Batman Begins or Casino Royale?

Jedi007 · Post by **Jedi007** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:49 am

Two questions:

1. What franchise really needs a reboot?
2. Between the two, what is the best reboot?

For question#1: I'd go for Batman, Batman and Robin is so Joel Schumacher, so gay. As for James Bond, reboot or not, they could still make more films.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:15 am

1) Not sure, I can't think of a franchise that needs it.
2) Hard to say. I think they are both quite excellent and are great examples of a successful reboot. Bale and Craig are one of my favorite actors too.

Stopping after DAD and B&R was the right thing to do.

Post by **carl stromberg** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:27 pm

I preferred Batman Begins. Casino Royale was not really "Bond begins". They should have made a proper Bond begins with a young actor or made another one of those Bond films that have been so popular for the last 40 years.

Jedi007 · Post by **Jedi007** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:01 am

Not sure, I can't think of a franchise that needs it.

I was referring to the Batman and Bond franchises.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:03 pm

Jedi007 wrote:
Not sure, I can't think of a franchise that needs it.
I was referring to the Batman and Bond franchises.

Ah okay. Both. And that is exactly what I got.

Post by **Skywalker** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:20 pm

I enjoyed Batman Begins and it was nice to see where it all started. That said, a reboot wasn't needed. Bond did not need a reboot either.

Post by **Mazer Rackham** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:10 am

bond begins should of started with Bond orphaned and then checking in on him as he grows up to become Bond. Every step of the way becoming more and more what Connery is. It's why batman begins worked. Batman was Batman not Bruce Wayne.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:31 pm

Mazer Rackham wrote:bond begins should of started with Bond orphaned and then checking in on him as he grows up to become Bond. Every step of the way becoming more and more what Connery is. It's why batman begins worked. Batman was Batman not Bruce Wayne.

I think that not covering Bond's life before he became a OO-Agent is what makes his character unique, he's very mysterious. You know nothing about his personal life besides the women he fell for.

Jermaine76 · Post by **Jermaine76** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:14 pm

Skywalker wrote:I enjoyed Batman Begins and it was nice to see where it all started. That said, a reboot wasn't needed. Bond did not need a reboot either.

I agree with you on this. Not now anyway.

Jermaine76 · Post by **Jermaine76** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:19 pm

Mazer Rackham wrote:bond begins should of started with Bond orphaned and then checking in on him as he grows up to become Bond. Every step of the way becoming more and more what Connery is. It's why batman begins worked. Batman was Batman not Bruce Wayne.

This is what I was expecting to see when CR came out, but was disappointed. The other day, some co-workers and myself were talking about CR and how the reboot should have been a real reboot from the beginning and not the "Cliff-Notes" version we got. The only problem is that if EON would have done a reboot starting from Bond's childhood, then people would automatically assume that Bond was coping off of Batman and then we would diss it for that.

Jermaine76 · Post by **Jermaine76** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:22 pm

stockslivevan wrote:
Mazer Rackham wrote:bond begins should of started with Bond orphaned and then checking in on him as he grows up to become Bond. Every step of the way becoming more and more what Connery is. It's why batman begins worked. Batman was Batman not Bruce Wayne.
I think that not covering Bond's life before he became a OO-Agent is what makes his character unique, he's very mysterious. You know nothing about his personal life besides the women he fell for.

This was something else I was talking about the other day. If the reboot would had started with Bond's childhood...then it would be possible to lose his mysterious trait that we all love. It would be similar to how we look at Darth Vader now after the prequels. Now we look at him more as a victim more than a hardcore villain.