The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[FormerBondFan]

- The impact of Star Wars anticipation could be felt pretty early in November.

The Star Wars anticipation has already been felt since the teaser last November or even as early as when it was announced in 2012 during acquisition of Lucasfilm by Disney. Think about it. SW is a vast universe. Plus, the return of Luke, Leia and Han adding to the mix. I severely doubt it will like the prequels all over again. Disney knows what it's doing with the sci-fi saga.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

Let us not forget the 'Take this job and shove it' interview Brosnan did in 1987. And if that wasn't enough, in 1989 he sought out Kevin McClory to try and get another rogue Bond film off the ground. Would it really that that hard to imagine that Brosnan was only hired for his popularity (to get the series up and running again), and not because EON wanted him? Then, at the first opportunity she gets after Cubby's passing, Barbara dumps Borsnan in favour of a Bond she wants.

I would say that after those two acts which could be seen as disrespectful, Brosnan should count himself very lucky to have been cast in the first place.

I'm not so sure he sought out McClory. McClory was a opportunist, while he had some legitimacy to his claims, he often made claims to cooperation and association he did not have.
Pierce had the popularity for the role, Cubby hired him twice so he thought there was something there beyond surface qualifications. If there were any question of Pierce's loyalty and involvement helping McClory I doubt Cubby would have looked twice at him.

It seems the idea Barbara did not having controlling say in casting until after her parents passed has stuck a never with some. From all I can tell this theory seems to hold up eventhou she was a producer and face of the franchise, she lacked the control, perhaps desire to make changes.

Certainly Pierce did not help thing with his public feuding with the Broccoli family until recently. He still gets his jabs in here and there, most recently suggesting the woman who said Hugh Jackman was "too fey" would never allow a homosexual Bond. I know, I know, the reality is this is what the opinions makers with the power to shape public opinion believe should be. Barbara herself seeks a place among these circles, I honestly would not put anything past her. She pretty much destroyed Bond on whim, yet somehow were are supposed to believe there are some lines left that can not be crossed.

Anthony Horowitz, a writer I've greatly admired, got has lost himself in the desire to make Bond more politically appropriate. As have several writers taking up the 007 pen recently. My point is not to underestimate the power of wanting to be accepted or seen as on the "right side of history"

As Brosnan goes I have no issue with his detractors to a point. He does not have to be everybodys' cup of tea, however he is/was not a Machiavellian mastermind who threatened the sanctity of Bond.
In the end Pierce may be viewed as a controversial figure because of long history with Bond (1986 to 2006) and the bitter disappointments at the beginning and end of his time as Bond. I can accept that without major issue, however trying to imagine him as something more sinister is taking it a tad too far.

Oh he did. That isn't an opinion, that is a fact. During an interview for TND, Brosnan himself admited to seeking out McClory in 1989 for a rouge Bond film.

[bjmdds]

Boxoffice.com prediction:The Peanuts Movie Nov 6, 2015
$55,000,000 opening USA----$222,000,000 total USA-------they predict $260 million for ECH-TRE in the USA, which is 15% LESS than SK-AWFUL's $304 million in the USA Broccoli won't stand for her latest self-aggrandized flick to underperform her last creation, BUT IT MOST CERTAINLY WILL because the plot is a boring retread and a moronic retelling of an iconic villain in Bond folklore and the audiences won't rush back repeatedly to watch it over and over

[Kristatos]

Broccoli won't stand for her latest self-aggrandized flick to underperform her last creation, BUT IT MOST CERTAINLY WILL because the plot is a boring retread

And, more importantly, all over the Internet.

[Omega]

Broccoli won't stand for her latest self-aggrandized flick to underperform her last creation, BUT IT MOST CERTAINLY WILL because the plot is a boring retread

And, more importantly, all over the Internet.

it's got the draw of new 007, but kind of confused why should i care about this trailers that think hey are important and posters that look like they are from a dvd re-re-re release


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[Omega]

Btw the new bond movies set release on Bluray are $110 on Walmart.com some have gotten in store pick up $95.




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[Veronica]

I am personally curious to hear the song. Maybe its going to be better than the three from previous Craig films.
Skyfall song while definitely better than the previous two is a bit of a snooze fest really. An Oscar? Not deserved in my opinion...

As for who said what,and who thought what and planned and wanted whatever,I think the easiest explanation is Barbara and Co. were just lost(well,they still are).
And when you are lost and don't know what to do really then its just easier to completely start something new than to try to continue with what you already have and try to make that better. And that's exactly what EON did.
Of course they didn't make anything better with that move they threw away 40 years of one of the most successful franchises but hey...we are just the small fish and they are the big one.
As for relations between Broccoli family and the Bond actors...Moore is basically the only one that came and went without any big problems... Connery wanted to leave and got into a fight with Broccoli,Lazenby backed out because of what might be the worst showbussines advice ever(and then there is the story of him not getting along with a film crew),then with Dalton there was the six year gap and all that(and I don't think he left because he wanted to) and there is Brosnan...
So "murky" stuff isn't exactly a new thing. Look at Craig's new title of a co-producer. Isn't that just another thing that would make him stay because that's Barbara's wish?

[Blowfeld]

Oh he did. That isn't an opinion, that is a fact. During an interview for TND, Brosnan himself admited to seeking out McClory in 1989 for a rouge Bond film.

He may have. I don't know all things Pierce Brosnan. However I can't imagine Cubby giving him the time of day if he were actively assisting. You seem to be under the impression Pierce essentially blackmailed his way into the job, I don't think that happened at all. Cubby liked him I think it is a simple as that.

Timothy Dalton was approached after leaving Bond. Lazenbys name came up as well. While Sean Connery actually worked with McClory and made a "rouge" Bond film.

I used to believe the EON hype that they are the keepers of Bond, Never Say Never and and Casino Royal helped convince me. However I not sure they really are or ever were. McClory in many ways was despicable, althou he did have a legitimate claim to make his own Bond movies (not that those movies would be any good). He was smeared in public opinion and the courts. EON blatantly lied under oath about various aspect of their partnership, the ideas lifted form the Thunderball script and later who was alive who knew the details. Still from their POV it makes sense to keep their monopoly enact.

The interesting thing is MGM now owns McClory's rights as well as Casino Royal, that is all Sony had when they tried to make their own series. Combined with their half of DanJaq MGM owns more Bond rights than the Broccolis.
Spectre probably would not be possible if MGM had not acquired McClory's rights. EON really couldn't touch anything Blofeld related before. The why to why they went with the lame quantum menace in the reboot.

C'est la vie

[bjmdds]

It might come out that little Ernst was often insulted that the porridge the foster home gave Jimmy Bond was tastier than his and that contributed to his obsession to conquer the world at Bond's expense. We are led to believe that all things that occurred from Le Chiffre to Silva were orchestrated by Blofeld. This films won't do $1 billion. FBF, do not worry.

[FormerBondFan]

BJ it doesn't matter if Spectre makes $1 billion. What matters most is that Babs stay away from casting the traditional types. Considering SF made history, anything can be Bond. It's time we all realize that the Bond franchise is NOT for us anymore.

[Veronica]

the fact skyfall made one billion isn't that much of a thing.
What bothers me is a critical acclaim that movie(along with CR) got. "Reinventing the franchise","best Bond eva".
I still have thoughts about whether they gave a nice check for that. With these critics now it seems that Bond movies before reboot aren't even worth mentioning.

[bjmdds]

The critics scoffed at all of the films prior to Cr-egg. It's a plot by Broccoli to gain accolades from Hollywood to turn Bond into an art form, not a spy thriller, and that's what the minions seem to want.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

I'm not suggesting that Brosnan was holding EON hostage. What I am commenting on, is Brosnan's less than classy attitude over the years, and wondering how much they can turn a blind eye to. In 1986, when he lost the role, he went and did that "Take this job and shove it" interview. 3 years later, he decides that if he can't be a part of the official series, then he will make a rival Bond film with McClory of all people. When EON came knocking in 1994, Brosnan couldn't assume the position fast enough. And when his services are no longer required in 2005, he throws the mother of all tantrums, dropping that many f-bombs, even Dan Craig would get uncomfortable.

[Omega]

f bombs don't make Craig uncomfortable .

I'm glad Brosnan moved on he was so pissed he got fired . How many movie sets was he on where he found out he was canned?

I don't blame him for being pissed the lead up to the new movie they were lovey dovey with him to go cold on him. Craig plays hard to get and it works because babs worst nightmare is life without Craig


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[Daltonite Toothpaste]

But Brosnan had finished his contract, nothing further was signed, so EON was under no obligation. But I will say that the way they let him go was quite spineless. At least take him out to McDonalds and tell him to his face.

[Atticus]

However I can't imagine Cubby giving him [Brosnan] the time of day if he were actively assisting. You seem to be under the impression Pierce essentially blackmailed his way into the job, I don't think that happened at all. Cubby liked him I think it is a simple as that.

Timothy Dalton was approached after leaving Bond. Lazenbys name came up as well. While Sean Connery actually worked with McClory and made a "rouge" Bond film.

I used to believe the EON hype that they are the keepers of Bond, Never Say Never and and Casino Royal helped convince me. However I not sure they really are or ever were. McClory in many ways was despicable, althou he did have a legitimate claim to make his own Bond movies (not that those movies would be any good). He was smeared in public opinion and the courts. EON blatantly lied under oath about various aspect of their partnership, the ideas lifted form the Thunderball script and later who was alive who knew the details. Still from their POV it makes sense to keep their monopoly enact.

And to kind of pull it all together, as I said in my other comment, Liam Neeson was also approached, as I quoted from the "bible" of the whole Thunderball history, The Battle for Bond by Robert Sellers. The whole notion of Brosnan being some kind of nefarious no-good slime bag doing questionable deals behind Cubby Broccoli's back is laughable. He's an actor and has every right to look into any potential film project. And business deals, project proposals, go on every day in Hollywood. A lot of talk on this project or that project, or getting so-and-so on board to direct or star, etc. Here's another summary of the Brosnan-McClory association, from mi6-hq.com (https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/article ... eries.php3), :

"McClory tried to recycle the script [for Warhead] again in 1989, retitling the film "Atomic Warfare", and approached Pierce Brosnan who had missed out on the role to Timothy Dalton due to an NBC contract."

I'm no Brosnan apologist, but I've seen how the guy tends to mangle his own words in interviews, never truly consistent in his anecdotes, but he probably ran into McClory in some form, with McCLory peddling another Thunderball remake. Just another day in Hollywood with film projects being thrown around in hopes of being made.

[Atticus]

Here's an interesting and amusing article on the Spectre trailer. It also summarizes nicely the bizarre state that the franchise is in.

http://n007.thegoldeneye.com/film_comme ... eview.html

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

Here's an interesting and amusing article on the Spectre trailer. It also summarizes nicely the bizarre state that the franchise is in.

http://n007.thegoldeneye.com/film_comme ... eview.html

That wasn't an article, that was a massacre.

Not to mention a number of Dalton references, all of which were positive.

[shaken not stirred]

Lol brokeback skyfall and the author is right this film like skooyfull will be saved from the scrap heap and it will no doubt be praised despite not deserving that and blofelts author of your pain line is terrible, blofelt also sounds like he's trying to talk one part with an asian accent in that scene as well as his swizz accent and the rest, only actor who could make author of your pain line sound remotely good is Shwarzegger, what's blofelts next line, I am the torn pages of your tears, the wind of your hair, I am the stuff under your shoe...no wait..wait..got it.. I am the I am the quantum of you solace..I am the hair that mops you to the ground and says clean yourself up (why does blofelts line sound like darkwing ducks lines when he chases criminals).

[Veronica]

Here's an interesting and amusing article on the Spectre trailer. It also summarizes nicely the bizarre state that the franchise is in.

http://n007.thegoldeneye.com/film_comme ... eview.html

I especially agree with what was said about Waltz. He so obviously thinks he is above Bond movies(good news for you Waltz,this is not a Bond movie!).
But then again...I dare you to find any actor who could say a line like "It was me James...the author of all your pain." with a serious expression and tone.