The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:59 am

Sweeney:IF it is true Craig may leave after Bond 22 to pursue his 'other' acting interests, you and I and the rest of us may unite once again and HOPEFULLY get the RIGHT actor that the MAJORITY of us desire as Bond. Be it Jackman, Purefoy, Owen,etc., it would be a WELCOME change and you would not have to be on the other side of the fence. If Craig wants out and money is of no issue to him, I hope they slam the door shut on his Bond career as he walks out. Babs will be heartbroken I am sure. Wilson may not have the stomach to go through the selection process again. Amy Pascal might threaten suicide. All in all, it will be good riddance IMHO! AND:for those Craig fanatics here, what publicity will Eon get after this pile of trash goes straight to DVD after 1 week,after all, Craig is their man? How badly will this bomb tarnish Craig, and Kidman? http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/8824

Post by **007** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:34 pm

Sounds like bombs away for The Visiting.

Post by **bjmdds** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:36 am

Nothing on television about it. No commercials. Delayed over a year. Craig has a lead role. Film will tank badly it seems. I guess Craig likes to keep his films more diverse than Bond, so this one reverts his career back to what it was.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:06 am

bjmdds wrote:Nothing on television about it. No commercials. Delayed over a year. Craig has a lead role. Film will tank badly it seems. I guess Craig likes to keep his films more diverse than Bond, so this one reverts his career back to what it was.

True. Craig is more actor than superstar. He still likes to pick obscure film roles, regardless of being Bond.

However, this will have no impact whatsoever on Bond 22 - mark my words!

Post by **bjmdds** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:01 am

Are you sure Sweeney? Is Eon conerned?

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:04 pm

bjmdds wrote:Are you sure Sweeney? Is Eon conerned?

Positive. I doubt very much EON are concerned. It's Bond that sells, that puts bums on seats, that brings in the BO figures - not Craig.

CR totally proves that, so does every previous Bond film. Craig was more unknown then than he is now, and still managed to do whopping business at the BO.

Outside of Bond, a Dalton film, or a Moore film generally didn't do massive business at the BO, not even Brosnan did really. But when it came to Bond, they did the business allright! Only Connery has made big BO business outside of Bond.

By the time Bond 22 comes around, with Sony marketing campaigns smacking everyone in the face once more, it will be Bond that is the pulling power, not Craig (although he may have won some new fans over with his performance in CR).

Post by **Kristatos** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:15 pm

The Sweeney wrote:Outside of Bond, a Dalton film, or a Moore film generally didn't do massive business at the BO, not even Brosnan did really.

I seem to remember a few Moore films doing OK box office in the 70's and early 80's, riding on the success of Bond. Gold, Shout at the Devil, The Wild Geese, North Sea Hijack. But then, I was a kid at the time, so I didn't really keep track of box office, perhaps the extensive publicity campaigns those films received at the time gave me a false peception of the films' success. It worked for The Black Hole - I didn't find out until years later that the film had tanked, I'd just assumed that because it was so well publicised, it must have been a hit.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:24 pm

Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:Outside of Bond, a Dalton film, or a Moore film generally didn't do massive business at the BO, not even Brosnan did really.
I seem to remember a few Moore films doing OK box office in the 70's and early 80's, riding on the success of Bond. Gold, Shout at the Devil, The Wild Geese, North Sea Hijack. But then, I was a kid at the time, so I didn't really keep track of box office, perhaps the extensive publicity campaigns those films received at the time gave me a false peception of the films' success. It worked for The Black Hole - I didn't find out until years later that the film had tanked, I'd just assumed that because it was so well publicised, it must have been a hit.

Some great films you mentioned there Kris, especially Wild Geese. However, I don't think any of them were particularly successful at the BO (I could be wrong of course).

Post by **bjmdds** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:10 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Are you sure Sweeney? Is Eon conerned?
Positive. I doubt very much EON are concerned. It's Bond that sells, that puts bums on seats, that brings in the BO figures - not Craig.

CR totally proves that, so does every previous Bond film. Craig was more unknown then than he is now, and still managed to do whopping business at the BO.

Outside of Bond, a Dalton film, or a Moore film generally didn't do massive business at the BO, not even Brosnan did really. But when it came to Bond, they did the business allright! Only Connery has made big BO business outside of Bond.

By the time Bond 22 comes around, with Sony marketing campaigns smacking everyone in the face once more, it will be Bond that is the pulling power, not Craig (although he may have won some new fans over with his performance in CR).

Perhaps Eon hopes Craig's film The Invasion never gets released at all to escape the shame of his film being a bona fide loser.

Post by **bjmdds** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:12 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:Outside of Bond, a Dalton film, or a Moore film generally didn't do massive business at the BO, not even Brosnan did really.
I seem to remember a few Moore films doing OK box office in the 70's and early 80's, riding on the success of Bond. Gold, Shout at the Devil, The Wild Geese, North Sea Hijack. But then, I was a kid at the time, so I didn't really keep track of box office, perhaps the extensive publicity campaigns those films received at the time gave me a false peception of the films' success. It worked for The Black Hole - I didn't find out until years later that the film had tanked, I'd just assumed that because it was so well publicised, it must have been a hit.
Some great films you mentioned there Kris, especially Wild Geese. However, I don't think any of them were particularly successful at the BO (I could be wrong of course).

You realize Brosnan will go all out, leave no stone unturned, for The Topkapi Affair, correct?

Post by **The Sweeney** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:01 am

bjmdds wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:
Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:Outside of Bond, a Dalton film, or a Moore film generally didn't do massive business at the BO, not even Brosnan did really.
I seem to remember a few Moore films doing OK box office in the 70's and early 80's, riding on the success of Bond. Gold, Shout at the Devil, The Wild Geese, North Sea Hijack. But then, I was a kid at the time, so I didn't really keep track of box office, perhaps the extensive publicity campaigns those films received at the time gave me a false peception of the films' success. It worked for The Black Hole - I didn't find out until years later that the film had tanked, I'd just assumed that because it was so well publicised, it must have been a hit.
Some great films you mentioned there Kris, especially Wild Geese. However, I don't think any of them were particularly successful at the BO (I could be wrong of course).
You realize Brosnan will go all out, leave no stone unturned, for The Topkapi Affair, correct?

Good luck to him. I hope the film does well.

Post by **James** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:37 pm

I wonder if they'll make The Topaki Affair more like a James Bond film than The Thomas Crown Affair. This could be Brosnan's last stab at a leading man type role.

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:58 pm

Exactly my thought James. I believe it is being released at the end of 2008 as well. Brosnan wants to make a statement I believe.

Count_Lippe · Post by **Count_Lippe** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:26 pm

The Thomas Crown Affair was a good film for Brosnan, better than his Bond movies in my opinion!

ID · Post by ID » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:28 pm

Count_Lippe wrote:The Thomas Crown Affair was a good film for Brosnan, better than his Bond movies in my opinion!

You can make a case for Mctiernan using Brosnan better than Eon.

Post by **bjmdds** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:49 am

Angelina Jolie is rumored to have been offered the female lead opposite Brosnan as well for the film. She did not do CR, but will she do TTA?

Post by **The Sweeney** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:02 am

ID wrote:
Count_Lippe wrote:The Thomas Crown Affair was a good film for Brosnan, better than his Bond movies in my opinion!

You can make a case for Mctiernan using Brosnan better than Eon.

I agree totally with this.

Post by **Kristatos** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:54 pm

The Sweeney wrote:Some great films you mentioned there Kris, especially Wild Geese. However, I don't think any of them were particularly successful at the BO (I could be wrong of course).

According to the IMDb, Wild Geese was the 13th biggest grossing film of its year worldwide. It probably would have gone even higher, but its American distributor went belly-up shortly before its release, meaning it only got a limited release in the US. It did well enough to spawn a (Peter Hunt-directed) sequel, though.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:19 pm

Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:Some great films you mentioned there Kris, especially Wild Geese. However, I don't think any of them were particularly successful at the BO (I could be wrong of course).
According to the IMDb, Wild Geese was the 13th biggest grossing film of its year worldwide. It probably would have gone even higher, but its American distributor went belly-up shortly before its release, meaning it only got a limited release in the US. It did well enough to spawn a (Peter Hunt-directed) sequel, though.

A shockingly bad sequel at that!

The good thing about Wild Geese, is it looks very Bondy (Maurice Binder titles, etc.)

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:06 pm

The title for the revenge oriented Bond 22 should be out quite soon I would think. Many more hints on the internet indicate Amy Winehouse could be in the running to sing the title song. She will be doing a tour in September which includes Central Park in New York City. Now all we need is confirmation of these two items to get the new debates rolling.