The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[agent english]

Mr 'Skywalker'

I dont post crap...........i just post what i think is a great injustice to
the Bond franchise, and the people whose hard work it is to provide
entertainment to millions worldwide.......and i hope you understand
that?
Its impossible to please all the people all the time, and if there was a major change to the franchise now then there would possibly be a
genuine boycott, after the acceptance of DC and CR.

If you feel that i tarnished you with the original creators of this website
then i am man enough to apologise.............as i think the forums are
pretty reasonable......its just a shame that a handful of faceless people
tried to cause so much grief to a film series beloved by millions of
fans worldwide.............i'll say no more!!

Anyway, doesn't it make you wonder that if you dont think that DC is
your typical Bond................what the other contenders must of been
like in the screentests for the role.

I dont know how old you are but have you lived with the Bond franchise
prior to the Pierce Brosnan era.

Personally i thought he was very good, but as they say times change.
The Roger Moore era was vastly differnet to the Connery era for example
but i still enjoyed and supported the franchise.

Personally as someone who follows the business side of films i think that
Bond 22 will again be a huge hit worldwide.........................though it
remains to be seen how the North American market respond to DC's
second film. I know that in the UK, DC has a huge female following which
should ensure another huge UK gross...............as long as the film is not
crap.

Note: Bond 22 is being released in the US a week or so prior to the next
Harry Potter instalment, so it should give the Bond film a big initial
box office bonanza, before everyone floods to the multiplexes to
see the English wizard.

Anyway hopefully we should get some more snippets of info on the new film shortly.

If you need any info on the business side of the Bond franchise over
the years.........dont hesitate to ask, as there is a lot of conflicting info
on the web.

Keep posting 'Skywalker' you seem a reasonable guy.

Regards EA.

[carl stromberg]

It may not of been what some of you guys wanted to see, but the reality is that you did really like the film, its just the fact that you cant admit to
this fact after your prior slagging off.....................I've hit the nail on the head here havn't i???????

You have made an interesting point there. I, like many other people (read the famous forums just before Craig's casting) thought Eon had gone mad casting Craig and he would not be a success in the role. But, most people seem to love him and Casino Royale, and the reviews were overwhelmingly positive.

I thought the film would be really good and was ready to admit that I was wrong. But, like the handful of people on this forum, I really did not like Casino Royale and wondered what all the fuss was about. I'm not pretending that I did not like the film. I love all the other Bond films, and could tolerate almost anything. But they have done the impossible and cast someone who I don't like as bond in a weak attempt at something different.

Have a read thorugh this forum (if you have the time) and some of the negative reviews we have managed to find (mainly in an attempt to annoy the Sweeney).

And thank you for not calling us retards this time.

[agent english]

No problem 'Mr Stromberg'.

I think that you can see why that when the forums opened up here,
it gave the chance for people who were upset with the comments on this website, to voice their views.

Good bloke 'The Sweeney', i know he enjoys arguing with you guys!!

Thanks.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

How we've missed you EA. How is the MI6 forum these days? Is it still Muppet Central?

[Count_Lippe]

I hate most Bond movies, except the first four in the series

[bjmdds]

I think that jame bond is dead after casino royale

The critics liked it though and held it up as high art whick completly dumfounded me??????

Which goes to show that Bond isn't dead after all, and 22 may actually do better business than CR did.

IF it does not Sweeney, will you embrace Bond 7 with the same enthusiasm as you have embraced Craig, or has he spoiled you forever?

If 22 is more of the same we saw in CR, then I'm a happy bunny, regardless of how successful it is.

Can Forster give Sweeney what he wants, more character driven Bond? He is not known as an action oriented director.

[bjmdds]

Having read the recent posts.

It seems to me that the naysayers here seem to think that the Bond franchise has drifted from the norm of what Fleming had envisaged for
his creation.

But i disagree......I really dont think that Fleming would think that CR was
less of a Bond film than say the likes of AVTAK and Moonraker which were
excruciatingly childish (though enjoyable in parts).

Remember those films from the 80's were a mile away from the classic films of the 60's.

I find it beyond comprehension that some people here think that CR's
success was due to some mass media hypnotism of the public.

I've yet to meet anyone outside of this forum who disliked CR.

Over 10,000,000 Britons who saw the film cant be wrong.

It may not of been what some of you guys wanted to see, but the reality is that you did really like the film, its just the fact that you cant admit to
this fact after your prior slagging off.....................I've hit the nail on the head here havn't i???????

Interesting post EA. Usually I just ignore you as you tend to post cr*p, but I like your question.

For me CR was so different to the cinematic Bond. Gone was the refinement and in its place was a blunt instrument. The difference in tone was just too vast and IMO it has changed the concept of what the cinematic character had become. I appreciate many people consider the new style to be more akin to the novels, but this has come at the expense of the 'MORE' popular cinematic version.

I accept that CR has performed well at the BO and the fact that it was a commercial success. This was mainly due to the fact of the aggressive marketing campaign and the curiosity factor. I'm sure similar results will be attained for Bond 22 and if that is the case DC will go down as a 'great' Bond.

Personally I rank CR as the worst Bond film ever. My reason is that it has strayed so far from what I perceive as a Bond film. As a general movie I consider CR to be good.

Good point young Luke. CR, as a general movie, passes the test, but as a Bond film, forget it. I too rank it as the absolute worst Bond film in the series, for it came across too foreign for me. If it was about 003, 005, or 008's beginnings, so be it;however, as 007? Forget it!

[bjmdds]

I hate most Bond movies, except the first four in the series

If you hate all 17 films after Thunderball, do you still bother to watch them?

[Eye Of The Tiger]

Hello Everyone, how are all of you doing?

I will give you a little background on myself.

I've been a huge Bond fan since 1983 when I was 11 years old. But ever since the wrongfull dismissal of Pierce Brosnan and then the hiring of Daniel Craig I have been disgusted with EON Productions.

I am registered on CBn, but I almost never post on there anymore because if you don't kiss Daniel Craig's backside on that site you are ridiculed endlessly.

I was also registered on AJB, but then I was banned from the site because two of the moderators had a vendetta against me because I disagree with the lifestyle that they apparently live.

Anyway, I have no doubts that things will go smoother for me here on this site, and I'm glad to be a member here!

I would like to point out that I had always been a huge James Bond fan since well before Pierce Brosnan was Bond, and I continued to be a huge Bond fan while he was Bond as well. I don't think that enough of the members on AJB were able to understand that I wasn't just a fan of the Brosnan Bond films, I was a fan of all the Bond films untill Daniel Craig's Casino Royale release.

Due to the fact that I was and still am a big supporter of Pierce Brosnan as James Bond many of the people on AJB and CBn falsly thought that I was just a Brosnan fan, which is far from the truth!

So, once again, I would like to express how happy I am to be able to talk Bond with people who don't always drink the Daniel Craig Kool Aid!

[Jedi007]

Welcome to our home, Tiger.

[Eye Of The Tiger]

Welcome to our home, Tiger.

Thanks for the welcome!

It will be good to be back on a Bond forum again. Although EON/Craig have permanentally destroyed some of my love of the franchise.

[Jedi007]

Over 10,000,000 Britons who saw the film cant be wrong.

You haven't met yet billions of other people outside of UK who have also seen CR.

[Captain Nash]

I was also registered on AJB, but then I was banned from the site because two of the moderators had a vendetta against me because I disagree with the lifestyle that they apparently live.

Anyway, I have no doubts that things will go smoother for me here on this site, and I'm glad to be a member here!

Isn't one of the members here a mod over at AJB?
Still I'm sure you'll feel at home here. The anti-Craig brigade hava small following, but there voice is loud here.
All the same, welcome.

[The Sweeney]

I was also registered on AJB, but then I was banned from the site because two of the moderators had a vendetta against me because I disagree with the lifestyle that they apparently live.

Funny, because I thought you were banned for being argumentitive with everyone on there, posting made-up anti-Craig stuff, and generally being nasty to everyone.

I could be wrong of course.

Welcome anyway, EOTT. You definitely feel more at home here.

[Eye Of The Tiger]

I was also registered on AJB, but then I was banned from the site because two of the moderators had a vendetta against me because I disagree with the lifestyle that they apparently live.

Anyway, I have no doubts that things will go smoother for me here on this site, and I'm glad to be a member here!

Isn't one of the members here a mod over at AJB?
Still I'm sure you'll feel at home here. The anti-Craig brigade hava small following, but there voice is loud here.
All the same, welcome.

Thanks for the welcome!

I don't know who any of the members are on here just yet. It was only about 2 days ago that I found out that there are now forums on this site.

Within a few weeks of the release of CR I was so disgusted with EON/Craig and the Bond websites kissing Craig's feet for no other reason than he was the new Bond and without even caring that he was wrong for the part, that I stopped going on any Bond sites at all.

Just a few days ago I decided for the first time since November of 2006 to visit a Bond site, and since at least here they weren't willing to accept just any hack as Bond like several of the other sites are with Craig, I decided to visit this site again.

[Eye Of The Tiger]

I was also registered on AJB, but then I was banned from the site because two of the moderators had a vendetta against me because I disagree with the lifestyle that they apparently live.

Funny, because I thought you were banned for being argumentitive with everyone on there, posting made-up anti-Craig stuff, and generally being nasty to everyone.

I could be wrong of course.

Welcome anyway, EOTT. You definitely feel more at home here.

Thank you to you too for the welcome!

In complete honesty I was banned because of 2 of the moderators over there not liking the fact that I don't agree with homosexuality.

One of the moderators there used to PM me telling me how much he liked my posts and agreed with them. Then when that same moderator saw that I said that I don't like to have to see homosexuality on TV and in the movies, and that I can not accept someone who has done homosexual scenes as being Bond he decided it was going to be his mission to harrass me from then on.

I started getting insulting PM's from him and even worse he was taking every opportunity to bash me on the forums. He was getting very personal with his insults toword me even though I had never said a single bad word about him previously.

That mod just kept it up and kept it up untill I finally had had enough and I made a post telling everyone what he was doing and why he was doing it. After that post another moderator who is also homosexual and had an agenda to get rid of me banned me.

I was nice to the overwhelming majority of the members of AJB. I tried to be respectfull and generally was. I got along well with most of the members over there. There were only a small handfull of members at best that I would get in heated arguments with, and most of them (especially 1 troll) were the ones who would start the arguments.

I was always getting PM's from members of AJB that would tell me how much they enjoyed my posts and that I wasn't getting a fair shake from one of the moderators.


Let me make this perfectly clear. I did NOT lie about the information I had recieved about Daniel Craig!!!

I can tell you before God that I was given very acurate info on what was going on regarding Craigs appearance on Letterman and how they were intenionally keeping Craig off of American talk shows after that appearance. What major American talk shows did Craig appear on after Letterman??? I always try to be a man of my word! In order to be given that info from my source who had first hand knowlege of what was going on, I had to promise that I would not give any indecation as to who he is, and I have lived up to that. The man wants to keep his job after all.
And EON know for a fact that I was and am telling the absolute truth about how they started keeping Craig off of American talk shows after his pathetic appearance on Letterman.

If those two mods on AJB any any decency at all they would be honest about the fact that I was banned because they were mad at me about my viewpoints about homosexuality!

I have a friend who is a lawyer and at the time I told him about how I was banned from AJB and why I was banned and he told me that if I wanted to pursue it I could have sued AJB for wrongfull acts that were violating my right to free speach and the fair usage laws pertaining to the internet, but I didn't bother to pursue it, it wasn't worth it.

[Eye Of The Tiger]

Oh, I should mention that the mod on AJB that was always harrassing me after he found out my viewpoints had once sent me a PM threatining to ban me from AJB if I didn't stop posting links for this DCINB website.

Other members were free to post links for websites, but because he didn't like this site or me he decided to take away my freedoms despite the fact that he was not the owner of AJB and that other mods didn't have a problem with me posting links for DCINB, in fact even after his warning to me about the links other mods from AJB were themselves posting links to this site.

There was one mod who I liked fairly well that had been a reasonable person untill about the time that CR was about to be released, but then he started continuously bashing anyone who supported this website. He kept it up and kept it up over and over again.

The funny thing about that was that he and some of the others over at AJB were always claiming that everyone here on DCINB had no class and were such horrible people, yet he was constantly reporting to AJB what was being said on here. I was not seeing the people behind DCINB insulting AJB, but they sure were insulting the people at DCINB, really classy huh? Just because I was in support of this website and it's anti Daniel Craig stance I was always being accused of being the person behind the site or other silly crap like that that wasn't even close to being true.

I don't want to sound as if I'm bashing everyone at AJB! In fact there were A LOT of members who I liked and I respect, and that even includes some who view things much differently than myself when it comes to Bond. There were a couple of moderators who I liked and respected because they were themselves decent and classy people.

There were/are a few things about AJB that I wanted to get off my chest, but hopefully I can just put that behind me now.

[The Sweeney]

Let me make this perfectly clear. I did NOT lie about the information I had recieved about Daniel Craig!!!

I can tell you before God that I was given very acurate info on what was going on regarding Craigs appearance on Letterman and how they were intenionally keeping Craig off of American talk shows after that appearance. What major American talk shows did Craig appear on after Letterman??? I always try to be a man of my word! In order to be given that info from my source who had first hand knowlege of what was going on, I had to promise that I would not give any indecation as to who he is, and I have lived up to that. The man wants to keep his job after all.
And EON know for a fact that I was and am telling the absolute truth about how they started keeping Craig off of American talk shows after his pathetic appearance on Letterman.

Wow! That's some explanation there, EOTT.

With regard your point above, I guess it doesn't really matter now if it is true or not. CR has done whopping business (exceeding far more than anyone really expected) and managed to win over a whole gang of critics too in the process.

For what its worth, Craig has come out of all of this as a success too, no matter what you think of him personally for his suitability in the role.

It will be interesting to see how well Bond 22 fares up. This will then reveal if the initial CR success was mere curiosity to see a new Bond....or perhaps something more!

[Skywalker]

Wow! That's some explanation there, EOTT.

With regard your point above, I guess it doesn't really matter now if it is true or not. CR has done whopping business (exceeding far more than anyone really expected) and managed to win over a whole gang of critics too in the process.

For what its worth, Craig has come out of all of this as a success too, no matter what you think of him personally for his suitability in the role.

It will be interesting to see how well Bond 22 fares up. This will then reveal if the initial CR success was mere curiosity to see a new Bond....or perhaps something more!

I wasn't surprised by the BO figures. When you take into account the huge media coverage and the fact that it came after the commercially successful DAD this gave CR a great platform to work from. When you include that fact it was a new actor in the role and there was a 4 year gap, I would have been more surprised if CR had flopped.

As for Bond 22, who knows how it will perform. I'm sure it will be praised to the hilt by Pro-Craigers even if it is cr*p.

Likewise I'm sure it will get panned by the Anti-brigade even if it is an improvement on CR.

[Count_Lippe]

I hate most Bond movies, except the first four in the series

If you hate all 17 films after Thunderball, do you still bother to watch them?

I like The Living Daylights also, I watch that one occasionally. Best Bond since the 60s.

Moonraker is actually pretty good, despite the silly bits. Great score and atmosphere in a lot of scenes. Good cast.

Of all the other films I only watch some action sequence or something, like the pre-credit ski chase in Spy or the car chase in Tomorrow Never Dies.