Could they have made CR as Pierce Brosnan's last film?

[Terry]

My own answer to this would be no but this post on AIC got me thinking about it anyway.

Casino Royale should have been Brosnan's swan song to the franchise. He lobbied to do that film, and to do it hardcore, and Eon refused. Then Eon gets something shoved up their collective posterior and decide that the failing of *Die Another Day* was the fault of Brosnan and then they s**tcan him while swiping his idea to do *Casino Royale* and hand it to Craig. I mean, thematically, it didn't make sense for Craig's Bond to be tired of the spy lifestyle to want to give it up just after earning his 00 status. But had it been an elder Brosnan, thematically it would have rocked. He was weary after being Bond, wanted to cash out and retire away with Vesper. And thus it would have bookended Brosnan's tenure on the franchise with *GoldenEye* and *Casino Royale*. Then Eon/Sony could have rebooted the franchise and a lot of fans wouldn't have been so cheesed off.

[Kristatos]

I think doing the first book as Bond's first mission made sense, and you really need a new Bond for that.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

I think a totally new, original movie should have been made if an origin movie was wanted.

[Skywalker]

If CR was not a re-launch and the script was changed so that Bond was far more refined then I feel CR would have been a fitting end for Brosnan.

[Vladimir Putin]

Bond was refined in the book and it was not a origin story either. Bond was established as a 00 agent and a man set in his ways.

Brosnan could of done the story justice.
Forget the reboot. Forget the time line.

Using a mix of eras to tell the story. PayBack for example was hard to pin down when it was supposed to take place.

They could have use old footage to offer a final homage to Q.

Brosnan could have been brilliant in Casino Royale.

The reboot was unnecessary and actually made the Bond wannabe-wannabe ripoff offensive to me.

[Skywalker]

Bond was refined in the book and it was not a origin story either. Bond was established as a 00 agent and a man set in his ways.

Brosnan could of done the story justice.
Forget the reboot. Forget the time line.

Using a mix of eras to tell the story. PayBack for example was hard to pin down when it was supposed to take place.

They could have use old footage to offer a final homage to Q.

Brosnan could have been brilliant in Casino Royale.

The reboot was unnecessary and actually made the Bond wannabe-wannabe ripoff offensive to me.

I agree Mr Putin with your POV. There was no need for a reboot and PB could easily have protrayed a darker Bond. In fact I believe Brosnan himself wanted a more serious Bond movie.

[bjmdds]

Brosnan did, he fed the idea to Eon, they jumped at it, fired him, and paid Craig 75% less to do CR than Brosnan.

[Mazer Rackham]

Brosnan did, he fed the idea to Eon, they jumped at it, fired him, and paid Craig 75% less to do CR than Brosnan.

Don't forget Quentin Tarantino

[Kristatos]

Don't forget Quentin Tarantino

Why not?

[The Sweeney]

Bond was refined in the book and it was not a origin story either. Bond was established as a 00 agent and a man set in his ways.

Brosnan could of done the story justice.
Forget the reboot. Forget the time line.

Using a mix of eras to tell the story. PayBack for example was hard to pin down when it was supposed to take place.

They could have use old footage to offer a final homage to Q.

Brosnan could have been brilliant in Casino Royale.

The reboot was unnecessary and actually made the Bond wannabe-wannabe ripoff offensive to me.

Brozza is too old to be jumping up cranes and on airport buses now. You may hate Craig, but he put Brozza's old body to shame. You may think Craig wasn't the answer to replace him, but Brosnan was too old to play one more film, regardless of Craig and reboots.

It may have been ok for an ageing Moore to run around in FYEO onwards, but in this day and age it is not acceptable, especially when you compare Bond to other current movie heroes - superfit Bourne and Batman!

[Kristatos]

It may have been ok for an ageing Moore to run around in FYEO onwards, but in this day and age it is not acceptable, especially when you compare Bond to other current movie heroes - superfit Bourne and Batman!

Well, what about Indiana Jones and John Rambo, both of whom have new movies in the pipeline with their original, ageing stars? I think a more dramatic, less action oriented movie (in the gap between DAD and CR, rather than as a replacement for the latter) with Brozza playing a Bond who was starting to feel his age could have worked. TWINE hinted at this by saddling Bond with an injury at the beginning of the movie, though this was forgotten fairly early on by the writers. But then that would have made CR seem like less of a radical reinvention, so I suspect EON were quite happy to leave DAD as Pierce's swan song, in order to play up the contrast with the new Bond's approach. Shame.

[Count_Lippe]

It's funny really, Brosnan should have been the ideal Bond.

He had the looks, elegance, was a decent actor, was into action, he rode a motorcycle for instance. He even had personal tragedy in his own life to relate to.

But still to me he didn't really do the part justice. He was better in other films, Thomas Crown and The Fourth Protocol for example.

Probably because his Bond movies never really felt fresh and original, just the same old recycling of tired clichés. Too bad.

[The Sweeney]

It's funny really, Brosnan should have been the ideal Bond.

He had the looks, elegance, was a decent actor, was into action, he rode a motorcycle for instance. He even had personal tragedy in his own life to relate to.

But still to me he didn't really do the part justice. He was better in other films, Thomas Crown and The Fourth Protocol for example.

Probably because his Bond movies never really felt fresh and original, just the same old recycling of tired clichés. Too bad.

I agree totally with you, Count.

[The Sweeney]

It may have been ok for an ageing Moore to run around in FYEO onwards, but in this day and age it is not acceptable, especially when you compare Bond to other current movie heroes - superfit Bourne and Batman!

Well, what about Indiana Jones and John Rambo, both of whom have new movies in the pipeline with their original, ageing stars? I think a more dramatic, less action oriented movie (in the gap between DAD and CR, rather than as a replacement for the latter) with Brozza playing a Bond who was starting to feel his age could have worked. TWINE hinted at this by saddling Bond with an injury at the beginning of the movie, though this was forgotten fairly early on by the writers. But then that would have made CR seem like less of a radical reinvention, so I suspect EON were quite happy to leave DAD as Pierce's swan song, in order to play up the contrast with the new Bond's approach. Shame.

The reason why Bond films have lasted so long is that they are not supposed to show Bond ageing. They are supposed to fit any time, any period. The books may have had Bond growing older (due to Fleming's health) but the films never tried to.

Rocky VI shows Rocky as he is now, an old man. The same with Rambo, and Indy.

Are you suggesting we should see an ageing Connery now as Bond, retired, etc. Of course not. Different series, different franchise entirely.

[Kristatos]

Are you suggesting we should see an ageing Connery now as Bond, retired, etc. Of course not. Different series, different franchise entirely.

Maybe not now, but Connery did want to play an ageing Bond in NSNA, but was persuaded to don a syrup instead.

As for the Bond films being set in "any time, any period", does that mean that you were as unhappy as I was with the 9/11 references and M's "Christ, I miss the Cold War" line in CR?

[The Sweeney]

Are you suggesting we should see an ageing Connery now as Bond, retired, etc. Of course not. Different series, different franchise entirely.

Maybe not now, but Connery did want to play an ageing Bond in NSNA, but was persuaded to don a syrup instead.

As for the Bond films being set in "any time, any period", does that mean that you were as unhappy as I was with the 9/11 references and M's "Christ, I miss the Cold War" line in CR?

9/11 and Cold War references I can live with.

Implausible storylines, bad CGI effects, OTT slapstick humour, ridiculous gadgets and embarassing one-liners I simply cannot live with, regardless of who is playing Bond - which is why I hate crap like YOLT, AVTAK and DAD. If Bond 22 dishes up more of the same, then I'll hate that too.

[agent english]

Are you suggesting we should see an ageing Connery now as Bond, retired, etc. Of course not. Different series, different franchise entirely.

Maybe not now, but Connery did want to play an ageing Bond in NSNA, but was persuaded to don a syrup instead.

As for the Bond films being set in "any time, any period", does that mean that you were as unhappy as I was with the 9/11 references and M's "Christ, I miss the Cold War" line in CR?

9/11 and Cold War references I can live with.

Implausible storylines, bad CGI effects, OTT slapstick humour, ridiculous gadgets and embarassing one-liners I simply cannot live with, regardless of who is playing Bond - which is why I hate crap like YOLT, AVTAK and DAD. If Bond 22 dishes up more of the same, then I'll hate that too.

I totally agree Sweeney........i generally like all Bond films and who plays
Bond, and what keeps the public interested is that they change with the
times, and no two Bond films are the same.
The only thing i have disliked in some of the previous films is the cringeing
humour in places such as:-

The Bondola chase in Moonraker

The Beach boys theme in the action sequence at the beginning of AVTAK

The Tarzan scene in Octopussy

and though not humour......the CGI surfing scene in DAD, which looked
like a jelly bean had been stuck to a lollipop stick to represent Bond on
a surf board.

I hope Bond 22 has a good story with a decent script, good characterisation and some decent non CGI action scenes,
with some good not over the top humour in places.

By the way Sweeney........i have noticed you sometimes post very
early in the morning.

Does your wife kick you out of bed to make the breakfast?
Or do you stay up all night, like some sort of OWL?



EA

[Count_Lippe]

I love that scene in Moonraker where 007 drives the gondola out of the water and the pigeon doing double-takes

[agent english]

I love that scene in Moonraker where 007 drives the gondola out of the water and the pigeon doing double-takes

Eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blimey Count Lippe.

By the way i thought you were killed by Fiona Volpe in TB.

[Count_Lippe]

Lippe managed to escape from the burning wreck, but I shall kill him next time!