The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

Post by **The Sweeney** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:44 am

007 wrote:
Kristatos wrote:
Captain Nash wrote:Where has anyone who liked Casino Royale claimed they hate the rest of the Bond series?
Here:

The Sweeney wrote:But it also shows encouranging signs that audiences now prefer this kind of action hero, rather than the stiff upper-lip, suited-and-booted, tongue-in-cheek comedy, eyebrow-raising, gag-a-minute, sleaze bag driving around in invisible cars, gondolas, while surfing on CGI waves, being watched by double-taking pigeons.

Bourne is the way forward now

The Sweeney's familiar rant (aimed at Moore and Brosnan) writes off 50% of the original series. I recall The Sweeney saying You Only Live Twice was s**t the other week too. I may have missed a few other disses. I like all of the original Bond films for a bit of fun and can watch any of them on television. The 'most of the Bond films were shite but Casino Royale was so brilliant I nearly exploded position' really does annoy the crap out of me.

Yup! YOLT is pretty bad, along with AVTAK, OP, and all the Brozza flicks.

My favourite flicks are OHMSS, FRWL, Dr. No, GF, LTK, TLD, FYEO, LALD, and of course CR. I even have guilty pleasures such as TMWTGG, parts of MR (without the gondola and double-taking pigeon) and DAF. And I love all of the novels.

So as a Bond fan, am I not allowed to dislike some of the films then? Very intelligent.

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:29 pm

As Bond fans, are we also allowed to like all of the films EXCEPT Casino Royale with Craig,and still be considered loyal Bond fans,Sweeney? People at MI6 cannot understand this concept, people here do, and you are a reasonable person.

Post by **Kristatos** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:53 pm

stockslivevan wrote:You realize of course he is exclusively bashing about 2/5 part of the old Bond franchise he never wants to see again, right? The Moore and Brosnan eras.

Well, the references to "booted and suited" and "stiff upper lip" could apply to any movie Bond before Craig, and to the literary Bond for that matter. It was a part of the essence of Bond that the makers of CR chose to ignore, in order to make him more like Bourne.

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:05 pm

After the huge USA opening success of TBU, watch for Eon to intensify their attempt to make Craig's Bond even more "Bourne"-like, which will please our friend The Sweeney, immensely. The question is,HOW FAR will Eon go to top TBU?

Post by **Kristatos** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:06 pm

The Sweeney wrote:[Yup! YOLT is pretty bad, along with AVTAK, OP, and all the Brozza flicks.

My favourite flicks are OHMSS, FRWL, Dr. No, GF, LTK, TLD, FYEO, LALD, and of course CR. I even have guilty pleasures such as TMWTGG, parts of MR (without the gondola and double-taking pigeon) and DAF. And I love all of the novels.

I'm actually with you part of the way, but YOLT is a guilty pleasure for me (perhaps because it was the first Bond film I saw) and my judgement of the Brosnan era is less harsh than yours. It seems your bugbears are inappropriate comedy and the sci-fi elements that crop up in some of the films. I too dislike slapstick (the Bond films have always had humour, but there's a world of difference between Connery's dry one-liners and that infamous, almost symbolic double-taking pigeon). But I'm a sci-fi and fantasy fan, so I'm probably a lot more tolerant of those elements than you are.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:04 pm

Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:[Yup! YOLT is pretty bad, along with AVTAK, OP, and all the Brozza flicks.

My favourite flicks are OHMSS, FRWL, Dr. No, GF, LTK, TLD, FYEO, LALD, and of course CR. I even have guilty pleasures such as TMWTGG, parts of MR (without the gondola and double-taking pigeon) and DAF. And I love all of the novels.
I'm actually with you part of the way, but YOLT is a guilty pleasure for me (perhaps because it was the first Bond film I saw) and my judgement of the Brosnan era is less harsh than yours. It seems your bugbears are inappropriate comedy and the sci-fi elements that crop up in some of the films. I too dislike slapstick (the Bond films have always had humour, but there's a world of difference between Connery's dry one-liners and that infamous, almost symbolic double-taking pigeon). But I'm a sci-fi and fantasy fan, so I'm probably a lot more tolerant of those elements than you are.

You summed up my tastes fairly accurately there, Kris.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:06 pm

bjmdds wrote:As Bond fans, are we also allowed to like all of the films EXCEPT Casino Royale with Craig,and still be considered loyal Bond fans,Sweeney? People at MI6 cannot understand this concept, people here do, and you are a reasonable person.

Of course. If someone does not like CR but likes all the previous Bond films, I immediately don't think they are not a Bond fan anymore.

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:16 pm

That is not the view on your 'other' site Sweeney. The Jetsetter's home cannot accept nor comprehend your logic. You should try to appease their combative rhetoric and welcome ALL Bond fans to their fold.

By the way, did you take your wife to see TBU once, twice,or three times?

Post by **The Sweeney** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:33 pm

bjmdds wrote:That is not the view on your 'other' site Sweeney. The Jetsetter's home cannot accept nor comprehend your logic. You should try to appease their combative rhetoric and welcome ALL Bond fans to their fold. By the way, did you take your wife to see TBU once, twice,or three times?

It doesn't come out here until next weekend. I've got tickets for the preview screening next Thursday (can't wait!!)

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:52 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:That is not the view on your 'other' site Sweeney. The Jetsetter's home cannot accept nor comprehend your logic. You should try to appease their combative rhetoric and welcome ALL Bond fans to their fold. By the way, did you take your wife to see TBU once, twice,or three times?
It doesn't come out here until next weekend. I've got tickets for the preview screening next Thursday (can't wait!!)

You really do enjoy Bourne as much as Bond. You obviously prefer gritty spy films, PERIOD, whoever the character is. Problem for you might be IF Eon ever retreats to the prior formula they might lose you to a protest, correct?

Post by **The Sweeney** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:00 pm

bjmdds wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:That is not the view on your 'other' site Sweeney. The Jetsetter's home cannot accept nor comprehend your logic. You should try to appease their combative rhetoric and welcome ALL Bond fans to their fold. By the way, did you take your wife to see TBU once, twice,or three times?
It doesn't come out here until next weekend. I've got tickets for the preview screening next Thursday (can't wait!!)
You really do enjoy Bourne as much as Bond. You obviously prefer gritty spy films, PERIOD, whoever the character is. Problem for you might be IF Eon ever retreats to the prior formula they might lose you to a protest, correct?

Absolutely! Back in 89, LTK was a dream come true for me. The Brosnan era was a nightmare I have only just woken up from, and CR has brought my dreams alive again.

If EON dare shatter my dreams now.....

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:39 pm

Rest assured they won't for Bond 22. As long as Bourne thrives, they will continue to mimic it. I only hope Craig gets replaced soon. I do not mind 'gritty', but not with Craig, as you well know. I am now in your Brosnan zone with Craig.

Jedi007 · Post by **Jedi007** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:51 am

Care to back it up? Clearly, you aren't above all people to say such a thing unless it is of course your opinion.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

A ridiculous, ignorant and quite frankly, stupid comment there, Jedi.

Back then, people with class means you belong to high society. A high society was composed with people who have gone to proper schools, they have proper conducts, they know how to dress well, they know how to talk properly even when they are mad. Now high society means you're either a horny hotel heiress who acts as a stripper or an unknown actor suddenly becoming famous who curse and swears even he's in a public place.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:03 am

Jedi007 wrote:
Care to back it up? Clearly, you aren't above all people to say such a thing unless it is of course your opinion.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

A ridiculous, ignorant and quite frankly, stupid comment there, Jedi.
Back then, people with class means you belong to high society. A high society was composed with people who have gone to proper schools, they have proper conducts, they know how to dress well, they know how to talk properly even when they are mad. Now high society means you're either a horny hotel heiress who acts as a stripper or an unknown actor suddenly becoming famous who curse and swears even he's in a public place.

I actually agree with you there, Jedi. Famous/high society now means you've been on some reality TV freak show, or know how to kick a football and get paid lots of money!!

Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:44 pm

The Sweeney wrote:

So as a Bond fan, am I not allowed to dislike some of the films then? Very intelligent.

You are not really a fan of Cubby's movie series. Merely a self-appointed Fleming expert.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:11 pm

Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:

So as a Bond fan, am I not allowed to dislike some of the films then? Very intelligent.
You are not really a fan of Cubby's movie series. Merely a self-appointed Fleming expert.

Er...didn't Cubby do my favourites - FRWL, GF, OHMSS, LTK.....?

Post by **bjmdds** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:11 am

The Sweeney wrote:
Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:

So as a Bond fan, am I not allowed to dislike some of the films then? Very intelligent.
You are not really a fan of Cubby's movie series. Merely a self-appointed Fleming expert.
Er...didn't Cubby do my favourites - FRWL, GF, OHMSS, LTK.....?

If you had to choose ONE as your favorite Sweeney, which would IT be? I bet GF for you, correct?

Post by **The Sweeney** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:09 am

bjmdds wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:
Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:

So as a Bond fan, am I not allowed to dislike some of the films then? Very intelligent.
You are not really a fan of Cubby's movie series. Merely a self-appointed Fleming expert.
Er...didn't Cubby do my favourites - FRWL, GF, OHMSS, LTK.....?
If you had to choose ONE as your favorite Sweeney, which would IT be? I bet GF for you, correct?

Yes. You know me too well, bj......

Post by **bjmdds** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:56 pm

Excellent Bond film with the best Bond ever.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:35 pm

Jedi007 wrote:
Care to back it up? Clearly, you aren't above all people to say such a thing unless it is of course your opinion.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

A ridiculous, ignorant and quite frankly, stupid comment there, Jedi.
Back then, people with class means you belong to high society. A high society was composed with people who have gone to proper schools, they have proper conducts, they know how to dress well, they know how to talk properly even when they are mad. Now high society means you're either a horny hotel heiress who acts as a stripper or an unknown actor suddenly becoming famous who curse and swears even he's in a public place.

And who ever said people like Paris Hilton had class?

Quiz of the day: Which is more class?

a) Cursing at someone who invaded your privacy.
b) Talking about beating your wife on public TV.
c) Making a hissyfit at your producer before your film ever got processed.
d) Making a hissyfit because your contract ran out.

Winner receives a free copy of CR.