Main reason why Craig is not Bond..

[Skywalker]

The poll reflects the thread title.

Next time try not to make the 4 options so close. I chose Interpretation is just "not Bond as it pretty much covers everything.

[English Agent]

Good idea 'Mr Stromberg'.

Like to see which category you anti-craigers go for.

Incidently, shouldn't there be a fifth category, which says 'He's OK'

Otherwise, ME, Captain Nash, Sweeney, Stocks... etc cant vote!!!

EA

I'm sure those 4 options appeal to you. Search your feelings EA you know it to be true.

If i was being super critical...............the one thing i would admit to about
Craig as Bond, is that he is a little short..............but i cant tick any of the
boxes.........or i would have to shoot myself!!

[Skywalker]

Good idea 'Mr Stromberg'.

Like to see which category you anti-craigers go for.

Incidently, shouldn't there be a fifth category, which says 'He's OK'

Otherwise, ME, Captain Nash, Sweeney, Stocks... etc cant vote!!!

EA

I'm sure those 4 options appeal to you. Search your feelings EA you know it to be true.

If i was being super critical...............the one thing i would admit to about
Craig as Bond, is that he is a little short.

Carl might just add that option for you.

[carl stromberg]

Added "Too short" option for Arthur.

Changed "Interpretation is just "not Bond"" to "lacks Bond essense" - which is available in the home bakery section of all good supermarkets.

[English Agent]

.................i've just voted. Noooooooooooooo

What have i done

[paco chaos]

the main reason I don't find Craig to be Bond is that he doesn't seem to be portraying the same character that I grew up watching on the screen. much less the Bond that I have been reading more recently. the lack of culture, which was not in the book Casino Royale, is one that I take issue with. Bond in that particular adventure was described as being very particular about his meals and only wanted the best he could have. the reboot of the character as seen in the film didn't jive with any Bond that I have encountered thus far.
but the looks issue is a part of that. Fleming described Bond as being unusually tall, average build, with dark hair, greyish blue eyes, and movie star good looks.

[Commander 0077]

the main reason I don't find Craig to be Bond is that he doesn't seem to be portraying the same character that I grew up watching on the screen. much less the Bond that I have been reading more recently. the lack of culture, which was not in the book Casino Royale, is one that I take issue with. Bond in that particular adventure was described as being very particular about his meals and only wanted the best he could have. the reboot of the character as seen in the film didn't jive with any Bond that I have encountered thus far.
but the looks issue is a part of that. Fleming described Bond as being unusually tall, average build, with dark hair, greyish blue eyes, and movie star good looks.

I've forgotten that Fleming's Bond also does not have bulging muscles. I think several Bond girls describe him as slim and hard or something, and also brown or sunburnt. I've read all the books; 007 is particular about his breakfast, and May his housekeeper prepares his eggs 'just so.' But his other meals are nothing fancy, except when he's abroad on a mission. On his height, he is around six feet, so he's not unusually tall. Even for that era, that would just be 'tall.' And to beat a dead horse, he is good looking, resembling Hoagy Carmichael. And to the second horse, the new 'reboot' hardly resembles the Fleming Bond or the previous quarter century of Bond films. But I accept the opinions of those who do believe that Craig is James Bond. But there are two kinds of belief, Mr Bond. One, a belief based on a fact, and a belief based on a non-fact. Mr L can believe gravity doesn't apply to him, but if Mr L chooses to leap off a cliff, his belief will not save him. Mwahaahahhaaahhaaa

[The Sweeney]

the main reason I don't find Craig to be Bond is that he doesn't seem to be portraying the same character that I grew up watching on the screen. much less the Bond that I have been reading more recently. the lack of culture, which was not in the book Casino Royale, is one that I take issue with. Bond in that particular adventure was described as being very particular about his meals and only wanted the best he could have. the reboot of the character as seen in the film didn't jive with any Bond that I have encountered thus far.
but the looks issue is a part of that. Fleming described Bond as being unusually tall, average build, with dark hair, greyish blue eyes, and movie star good looks.

I've forgotten that Fleming's Bond also does not have bulging muscles. I think several Bond girls describe him as slim and hard or something, and also brown or sunburnt. I've read all the books; 007 is particular about his breakfast, and May his housekeeper prepares his eggs 'just so.' But his other meals are nothing fancy, except when he's abroad on a mission. On his height, he is around six feet, so he's not unusually tall. Even for that era, that would just be 'tall.' And to beat a dead horse, he is good looking, resembling Hoagy Carmichael. And to the second horse, the new 'reboot' hardly resembles the Fleming Bond or the previous quarter century of Bond films. But I accept the opinions of those who do believe that Craig is James Bond. But there are two kinds of belief, Mr Bond. One, a belief based on a fact, and a belief based on a non-fact. Mr L can believe gravity doesn't apply to him, but if Mr L chooses to leap off a cliff, his belief will not save him. Mwahaahahhaaahhaaa

It is true what you are saying. Bond was slim, dark-haired. Athletic is probably more how Fleming described Bond, rather than bulging muscles.

Yet there is something about Craig that reminds me more of the Flmeing Bond than any of the other actors to portray him. Why? I'm not sure exactly. I am more a fan of the novels than the films anyway, so this is one subject I am passionate about.

I think it is the ice-cold killer look he has, with those blue eyes too. I always imagined the Bond of the novels to actually look quite menacing, not that friendly. SMERSH think this when they study a photo of him, Bond girls often think it when looking at him (in TSWLM, Vivian at first thinks Bond is another villain on first sight of him).

All the other Bond's are more handsome, but also look more friendly too. Craig looks far more cold, cruel, ruthless - descriptions also tallying with the book Bond. The muscular part doesn't really bother me either. In this day and age, audiences wouldn't expect a trained professional killer to be a skinny waif. I doubt very much the Bond book was either, even if he was decribed as slim. Look at Craig's waist when arriving at the Bahamas during the car park scene - his waist is what I would define as slim.

Again, novel interpretations are down to personal opinion, as we've discussed before. Your version of OHMSS is different to mine, for instance, when you read the exclamation marks of Bond's thoughts (God Almighty!! Now he really had had it!! etc.) you found this humourous - I on the other hand found this gripping, tense, dramatic.

[Kristatos]

All the other Bond's are more handsome, but also look more friendly too. Craig looks far more cold, cruel, ruthless - descriptions also tallying with the book Bond.

Part of the fascination of Bond is that he's Batman and Bruce Wayne rolled into one. On the surface, he appears to be this slightly foppish playboy, but when he's doing his job, he's a ruthless professional killer. Craig's slightly scary appearance removes that contradiction and, to me, makes the character less interesting as a result.

The muscular part doesn't really bother me either. In this day and age, audiences wouldn't expect a trained professional killer to be a skinny waif.

They seem to have accepted Matt Damon as Bourne.

[Jedi007]

I've vote for "lacks Bond essence". Like what I've been saying since I came here, I could go past the looks, although I will agree to what John Drake said here that even though some women considers Craig as handsome, his looks is not just the same with what the whole world (not just the west side of the globe) considers as handsome. He just doesn't have that classical 60's looks. From what I know some women were crazy over Craig because he's "the sexiest man in the room", not "the handsomest and the most charming guy in the room". In fact, someone here was asked if he want to look like Craig, but the reply is "I wish I could have his body".

All the other Bond's are more handsome, but also look more friendly too. Craig looks far more cold, cruel, ruthless - descriptions also tallying with the book Bond.

Part of the fascination of Bond is that he's Batman and Bruce Wayne rolled into one. On the surface, he appears to be this slightly foppish playboy, but when he's doing his job, he's a ruthless professional killer. Craig's slightly scary appearance removes that contradiction and, to me, makes the character less interesting as a result.

The muscular part doesn't really bother me either. In this day and age, audiences wouldn't expect a trained professional killer to be a skinny waif.

They seem to have accepted Matt Damon as Bourne.

I am going to agree to what Kris has just said, in fact I've been thinking of the comparison of Bond with Batman for a long time.

[The Sweeney]

Part of the fascination of Bond is that he's Batman and Bruce Wayne rolled into one. On the surface, he appears to be this slightly foppish playboy, but when he's doing his job, he's a ruthless professional killer. Craig's slightly scary appearance removes that contradiction and, to me, makes the character less interesting as a result.

I never really see Bond as an alter-ego, Bruce Wayne style in the book. To me he is just Bond. A trained killer who likes good food, drink, fast cars and women. He's never been described as a slightly foppish playboy when not on duty. He's just Bond, no matter where or when he is.

They seem to have accepted Matt Damon as Bourne.

I don't see that much difference in build between Craig and Damon.

[James]

the main reason I don't find Craig to be Bond is that he doesn't seem to be portraying the same character that I grew up watching on the screen. much less the Bond that I have been reading more recently. the lack of culture, which was not in the book Casino Royale, is one that I take issue with. Bond in that particular adventure was described as being very particular about his meals and only wanted the best he could have. the reboot of the character as seen in the film didn't jive with any Bond that I have encountered thus far.
but the looks issue is a part of that. Fleming described Bond as being unusually tall, average build, with dark hair, greyish blue eyes, and movie star good looks.

I've forgotten that Fleming's Bond also does not have bulging muscles. I think several Bond girls describe him as slim and hard or something, and also brown or sunburnt. I've read all the books; 007 is particular about his breakfast, and May his housekeeper prepares his eggs 'just so.' But his other meals are nothing fancy, except when he's abroad on a mission. On his height, he is around six feet, so he's not unusually tall. Even for that era, that would just be 'tall.' And to beat a dead horse, he is good looking, resembling Hoagy Carmichael. And to the second horse, the new 'reboot' hardly resembles the Fleming Bond or the previous quarter century of Bond films. But I accept the opinions of those who do believe that Craig is James Bond. But there are two kinds of belief, Mr Bond. One, a belief based on a fact, and a belief based on a non-fact. Mr L can believe gravity doesn't apply to him, but if Mr L chooses to leap off a cliff, his belief will not save him. Mwahaahahhaaahhaaa

It is true what you are saying. Bond was slim, dark-haired. Athletic is probably more how Fleming described Bond, rather than bulging muscles.

Yet there is something about Craig that reminds me more of the Flmeing Bond than any of the other actors to portray him. Why? I'm not sure exactly. I am more a fan of the novels than the films anyway, so this is one subject I am passionate about.

I think it is the ice-cold killer look he has, with those blue eyes too. I always imagined the Bond of the novels to actually look quite menacing, not that friendly. SMERSH think this when they study a photo of him, Bond girls often think it when looking at him (in TSWLM, Vivian at first thinks Bond is another villain on first sight of him).

All the other Bond's are more handsome, but also look more friendly too. Craig looks far more cold, cruel, ruthless - descriptions also tallying with the book Bond. The muscular part doesn't really bother me either. In this day and age, audiences wouldn't expect a trained professional killer to be a skinny waif. I doubt very much the Bond book was either, even if he was decribed as slim. Look at Craig's waist when arriving at the Bahamas during the car park scene - his waist is what I would define as slim.

Again, novel interpretations are down to personal opinion, as we've discussed before. Your version of OHMSS is different to mine, for instance, when you read the exclamation marks of Bond's thoughts (God Almighty!! Now he really had had it!! etc.) you found this humourous - I on the other hand found this gripping, tense, dramatic.

Yes, that weird looking short bloke with the marbles in his mouth and ginger crewcut was Fleming's vision brought to life.

[The Sweeney]

the main reason I don't find Craig to be Bond is that he doesn't seem to be portraying the same character that I grew up watching on the screen. much less the Bond that I have been reading more recently. the lack of culture, which was not in the book Casino Royale, is one that I take issue with. Bond in that particular adventure was described as being very particular about his meals and only wanted the best he could have. the reboot of the character as seen in the film didn't jive with any Bond that I have encountered thus far.
but the looks issue is a part of that. Fleming described Bond as being unusually tall, average build, with dark hair, greyish blue eyes, and movie star good looks.

I've forgotten that Fleming's Bond also does not have bulging muscles. I think several Bond girls describe him as slim and hard or something, and also brown or sunburnt. I've read all the books; 007 is particular about his breakfast, and May his housekeeper prepares his eggs 'just so.' But his other meals are nothing fancy, except when he's abroad on a mission. On his height, he is around six feet, so he's not unusually tall. Even for that era, that would just be 'tall.' And to beat a dead horse, he is good looking, resembling Hoagy Carmichael. And to the second horse, the new 'reboot' hardly resembles the Fleming Bond or the previous quarter century of Bond films. But I accept the opinions of those who do believe that Craig is James Bond. But there are two kinds of belief, Mr Bond. One, a belief based on a fact, and a belief based on a non-fact. Mr L can believe gravity doesn't apply to him, but if Mr L chooses to leap off a cliff, his belief will not save him. Mwahaahahhaaahhaaa

It is true what you are saying. Bond was slim, dark-haired. Athletic is probably more how Fleming described Bond, rather than bulging muscles.

Yet there is something about Craig that reminds me more of the Flmeing Bond than any of the other actors to portray him. Why? I'm not sure exactly. I am more a fan of the novels than the films anyway, so this is one subject I am passionate about.

I think it is the ice-cold killer look he has, with those blue eyes too. I always imagined the Bond of the novels to actually look quite menacing, not that friendly. SMERSH think this when they study a photo of him, Bond girls often think it when looking at him (in TSWLM, Vivian at first thinks Bond is another villain on first sight of him).

All the other Bond's are more handsome, but also look more friendly too. Craig looks far more cold, cruel, ruthless - descriptions also tallying with the book Bond. The muscular part doesn't really bother me either. In this day and age, audiences wouldn't expect a trained professional killer to be a skinny waif. I doubt very much the Bond book was either, even if he was decribed as slim. Look at Craig's waist when arriving at the Bahamas during the car park scene - his waist is what I would define as slim.

Again, novel interpretations are down to personal opinion, as we've discussed before. Your version of OHMSS is different to mine, for instance, when you read the exclamation marks of Bond's thoughts (God Almighty!! Now he really had had it!! etc.) you found this humourous - I on the other hand found this gripping, tense, dramatic.

Yes, that weird looking short bloke with the marbles in his mouth and ginger crewcut was Fleming's vision brought to life.

What's up james? You can't understand someone with a different point of view to yours.....

[Skywalker]

Fleming described Bond as being unusually tall, average build, with dark hair, greyish blue eyes, and movie star good looks.

It is true what you are saying. Bond was slim, dark-haired.

Yet there is something about Craig that reminds me more of the Flmeing Bond than any of the other actors to portray him. Why? I'm not sure exactly. I am more a fan of the novels than the films anyway, so this is one subject I am passionate about.

I think it is the ice-cold killer look he has, with those blue eyes too. I always imagined the Bond of the novels to actually look quite menacing, not that friendly. SMERSH think this when they study a photo of him, Bond girls often think it when looking at him (in TSWLM, Vivian at first thinks Bond is another villain on first sight of him).

All the other Bond's are more handsome, but also look more friendly too. Craig looks far more cold, cruel, ruthless - descriptions also tallying with the book Bond. The muscular part doesn't really bother me either. In this day and age, audiences wouldn't expect a trained professional killer to be a skinny waif. I doubt very much the Bond book was either, even if he was decribed as slim. Look at Craig's waist when arriving at the Bahamas during the car park scene - his waist is what I would define as slim.

Again, novel interpretations are down to personal opinion, as we've discussed before. Your version of OHMSS is different to mine, for instance, when you read the exclamation marks of Bond's thoughts (God Almighty!! Now he really had had it!! etc.) you found this humourous - I on the other hand found this gripping, tense, dramatic.

Although we pretty much don't agree on anything Bond related, I do respect your POV. However misguided your fascination with Craig is, I understand why you enjoy his interpretation as Bond. For me and many others on here, Craig's CR was so far removed from what we perceive as Bond that it alienated a group of keen passionate Bond fans from popular Bond sites until this haven was found. It seems that you enjoy the deabte here , otherwise you would have ceased to post.

[The Sweeney]

Fleming described Bond as being unusually tall, average build, with dark hair, greyish blue eyes, and movie star good looks.

It is true what you are saying. Bond was slim, dark-haired.

Yet there is something about Craig that reminds me more of the Flmeing Bond than any of the other actors to portray him. Why? I'm not sure exactly. I am more a fan of the novels than the films anyway, so this is one subject I am passionate about.

I think it is the ice-cold killer look he has, with those blue eyes too. I always imagined the Bond of the novels to actually look quite menacing, not that friendly. SMERSH think this when they study a photo of him, Bond girls often think it when looking at him (in TSWLM, Vivian at first thinks Bond is another villain on first sight of him).

All the other Bond's are more handsome, but also look more friendly too. Craig looks far more cold, cruel, ruthless - descriptions also tallying with the book Bond. The muscular part doesn't really bother me either. In this day and age, audiences wouldn't expect a trained professional killer to be a skinny waif. I doubt very much the Bond book was either, even if he was decribed as slim. Look at Craig's waist when arriving at the Bahamas during the car park scene - his waist is what I would define as slim.

Again, novel interpretations are down to personal opinion, as we've discussed before. Your version of OHMSS is different to mine, for instance, when you read the exclamation marks of Bond's thoughts (God Almighty!! Now he really had had it!! etc.) you found this humourous - I on the other hand found this gripping, tense, dramatic.

Although we pretty much don't agree on anything Bond related, I do respect your POV. However misguided your fascination with Craig is, I understand why you enjoy his interpretation as Bond. For me and many others on here, Craig's CR was so far removed from what we perceive as Bond that it alienated a group of keen passionated Bond fans from popular Bond sites until this haven was found. It seems that you enjoy the deabte here , otherwise you would have ceased to post.

Thanks Skywalker. At least you are able to give an intelligent response to my post...unlike some!!

[Remo Williams]

What is your principal reason for not regarding Daniel Craig as James Bond?

Where do I start? He doesn't look like Bond and there aren't enough pharmaceuticals in the world to convince me that he does.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

What is your principal reason for not regarding Daniel Craig as James Bond?

Where do I start? He doesn't look like Bond and there aren't enough pharmaceuticals in the world to convince me that he does.

Welcome to the forum Mr Williams. You sound like a man who knows his Bond.

[Commander 0077]

Bond as Batman/Bruce Wayne. That's an interesting view, a new one to me. Yes, I would agree. In the books, he's almost a regular guy, driving along and then suddenly action. OHMSS has him driving, while composing a letter to M (with a few exclamation !!!s that to me indicate Bond's slice of wry) ... then Tracy appears, and he goes into gear. In his missions, he's just enjoying the scenery, and then suddenly danger appears, and he becomes the 'cold professional' but prior to that he isn't not icy cold.

Going back to Bond's resignation letter to M, a memorable quote :
"and for your information -- steady, old chap. Neat, that! Perhaps a bit too neat! -- " The tone of the letter is anger with M and the waste of Bond's time tracking down Blofeld, but the anger is tinged with his Bruce Wayne side.

There was a real life operative, who described himself as just an average guy in regular life. He laughed at the concept of the muscle-bound hero. For one thing (he said), if a guy is too noticeable with huge mussels, he won't be able to mix with the crowd. He played the piano, liked jazz, didn't have bulging mussels, and was in fact not even tall. But when he got the call to action, he was an instant 'adrenaline-factory' ... it was switched on like a light. One instant he could be asleep and the phone would ring, and he was in high gear. I believe this is the type of character Fleming described. He knew several Bond-types in real life; some were no doubt affable, down to earth and you would never suspect them of being 'trained pros.'

If one is always the icy cold killer 24/7, then it seems the stress would just do you in. That's one of the things Fleming described in Red Grant, something like the death beetle of the soul. But Bond's equanimity helped him stay stabilized. While the quips may seem to be out of place, in real life danger, often the thing that saves the 'pro's' mind is his sense of humor. ie, the quips of Bond are a reflection of his inner state. Even if a real Bond might not quip after killing an enemy, he would execute some sort of mental trigger to unwind.

[Kristatos]

I don't see that much difference in build between Craig and Damon.

Daniel Craig


Matt Damon

[carl stromberg]

There should be a lot more of Charles Hawtrey on this forum.