The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

When Judi Dench took over as M in 1995, Bond was being integrated into this emasculation process by Eon thinking women wanted to see more powerful roles for them in a Bond film in order to bring them into the buying audience. Lo and behold, the MOST masculine, domination role against women just took in $230 million worldwide and the majority of the audience was female for 50 Shades Of Grey Eon's Bond was NOTHING compared to this B&D and S&M degradation of women role that WOMEN find so enthralling now. The moral is, let Bond go back to being Bond and let Eon not worry about the way the character treats women

[Omega]

BTW first rated R Bond movie.
I don't think it will be big at the BO, not the weekend to release a spy movie even if the villains name is appropriate. Early crowd was light next crowd will probably be half full from the people standing in the hall judging from past openings and my movie theaters size a decent opening but small.

Estimated weekend gross is $36 million. Box Office Mojo set the "bar for success" at $30 million, so unless the actuals are way below the estimates, it seems to be performing decently. Not as well as 50 Shades of Grey, of course, but it probably works well as counter-programming for (mostly) single guys.

Thinking about it that's about right. For the crowd I saw on a Sunday in my small venue it looked right for 30-50 range for most action movies would be a bomb. For a spy movie it's d**n good. Jack Ryan reboot could no break $15. Argo. Bourne legacy did about the same but they were expecting bigger and it slowed right after.


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[FormerBondFan]

RIP Louis Jourdan

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/lo ... id=DELLDHP

[Fakhrul]

When Judi Dench took over as M in 1995, Bond was being integrated into this emasculation process by Eon thinking women wanted to see more powerful roles for them in a Bond film in order to bring them into the buying audience. Lo and behold, the MOST masculine, domination role against women just took in $230 million worldwide and the majority of the audience was female for 50 Shades Of Grey Eon's Bond was NOTHING compared to this B&D and S&M degradation of women role that WOMEN find so enthralling now. The moral is, let Bond go back to being Bond and let Eon not worry about the way the character treats women

I can't believe people paying to see a S&M Twilight fanfic. Read it? Fan.Fic. Fanfic became a novel then got adapted into a movie alone is disturbing and mind-boogling, but a fanfic based on Twilight, and the B&D one? Holy sh*t. We need someone adapt My Immortal and some other horrible fanfic into a tv series if we've reached a point this low. Seriously.
Also, i'm looking to watch Kingsman soon.

[bjmdds]

Correct Fakhrul. It boggles the mind why women rushed out to see a fellow woman degraded and naked for most of the film, yet many of them said they actually found this trashy film boring and FELL ASLEEP in the theatre Let the 7th 007 go back to being a womanizer and let Eon not worry that it will turn off women from seeing it.

[Fakhrul]

Yeah. I read that Expendables got alot of female audiences, and the cast is consisted of nothing but manly old man fighting and gunning people or other manly old man. So, why bother with political correctness? Alot of people watch movies for pure entertainment anyway. We don't need every movie to be filled with political motives, pro or anti government.

[bjmdds]

Singer-songwriter Lesley Gore, who topped the charts in 1963 at age 16 with her epic song of teenage angst, "It's My Party," and followed it up with the hits "Judy's Turn to Cry," and the feminist anthem "You Don't Own Me," died Monday. She was 68. Gore died of lung cancer at New York University Langone Medical Center in Manhattan, according to her partner of 33 years, Lois Sasson. [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... QmBXEZEYtg[/video] [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... XoNF-fzYMw[/video] [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... gP2lcXqGEc[/video]

[FormerBondFan]

Correct Fakhrul. It boggles the mind why women rushed out to see a fellow woman degraded and naked for most of the film, yet many of them said they actually found this trashy film boring and FELL ASLEEP in the theatre Let the 7th 007 go back to being a womanizer and let Eon not worry that it will turn off women from seeing it.

What Bond looks like or should look like is not relevant anymore as long as Babs is around. Besides, who needs James Bond when we got Kingsman?

[bjmdds]

MGM vs. Broccoli.......who will win out?

[FormerBondFan]

I'm willing to bet Babs will do to anything not only keep DC but also her position. After all, she owns her family business with Mikey.

[Napoleon Solo]

Singer-songwriter Lesley Gore, who topped the charts in 1963 at age 16 with her epic song of teenage angst, "It's My Party," and followed it up with the hits "Judy's Turn to Cry," and the feminist anthem "You Don't Own Me," died Monday. She was 68. Gore died of lung cancer at New York University Langone Medical Center in Manhattan, according to her partner of 33 years, Lois Sasson. [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... QmBXEZEYtg[/video] [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... XoNF-fzYMw[/video] [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... gP2lcXqGEc[/video]

Lesley Gore was also the niece of Batman producer Howie Horwitz.

[Omega]

I'm willing to bet Babs will do to anything not only keep DC but also her position. After all, she owns her family business with Mikey.

she only owns half a business and less than half of the rights


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[Alessandra]

I'm agreeing with you twice in one day BJ....
I too don't think Cooper would be a good choice for Bond. His face is too small and feminine, and as Kris correctly observed `ferrety'.....

He was gravely miscast as Fleming, and would be gravely miscast as Bond.

Twice in a day?! LOL Something is going on.

The bold expresses my thoughts on Cooper's face perfectly. I do agree he would be gravely miscast as Bond. He has none of the characteristics Bond has. Tall, dark, handsome, blue eyes, masculine jaw, and that "I could kill you now" look. None are there. I saw the Fleming miniseries, as they broadcast it here on satellite, and I was wondering "did they do it on purpose to make Fleming unattractive? To show how Bond was the opposite of him?". I never had a chance to discuss with you guys, but I'm glad you, Sweeney, feel he was very miscast for that part. I didn't even give it much thought, I thought that for whatever reason the producers of the series didn't want the man to be attractive in order to show a "contrast" with Bond. I didn't like the choice but because I hadn't read much around about it, I didn't know others felt the same way. So I'm glad it wasn't just me.

I'm still not sure why he was cast as Fleming, because he looks absolutely nothing like the man.

Is it your birthday today Ale? In that case, you share your birthday with my Mother (an easy date to remember)!!

Thank you so much Sweeney and happy belated birthday to your mom!! AND YES, an easy date to remember which is always good

I was very perplexed when I saw that Fleming miniseries and this dude, but like I said I thought they wanted an unattractive man to show how he was the opposite of Bond and Bond was his fantasy or something. I'm VERY glad that you guys, too, think he was gravely miscast. I was when he first appeared (Oddly, the smiley kind of looks like him ), but then chalked it up to some weird producer idea and followed the plot. It was lackluster in my opinion.

[Alessandra]

Thing is, marketing and advertising are not included in "film budget", not usually anyway. That's an extra and separate voice. What I mean is that those 300 mln were about mere production, which is why the MGM dude suggested to cut down the costs with sensible measures like using two train wagons instead of three and shooting a sequence in studio instead of wasting two nights around Rome since it's at night and at a villa, so the environment can be re-created. The money for advertising is ON TOP of the production costs... and your point remains absolutely valid about the unnecessary spending on it, as in it being over the top.

Thanks for clarifying, and happy birthday, young lady.

So we're now looking at $300 million (prod. cost) + $250 million for marketing (my conservative estimate on what it takes to sell Craig as Bond). This leads us to at least $550 million total cost. But then this doesn't even take into account Craig's army of plastic surgeons, makeup artists, and skin/facial consultants to ensure he looks (what's that term I hear from young people these days?)... oh yeah, "metrosexual."

With Pascal out of the picture, there's probably all sorts of chaos behind the scenes, a lot of yelling and fuming anger between the remaining big wigs and Barbara Broccoli. Who knows, maybe that's why she wasn't even in that puff piece. She was too busy defending herself.

I'm not sure how much they have planned for advertising the movie but $250 mln is a HUUUGE advertising budget. I think $150 mln to $200 mln is more like it. Which anyway makes for one HELL of a budget, and reminder that, because of theaters, taxes and distribution they need to make AT LEAST three times the budget in order to break even. Reminder that a Harry Potter movie that made $1 BILLION at the box office? LOST money. Only made it back once it was on DVD etc. People don't understand that box office gross is a completely wrong measure to see if a movie makes money.

And THANK YOU for the birthday wishes!

[Alessandra]

Dominic Cooper would be a useless Bond. With his big eyes, he looks like a lemur and his small stature is too apparent, which makes him look non-threatening. This slight person as Bond would not be believable in a fight scene with the likes of Oddjob or some big henchman. The guy has zero edge. Every time I see him, I'm actually reminded of a pizza delivery kid. Why he was cast as Fleming is another idiotic mystery in this universe. He obviously looks nothing like Fleming. That biopic itself was bland and didn't do justice to the Fleming lore.

Agree totally. Cooper was totally miscast as Fleming, and yes he looks like a schoolboy or pizza delivery kid. Charles Dance probably looked the closest to Fleming in the film he appeared in, and I always thought Geoffrey Rush would play a good Fleming (mainly because of the striking physical similarities.)

VERY good choices for Fleming, and I agree completely on the assessment about Cooper as well.
And by the way, Henry Cavill like this (from Superman)




Still looks a HELL of a lot more like James Bond than that other dude complete with uniform and cigarette. Or have people forgotten about the REALLY GOOD first half of DAD? Right, that's the look. Other dude looks like a blow of wind will make him fall off the chair while he's at the casino. He looks small and feeble even when sitting. On top of being unattractive and definitely not dark, tall, handsome and with blue eyes like Bond should be. The lemur though made me laugh... I think it's the eyes. He has puffy eyes that are void of any expression.

[Alessandra]

I've watched the Eon puff piece twice. First off, that French actress is lousy. I don't find her attractive at all, not just in terms of looks but in charisma. She makes Tanya Roberts ooze with screen presence. But this is one of the legacies of the Craig era, namely bland women, and by bland I mean they're not the exotic babes we used to have in a Bond film. But that's expected with a Bond who looks like he's 75. At least somebody in casting has enough sense to realize that an exotic Bond girl-type like a Carole Bouquet or a Claudine Auger wouldn't fall for Craig's Bond. It wouldn't have an ounce of reality, and anybody who thinks otherwise is delusional.

And, wow, don't we have a powerful box-office star in that Bautista dude or whatever his name is? A day after the UNCLE trailer draws massive attention, Eon presents this Bautista guy near the start of their promo piece. Yeah, this nobody is sure to captivate the public. But it doesn't get more ludicrous until we see images of Craig. My problem with him is that his Bond has always looked gay. He's like a gay masseuse, and that black ski outfit he's wearing looks like Pussy Galore's catsuit. It won't surprise me if he has a gay scene with Christophe Waltz or that new gay Q. It's obvious Sam Mendes is just craving to present a full out gay love scene, especially after touching upon it in that Bardem/Craig homo-erotic scene in Shitefall.

Agree 100% with you Atticus. Mendes and Cr-egg are chomping at the bit to explore Bond's bi-sexality, in their moronic eyes. Once that occurs, the franchise can rot in hell, for there is NO way I want to see Cavill romancing men if he becomes the next Bond.

They got VERY scared with that Man from U.N.C.L.E. trailer and with how well it was received. Fun fact... when I put it up here, it literally had 330 views. AS in TOTAL.. Cause I caught it as soon as it was released. The day after it was about 400k. Do you know how many views it has now? And this is NOT EVEN the first one, that was then deleted, thus a few hundred thousand views went wasted... it's the SECOND one that was put up by another outlet, not by the official one. It's got over 962,000 views now. They'll be a million by tomorrow. It's a NEW movie that most people don't know about at all, not an established franchise. So yeah, Bond people ARE SCARED. Cause such a level of interest and positive reaction to something that isn't established, is not frequent.

LOL about that Bautista dude. LOL yeah, that'll do against Cavill and Armie Hammer. Cause the thing is, Armie Hammer also looks great as the Russian in the trailer.

I must sadly agree about the French actress. She is terrible. But you're right Atticus that someone like Carole Bouquet or Ursula Andress back in the day would NEVER be believable as a Bond girl, with how Craig looks... no way she'd fall for him. The new French girl also has BAD fashion sense... I saw a photo of hers from the other night at a red carpet event and WHAT THE HELL was her stylist thinking? She had one of those "cut at the waist" dresses that these moronic, lacking fantasy stylists designed last season and it was WAY too tight around the waist, resulting in what Bridget Jones calls "wobbly bits" showing. SERIOUSLY??? Not like she's overweight at all, bloody pick the right cuts!

As far as the rest... sigh. I am a strenuous supporter of gay rights but those have NOTHING to do with James Bond!! WHY is it so difficult for these people to grasp the concept that POLITICALLY CORRECT is not for a freaking SPY MOVIE!? OF ANY kind, and PARTICULARLY not for James Bond! THAT is why James Bond is James Bond. He is NEVER politically correct!
Bunch of morons. I swear they wouldn't know a good Bond story if the script flew RIGHT on their desk.

[Alessandra]

When Judi Dench took over as M in 1995, Bond was being integrated into this emasculation process by Eon thinking women wanted to see more powerful roles for them in a Bond film in order to bring them into the buying audience. Lo and behold, the MOST masculine, domination role against women just took in $230 million worldwide and the majority of the audience was female for 50 Shades Of Grey Eon's Bond was NOTHING compared to this B&D and S&M degradation of women role that WOMEN find so enthralling now. The moral is, let Bond go back to being Bond and let Eon not worry about the way the character treats women

THANK YOU!!!
My despise for this Fifty Shades stuff knows NO bounds, because of how they humiliate and degrade women in it, and yet that's the result at the box office. So WHY THE HELL are we worried about Bond being a womanizer? That is NOTHING compared to the rest, and honestly, Bond never treats women badly, unless they try to kill him, which of course justifies him, LOL.
But in general? He is the "dream affair" for a woman. Elegant, sexy, charming, showers women with attention, takes them to the most beautiful places in the world, gourmet food, champagne, elegant dresses... seriously? LOL, no woman complains about that and he NEVER makes them believe that he'll stick around. It's not like he's dishonest. So in essence, there is nothing wrong with how he treats women. They know what they get into when they sleep with him.
And yet, these idiotic producers try to make how he treats women a problem when there's Fifty Shades of Abuse around?? PLEASE!

[bjmdds]

If Cavill does become Bond, I would hope he does not pull a "Garfield" and suggest Bond be gay, as Andrew did as Spiderman , for if that is Henry's mindset, let's end this discussion now, close up shop here, and retire to bedlam already, for once insanity at Eon triumphs, it's all over for the Bond franchise...........“Mission: Impossible 5″ has been set for release in Imax theaters as part of its worldwide launch on July 31. Paramount Pictures, Skydance Productions, Bad Robot and Imax made the announcement Friday. The film will be digitally remastered into the Imax format. Producers are Tom Cruise, J.J. Abrams and Bryan Burk. Christopher McQuarrie directs, with Jeremy Renner, Simon Pegg and Ving Rhames reprising their roles. Alec Baldwin, Rebecca Ferguson and Sean Harris also star. “Imax is so important in giving the audience the best experience of the film we have made,” Cruise said.

[bjmdds]

The movie is out on Aug. 14.

[bjmdds]

"He is the favoured choice by everyone from Jamie Foxx to Kanye West to step into the debonair shoes of 007. But Idris Elba may have got his most weighty endorsement so far – from a former Bond no less. In an interview with the Radio Times, Pierce Brosnan, who played the fictional M16 spy in four films between 1995 and 2002, was asked whether he thought Elba would make a good Bond. Responding succinctly, Brosnan said: “Yeah, he would actually.” Elba has been a championed contender to take over the role when Daniel Craig, 46, eventually steps aside. In the interview with the Radio Times, Brosnan also re-emphasised his support for another black actor, Colin Salmon, who he first gave his backing to be the next Bond in 2013. Salmon has previously starred in the Bond films as Charles Robinson, M’s chief of staff, but has yet to state his willingness to take on the lead role. “May the best man get the job and may Daniel bring home the bacon for as long as he wants,” Brosnan told the Radio Times"............(now I have NO respect for Brosnan either and FBF, he just put his foot into his moronic mouth and played the PC card and I am done defending him )