.

With a price tag of $250 million, plus more than $100 million in marketing and promotion costs, industry executives predict that the picture will have to do $650 million to break even. That’s because “Spectre’s” backers, a group that includes Metro-Goldwyn-Meyer and Eon Productions, will have to split revenues with exhibitors. Fewer than 90 films have ever achieved that gross globally and only one other Bond film, “Skyfall,” has ever surpassed that mark.

Of course, there are other ancillary sources of income, including television deals and home entertainment sales, that would cushion the blow should “Spectre” fall short of that lofty figure.
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bjmdds wrote:Brent Lang
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“Spectre” is one of the most expensive movies ever made, and while the 24th film in the James Bond series is off to a sizzling start in parts of Europe, it needs to be a massive box office hit in order to turn a profit.

With a price tag of $250 million, plus more than $100 million in marketing and promotion costs, industry executives predict that the picture will have to do $650 million to break even. That’s because “Spectre’s” backers, a group that includes Metro-Goldwyn-Meyer and Eon Productions, will have to split revenues with exhibitors. Fewer than 90 films have ever achieved that gross globally and only one other Bond film, “Skyfall,” has ever surpassed that mark.

Of course, there are other ancillary sources of income, including television deals and home entertainment sales, that would cushion the blow should “Spectre” fall short of that lofty figure.
and we know the haven't spent that much on p&a since LTK .

It will be $100 million to just distribute the movie n the us Canada and uk . George Lucas and red tails lost money on just getting to the theaters


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Spectre isn’t just a bad movie, it’s a betrayal of everything the Bond franchise has accomplished since the series was rebooted in 2006 with Casino Royale. It’s a bewildering mess of a story laced with shitty cliches - the film ends with not one but TWO digital timer countdowns! - and riddled with crummy editing that reduces action scenes to tedium. It’s not funny but it is also not serious and, along the way, it diminishes James Bond and ruins one of his great villains.

This review will contain spoilers about the villain.

With Skyfall completing the table setting for this new Daniel Craig Bond franchise, Spectre should have been a straight out the gate adventure that dove us deep back into the kind of story that defined the character for decades. Instead this film is yet more table setting, an uninspired and lazy attempt to connect the previous three films under the banner of a super secret evil organization that is poorly defined and spectacularly uninteresting. One part Star Trek Into Darkness rehash, one part Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation rehash, one part artless cash-in on Edward Snowden, Spectre sluggishly (and often illogically) trudges from location to location, occasionally stopping to have a poorly edited action sequence and/or have Bond f**k somebody.

Acting on the last wishes of the previous M, Bond has gone rogue in tracking down an international assassin. Meanwhile, changes in the structure of British intelligence sees the new M dealing with the possible shutdown of his Double Oh program, to be replaced by a massive digital information collection system being run by a dude who is so squirrelly he’s quite clearly a bad guy. As Bond tracks this assassin he becomes aware that the man served an overarching evil group, and then a bunch of action scenes happen and at the end of the movie a building blows up.

Spectre operates on rails; characters make logical leaps that astound me (Bond discovers the hierarchy of SPECTRE by letting Q analyze a SPECTRE membership ring and somehow the group’s org chart is encoded in the DNA of the last wearer. What the hell?) and they just walk into scenes that seem to have little connective tissue to the last sequence. The plot itself is a watered down parody of a Bond plot, one where the villain knows everything Bond is doing and, for Bond villain reasons, helps our hero get to his secret hideout at the end. The bad guy even monologues for a bit, the kind of thing that Alan Moore and Dr. Evil made utterly declasse.

There is no sense of discovery or excitement underpinning Spectre, and it’s one of those movies where the film withholds information from the audience for no good reason. When 007 infiltrates a SPECTRE meeting he comes face to face with the group’s leader, who looks at him and says “CUCKOO!!” and then we spend the next 90 minutes unsure what the point of that was. Bond knows, the bad guy knows, the movie just opts to not tell us.

Let’s get this out of the way: that bad guy is Blofeld, the classic archnemesis of James Bond. Except he’s actually Franz Oberhauser, whose dad raised Bond after our hero’s parents died in a climbing accident. Young Franz hated having this cooler kid around (the cuckoo refers to the way cuckoos lay their eggs in other birds’ nests) and so he killed his dad, faked his own death and became Blofeld. There’s a part where Blofeld tells Bond his new name and it has exactly the weight of Khan announcing himself in Star Trek Into Darkness - nobody onscreen has any connection to the name, so they don’t care, and for the audience it’s nothing more than a nostalgic callback. It's made doubly pointlessly nostalgic by the presence of a cat, who shows up only for this scene.

Blofeld being Bond’s foster brother is pointless as the two characters share very little screen time. Christoph Waltz plays Blofeld, and in grand ‘Christoph Waltz when he’s not in a Quentin Tarantino film’ tradition he is utterly wasted and sort of terrible. You get what Waltz is trying to do, and you know what the movie wants him to do, but the script simply doesn’t give him the material with which to work. The movie tries to update the standard Bond death trap stuff (Blofeld ties him to the world’s worst acupuncture chair) but the speech Waltz must deliver is uninspired, and so the soothing delivery that makes him menacing in films like Inglorious Basterds or totally awesome in Django Unchained just makes him sound like a particularly boring dentist.

It’s baffling to me that the film would do so little with the character of Blofeld and even less with his new relationship to Bond. By keeping Blofeld’s identity a secret the film denies Bond any real emotional fallout from the revelation - he sees Oberhauser, he gets chased out of the SPECTRE meeting and he asks Moneypenny to look into whether or not the guy really died. There’s no oomph to it, no sense that this is a betrayal or that the return of Oberhauser impacts Bond in any way at all.

The script - a really dismal piece of work credited to John Logan, Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and Jez Butterworth - tries to lend Blofeld importance by having him be the guy behind all the villains from the last three films. The movie accomplishes this by having Blofeld say he’s the guy behind all the villains from the last three films, which is not only dramatically unsatisfying but also logically implausible. There’s no moment where Blofeld pulls the pieces together and explains the grand plan, the big scheme, the reason for any of these disparate foes coming at Bond at any given time - he just asserts that it was him all along and then moves on to another monologue.

Worst of all, this revelation is treated with a shrug by both Bond and the audience. It comes so late in the picture that you’d have to be brain dead to have not figured out what’s happening, and this foregone conclusion makes the big moment in Blofeld’s secret base have an airless, pointless quality. Here’s the part of the film where we explain everything, and then blow something up after a really, really boring shoot out, the movie says.

Spectre gets back to more of the classical Bond stuff, but maybe that’s a bad thing. Blofeld’s desert base - shades of Quantum of Solace - is fine but the sequence where Bond kills Monica Bellucci’s husband, goes to his funeral, talks to her there and then goes back to her place and f***s her is mind-bogglingly retrograde AND dumb. Nobody in these scenes is acting like a human being or even an archetype, they’re like robots with s**t wiring. The sad part is that Craig and Bellucci make a great couple, but their time together is short and pointless.

This same problem crops up later in the relationship between Bond and Lea Seydoux’s Madeleine Swann. The two of them team up to find SPECTRE for reasons far too boring to get into here, but the big surprise of it all comes at the end of the movie when we learn that the chemistry-free relationship between these two has been a love story! Setting aside the lack of sparks between Seydoux and Craig, the script gives the duo no sequences that even begin to sketch the arc of a relationship.

The misbegotten script, sick with cliches and plot gaps, wouldn’t matter if the action were up to the modern standard, but that just isn’t the case. There are some good action sequences, but many of them are bizarrely slack; a sequence with a helicopter doing flips over a Day of the Dead crowd in Mexico City is almost bizarrely humdrum. There’s a bit where Bond has crashed the wings off a plane and is careening down the side of a ski slope towards a thick copse of trees that has all the tension and excitement of waiting for a bus. Again and again the action scenes deflate, and many have issues of slight geographic incoherence that keeps them from really popping.

One action sequence that works is a fight between Bond and Hinx, a SPECTRE assassin played by Dave Bautista. Hinx, with his silver guitar pick thumb nails, is without a doubt the best thing in this movie, and he is in the two best action sequences. One is a fancy sports car chase in Rome and the other is the aforementioned fight, a brutal brawl on a train. Bautista brings all of his wrestling menace and physicality to the role, and he’s a pretty classic henchmen type villain. He is, actually, a better villain than Blofeld because I actually know what Hinx wants to achieve while Blofeld’s plot is amorphous.

Spectre isn’t just dumb and filled with bad action, it’s also unconscionably long, and the climax at Blofeld’s base is followed by another climax or two that feel like they belong in the Pierce Brosnan era of Bond. The climaxes themselves aren’t bad (and the film’s ending isn’t bad, just totally unearned and one that hinges on Bond having a crisis of conscience he has never exhibited before) but they’re set up and shot like scenes from a 90s movie. Maybe that’s the kind of nostalgia we have now.

The ending of Skyfall promised a new Bond that hit the pulp highs of Sean Connery’s reign, but Spectre does not deliver on that. It’s a mid-90s Bond movie without much style or fun or weird scifi. Director Sam Mendes is drowning under the weight of a bad script and a film that has almost no central story but that drags along for two and a half hours anyway. This movie feels like it’s trying to cram in a lot of Bond signifiers, but it’s only able to grasp the cliches - the very cliches that Casino Royale killed. This was supposed to be a different Bond, one more suited to the modern era, but Spectre has turned its back on that Bond. All of the character depth given to the character in previous films has been reduced to - I s**t you not - Bond looking at photocopied pictures of the faces of people he killed/saw die in previous films.

Is this the end of the new Bond franchise? Daniel Craig has one more movie on his contract, but I am no longer particularly excited to see what happens with the character next. The film ends on a note that could rehabilitate the franchise - there’s yet hope - but Spectre feels like Star Trek Into Darkness in that it’s a film that puts a stake through the heart of my interest. All of the goodwill that has been built up has vanished, something even the dismal Quantum of Solace couldn’t accomplish. The next Bond film - and there will be another - needs to course correct something fierce, needs to find a muscular story that has twists and turns, needs to remind Daniel Craig that he can be charming once in a while, needs to find a decent editor. It also needs to leave the hentai tentacle porn out of the opening credits, or otherwise work actual tentacle porn into the movie itself. One or the other.
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It's been 53 years since the first James Bond film, "Dr. No," arrived in theaters, and so many have followed in its wake that if you watched all of them back to back without a break, it would take two full days of your life. So if "Spectre," the 24th and latest Bond extravaganza, comes off as exhausted and uninspired — and it does — it's not without cause.

The Bond films' canny masterminds at Eon Productions are well aware that this kind of burnout is a possibility with a series this venerable, which is why there are frequent changes of both star (the current Bond, Daniel Craig, is the sixth they've hired) and director.

But like a baseball team leaving its starting pitcher in a World Series game too long (no names, please), the folks at Eon went to the well once too often with both Craig ("Spectre" is his fourth Bond) and director Sam Mendes, doing his second.

Not even the addition of another writer (Jez Butterworth) to the team of John Logan plus Neal Purvis and Robert Wade, which wrote the previous, stronger "Skyfall," can shake the lassitude that hangs over a production with a budget that's been estimated in the $250-million to $300-million range.

Yes, some of the individual stunts and action set pieces temporarily hold our interest — at that cost, they'd better — but the story itself is not convincing on its own terms, playing like a series of boxes (Bond asking for a martini shaken not stirred) that need to be checked off and forgotten.

Part of the problem is that Craig, a potent actor whose resume includes Steven Spielberg's "Munich" and playing the poet Ted Hughes in "Sylvia," seems to be feeling increasingly strait-jacketed as Bond. When an actor tells a journalist, as Craig told Time Out London, that he'd rather "break this glass and slash my wrists" than play Bond one more time, that is not a good sign.

When Craig took on the role in 2006's "Casino Royale," his rougher-edged, less-flippant Bond felt like a breath of fresh air, but almost a decade later it's gone stale. Craig's expression is so unchanging it might as well be chiseled out of stone, and his emotionally uninvolved performance is similarly lacking in nuance.

In theory, director Mendes, whose previous films include the Oscar-winning "American Beauty," could have done something about this, but he may have been too busy worrying about the fearsome logistics of an enormous production that went to Mexico City, Rome, Austria and Morocco as well as London to be able expend much time on anything else.

Mexico City is where "Spectre" opens, on a Day of the Dead celebration so elaborate that it took 3 1/2 hours every shooting day to get the crowd of more than 1,500 extras prepared.

Though he turns out to be there unofficially, Bond is busy in Mexico City, stopping a terrorist plot, avoiding getting crushed by a collapsing building, commandeering a careening helicopter and, most important, getting hold of an important ring.

That metal band, with a symbol of a malignant-looking octopus on it, turns out to be the key to the rest of the plot. It's the symbol for Spectre, an organization that simply reeks of evil and must be stopped if humanity has any chance to survive and prosper.

Back home in London, Bond has other problems to deal with. His boss, M (Ralph Fiennes), is irked at his Mexican adventure ("I was taking some overdue holiday" is the agent's cheeky reply), and M's new boss, Max Denbigh (Andrew Scott), the head of the Center for National Security and a worshiper at the altar of 24/7 surveillance, has the temerity to suggest that the double-0 program may be obsolete.

Nothing daunted, Bond calls on the help of old comrades Moneypenny (Naomie Harris) and Q (Ben Whishaw), who, using the inevitable "cutting edge nano-technology," injects Agent 007 with "smart blood" that means he can be tracked down anywhere should he get into trouble, which is likely.

Thus empowered on his quest to stop Spectre, Bond encounters a number of folks, including a not-so-grieving widow (Monica Bellucci), a fellow assassin (Jesper Christensen) and Franz Oberhauser (Christoph Waltz), a mysterious individual with unexpected links to Bond's past.

Bond also meets up with the assassin's stunning daughter, Madeleine Swann (fine French actress Lea Seydoux). Though actual chemistry between the two actors is hard to see, "Spectre" insists they fall madly in love. It's very much that kind of a film.
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James Bonds, like great athletes, rarely exit the stage gracefully. Bonds always seem to go out on stinkers, like Michael Jordan playing for the Wizards.

“Spectre,” set up to be the Daniel Craig finale as Bond, isn’t a terrible installment in the franchise. It’s the lightest of the Craig Bonds — no sin in that. But like the end of Connery, the exit of Roger Moore and the layoff notice given Pierce Brosnan, it’s a tired, trite “greatest hits” re-packaging of stunts, chases and fights from earlier, better Bonds.

It’s terrible only in that it’s a terrible fall off from “Skyfall.”

The new M (Ralph Fiennes) may not approve of Bond’s epic shoot-out/blow-up/chopper chase in the middle of Mexico City’s Dia de la Muerta (Day of the Dead), one of the most heavily populated set pieces (with a doozy of a long-take tracking shot) in Bond history.

But his old boss, the last M (Judi Dench) would approve. She’s sent him after one last foe, of a conspiracy of foes.

“Kill him,” she says on her video after death. “And don’t miss the funeral.”

That sends Bond after The Pale King, and his daughter (Lea Seydoux), from Rome to Austria, London to Morocco. The context here is “global security,” a vast intelligence gathering collective that will be the end of privacy as we know it.

And since you’ve heard about the casting you know who the villain is — Christoph Waltz, a stretch. You have heard who he plays, and what his character likes in a pet.

Cliches abound, from the “From Russia With Love” heavy (Dave Bautista of “Guardians of the Galaxy”) battled in exactly the same set piece that Sean Connery battled Robert Shaw in that film, to the villain’s Nehru jacket and loafers without socks.

If you’re not laughing at the hero and the “Bond Girl” unpacking their evening wear for dinner on board an overnight train through Morocco, it’s only because you’re not in on the joke.

Waltz is introduced, and disappears for two thirds of the movie. He phones it in when he’s on screen.

Monica Bellucci turns up as the bed-able widow MILF (Moll I”d like to…) Bond entices early on.

Most of the weaker Bond films are the ones that make a little too much use of the quizzically comical Q, played to amusing effect by Ben Whishaw in this series. He doesn’t hurt the movie so much as indicate that six credited screenwriters couldn’t think of anything else for their McQueen-ish tough guy (who wears his suits and vests a size too small) to do.

The best lines are given to peripheral characters, which must have irked Waltz no end.

“You’re a kite dancing in a hurricane, Mr. Bond.”

Director Sam Mendes cut corners on sound effects, which kills the joy of an Aston Martin DB-10 being chased by a Jaguar C-X75 through the empty streets of Rome, two hulking behemoths tearing through narrow alleys in near silence.

At least the ingrate Craig, rightfully dismissing this role in some recent interviews, learned to drive a stick shift doing this.

A brawl that ends with the damsel in distress asking, “What do we do NOW?” may be the biggest howler in the script. Epic explosions that aren’t (epic), big set-pieces that don’t dazzle and attempts at wrapping this entire series into one neat, limp package aren’t assets.

Even the Sam whathisname theme song just hangs there over the arty/erotic opening credits, instantly forgettable.

You can’t say that about the Craig-Bond years. The action amped up, and the tough-guy seriousness worked, even if he never quite had the Connery-Brosnan blend of sadism-plus-silly that makes the character work.

But “Spectre” doesn’t make us long for Craig taking another shot at Bond, or puzzle over who might get the World’s Greatest Secret Agent Role next. It just makes you wish you had those last two and a half hours back, so you could watch “Thunderball” and “Live and Let Die” and “Goldeneye” again, and at least enjoy the theme song.
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It's back down to 65% on RT.

I wonder if the same people damning sp in their reviews could go back and actually watch cr again if they could still praise it highly . Or if they just tick the boxes , cr , must be good even though it's not really James Bond and the actor still has only on expression


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