Skyfall Discussion (spoilers allowed)

[Eye Of The Tiger]

On the topic of EON having people who read our comments on DCINB...

Over the years, I had always heard the quote that Cubby had always told Barbara and Michael not to screw it up with Bond. I had always heard it that he told THEM not to screw it up.

After DC was named the new Bond, there were people like myself that had quoted Cubby on telling THEM not to screw it up. After that, I started (For the very first time) hearing/seeing Barbara say that Cubby had told her and Michael to not let OTHER PEOPLE screw it up. But like I said, before that, I had always heard that he told Barbara and Michael to not screw it up themselves.

When Barbara was interviewed on 60 Minutes a couple of months ago, she clearly emphasized that Cubby told them to not let OTHER PEOPLE screw it up.

I don't know for certain which way Cubby originally said it? But it seemed to me like maybe Barbara had been reading some people like myself saying that her father told her and Michael not to screw it up, and whether she's telling the truth now or not, that she is going to insist that he said for them not to let OTHER PEOPLE screw it up.

Regardless of which way he said it originally, the one thing that we do know for sure is that Barbara has screwed it up HERSELF.

[Eye Of The Tiger]

So, Barbara. What do you say about the fact that I, and most of the other members of DCINB, have more respect for your fathers James Bond than you do?

I think the BO results of 1 billion dollars, coupled with the global critical acclaim may help her get over this.

Well, first of all, Brosnan was known as "The Billion Dollar Bond."

But, more importantly, money isn't everything. Not to get religious, but just as an example, there is a verse in the bible that can be used in this case. "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul" The non-biblical answer to that is that "The World Is Not Enough."

[The Sweeney]

Well, first of all, Brosnan was known as "The Billion Dollar Bond."

I was never sure why Brosnan was known as that, as none of his movies were ever remotely even close to that figure.
Craig is the most successful Bond at the BO since Connery in the 1960's.

As for screwing Bond up, the general audience age group for SF was actually a lot older, according to Mazer, and this set of fans should have turned away from the franchise if they felt it was now screwed up, having grown up with the traditional Bond's.

Your argument would be a lot more valid if the majority of the audience seeing Bond were young kids who had never grown up with the other Bond's.

But this was not the case. I think you have to face facts that people who don't like Craig as Bond are now in the minority these days.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Maybe Bond is impossible to screw up and any old rubbish can be made and it will be popular with the 007 brand associated with it. So bond movies with some odd looking small chap with everyone taking it seriously does well; a movie with some handsome charming male model type made in the style of Austin Powers where Bond goes into space would probably do well too.

Not sure about a FBF "freaks and weirdos" Bond though.

[The Saint 007]

But as bad as the second half of DAD is, it's still at least entertaining, even if it's ridiculous. CR on the other hand, is a royal bore-fest from beginning to end. And I've heard that QOS is even worse.

GoldenEye is my most favourite of the Brosnan Bonds, and it was also the last one that Albert Broccoli had control over. But I still find some enjoyment and entertainment value from Brosnan's other Bond films, unlike Craig's which are pretty dull and depressing. In my opinion, Quantum Of Solace is the worst in the series, and it's not even passable as a standalone action film. It's a mess of a story, with boring characters that all speak in monotone, no humour, terrible action scenes that look as though they were filmed by a child who ate too many candy bars, the list goes on. Overall, I could not find any bit of enjoyment in that film, and if there was anything that actually had a chance of being slightly decent, it was ruined by the shaky camera nonsense.

[The Saint 007]

In this case, James Bond can be anyone, regardless of race and appearance as long as they can act. Like the Saint 007 said, there's no more guidelines on how Bond should look like anymore. Might as well give Bond either a ponytail (no, it's not Fat Seagal or Seagal parody Will Sasso) or an eye-patch. Why not give the Bond role an equal opportunity for everyone? Seriously though. Saint 007, what are your thoughts?

If these new Bonds continue to print money, and Barbara's politically correct attitude goes overboard, then you can pretty much toss the strict casting guidelines out the window, and replace it with the anything goes guideline/mentality.

[FormerBondFan]

In this case, James Bond can be anyone, regardless of race and appearance as long as they can act. Like the Saint 007 said, there's no more guidelines on how Bond should look like anymore. Might as well give Bond either a ponytail (no, it's not Fat Seagal or Seagal parody Will Sasso) or an eye-patch. Why not give the Bond role an equal opportunity for everyone? Seriously though. Saint 007, what are your thoughts?

If these new Bonds continue to print money, and Barbara's politically correct attitude goes overboard, then you can pretty much toss the strict casting guidelines out the window, and replace it with the anything goes guideline/mentality.

Folks in the likes of Christian Bale, Henry Cavill, Michael Fassbender, Richard Armitage, Ben Barnes, and even James D'Arcy should find something better to do. The traditional tall and dark-haired types have done their jobs 5 times already. Send in a black or Asian as Bond. Heck, you might as well send in Bender as well. Speaking of anthing goes....

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1H9eKWPGRo[/video]

[bjmdds]

FBF knows his onions. Listen whence he speaks.

[FormerBondFan]

FBF knows his onions. Listen whence he speaks.

The days of the traditional tall and dark-haired Bond are over.....PERMANENTLY! Anyone who still has faith that he will return is just kidding themselves. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: the franchise is TOO corrupt to bring the likes of first 5 Bonds back. Leave Babs' Bond to ethnic actors, freaks/weirdos, robots, and pets.

[bjamesobrad]

On the topic of EON having people who read our comments on DCINB...

Over the years, I had always heard the quote that Cubby had always told Barbara and Michael not to screw it up with Bond. I had always heard it that he told THEM not to screw it up.

After DC was named the new Bond, there were people like myself that had quoted Cubby on telling THEM not to screw it up. After that, I started (For the very first time) hearing/seeing Barbara say that Cubby had told her and Michael to not let OTHER PEOPLE screw it up. But like I said, before that, I had always heard that he told Barbara and Michael to not screw it up themselves.

When Barbara was interviewed on 60 Minutes a couple of months ago, she clearly emphasized that Cubby told them to not let OTHER PEOPLE screw it up.

I don't know for certain which way Cubby originally said it? But it seemed to me like maybe Barbara had been reading some people like myself saying that her father told her and Michael not to screw it up, and whether she's telling the truth now or not, that she is going to insist that he said for them not to let OTHER PEOPLE screw it up.

Regardless of which way he said it originally, the one thing that we do know for sure is that Barbara has screwed it up HERSELF.

What I heard was that Cubby gave it to BAB's and MGW instead of selling was because he did not want the popular Bond formula to be tampered with. Well in my opinion BAB's and MGW took a big old sh!t on Daddy

[Kristatos]

FBF knows his onions. Listen whence he speaks.

The days of the traditional tall and dark-haired Bond are over.....PERMANENTLY! Anyone who still has faith that he will return is just kidding themselves. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: the franchise is TOO corrupt to bring the likes of first 5 Bonds back. Leave Babs' Bond to ethnic actors, freaks/weirdos, robots, and pets.

You've said this a brazillion times and I can't help wondering...what would your reaction be if, purely hypothetically, it was announced tomorrow that Craig would be leaving the franchise and that Henry Cavill was to be the next James Bond?

[The Saint 007]

What I heard was that Cubby gave it to BAB's and MGW instead of selling was because he did not want the popular Bond formula to be tampered with. Well in my opinion BAB's and MGW took a big old sh!t on Daddy

They sure did. Barbara and Michael abandoned the classic Bond formula, and continuously hide behind the Die Another Day security blanket to justify how the classic formula is soooo bad. The amusing part is THEY were the ones who produced the film! And it's crazy how some people will continuously bash the formula or Brosnan, but completely ignore the producers/filmmakers who are really at fault. Put the blame on the people who actually make the films, not the actor or formula. I'm sure even the unfortunate person at EON who's assigned to read this site will agree with me on that.

[FormerBondFan]

And it's crazy how some people will continuously bash the formula or Brosnan, but completely ignore the producers/filmmakers who are really at fault.

Based on this and Skyfall's success, you can FORGET about bringing back the real Bond (the tall and dark-haired Bond) and instead adopt the "Anything Goes" guidelines. Ethnics actors, freaks/weirdos, robots, pets, aliens......you name them.

[The Saint 007]

And it's crazy how some people will continuously bash the formula or Brosnan, but completely ignore the producers/filmmakers who are really at fault.

Based on this and Skyfall's success, you can FORGET about bringing back the real Bond (the tall and dark-haired Bond) and instead adopt the "Anything Goes" guidelines. Ethnics actors, freaks/weirdos, robots, pets, aliens......you name them.

According to this comic strip, Shadow The Hedgehog would make a good replacement.

But joking aside, we have to try to have some hope that classic Bond will return someday. I've been seeing comments from people saying that there were cheers and applause when the Aston Martin DB5 makes an appearance during Skyfall. Add to the fact that Skyfall was also made to be a little more along the lines of a traditional Bond in comparison to the previous two films, and it obviously shows that classic Bond stills holds more value than the producers and even some of the fans care to admit. People will eventually grow tired of this current style, and then perhaps the classic style of Bond could come back.

To me, the Bond series is just in limbo. However, if the producers ever decide to remake the classics, or Barbara's politically correct attitude goes way overboard, that's when I'll consider the series to be truly dead and no longer worth fighting for.

[FormerBondFan]

FBF knows his onions. Listen whence he speaks.

The days of the traditional tall and dark-haired Bond are over.....PERMANENTLY! Anyone who still has faith that he will return is just kidding themselves. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: the franchise is TOO corrupt to bring the likes of first 5 Bonds back. Leave Babs' Bond to ethnic actors, freaks/weirdos, robots, and pets.

You've said this a brazillion times and I can't help wondering...what would your reaction be if, purely hypothetically, it was announced tomorrow that Craig would be leaving the franchise and that Henry Cavill was to be the next James Bond?

I will not see it unless that b1tch casts a foreigner, considering the general public never DC's Bond from the classic Bonds and the fact that Bond 23 has made history. This proves anyone can be Bond. The series is TOO CORRUPT for the traditional Bond to return. Might as well go Babs' idea of Idris as Bond. Like BJ, too hell with the franchise.

[FormerBondFan]

And it's crazy how some people will continuously bash the formula or Brosnan, but completely ignore the producers/filmmakers who are really at fault.

Based on this and Skyfall's success, you can FORGET about bringing back the real Bond (the tall and dark-haired Bond) and instead adopt the "Anything Goes" guidelines. Ethnics actors, freaks/weirdos, robots, pets, aliens......you name them.

According to this comic strip, Shadow The Hedgehog would make a good replacement.

But joking aside, we have to try to have some hope that classic Bond will return someday. I've been seeing comments from people saying that there were cheers and applause when the Aston Martin DB5 makes an appearance during Skyfall. Add to the fact that Skyfall was also made to be a little more along the lines of a traditional Bond in comparison to the previous two films, and it obviously shows that classic Bond stills holds more value than the producers and even some of the fans care to admit. People will eventually grow tired of this current style, and then perhaps the classic style of Bond could come back.

To me, the Bond series is just in limbo. However, if the producers ever decide to remake the classics, or Barbara's politically correct attitude goes way overboard, that's when I'll consider the series to be truly dead and no longer worth fighting for.

The series is not worth fighting for. It's TOOOOO CORRUPT for the classic Bond to come back. Put it this way. The traditional tall and dark-haired Bond and Babs' Bond DO and WILL NOT MIX. What mixes well with Babs' Bond? The answer is foreigner Bonds. Blacks, Asians, Indians, Arabs, actors with eye-patches, actors with shaven head.....you name them. Babs will gave up her power.

[bjamesobrad]

And it's crazy how some people will continuously bash the formula or Brosnan, but completely ignore the producers/filmmakers who are really at fault.

Based on this and Skyfall's success, you can FORGET about bringing back the real Bond (the tall and dark-haired Bond) and instead adopt the "Anything Goes" guidelines. Ethnics actors, freaks/weirdos, robots, pets, aliens......you name them.

According to this comic strip, Shadow The Hedgehog would make a good replacement.

But joking aside, we have to try to have some hope that classic Bond will return someday. I've been seeing comments from people saying that there were cheers and applause when the Aston Martin DB5 makes an appearance during Skyfall. Add to the fact that Skyfall was also made to be a little more along the lines of a traditional Bond in comparison to the previous two films, and it obviously shows that classic Bond stills holds more value than the producers and even some of the fans care to admit. People will eventually grow tired of this current style, and then perhaps the classic style of Bond could come back.

To me, the Bond series is just in limbo. However, if the producers ever decide to remake the classics, or Barbara's politically correct attitude goes way overboard, that's when I'll consider the series to be truly dead and no longer worth fighting for.

The series is not worth fighting for. It's TOOOOO CORRUPT for the classic Bond to come back. Put it this way. The traditional tall and dark-haired Bond and Babs' Bond DO and WILL NOT MIX. What mixes well with Babs' Bond? The answer is foreigner Bonds. Blacks, Asians, Indians, Arabs, actors with eye-patches, actors with shaven head.....you name them. Babs will gave up her power.

Fight for the things you love man

[FormerBondFan]

And it's crazy how some people will continuously bash the formula or Brosnan, but completely ignore the producers/filmmakers who are really at fault.

Based on this and Skyfall's success, you can FORGET about bringing back the real Bond (the tall and dark-haired Bond) and instead adopt the "Anything Goes" guidelines. Ethnics actors, freaks/weirdos, robots, pets, aliens......you name them.

According to this comic strip, Shadow The Hedgehog would make a good replacement.

But joking aside, we have to try to have some hope that classic Bond will return someday. I've been seeing comments from people saying that there were cheers and applause when the Aston Martin DB5 makes an appearance during Skyfall. Add to the fact that Skyfall was also made to be a little more along the lines of a traditional Bond in comparison to the previous two films, and it obviously shows that classic Bond stills holds more value than the producers and even some of the fans care to admit. People will eventually grow tired of this current style, and then perhaps the classic style of Bond could come back.

To me, the Bond series is just in limbo. However, if the producers ever decide to remake the classics, or Barbara's politically correct attitude goes way overboard, that's when I'll consider the series to be truly dead and no longer worth fighting for.

The series is not worth fighting for. It's TOOOOO CORRUPT for the classic Bond to come back. Put it this way. The traditional tall and dark-haired Bond and Babs' Bond DO and WILL NOT MIX. What mixes well with Babs' Bond? The answer is foreigner Bonds. Blacks, Asians, Indians, Arabs, actors with eye-patches, actors with shaven head.....you name them. Babs will gave up her power.

Fight for the things you love man

I don't trust Babs The B1tch. You can't support anything that is corrupt, and the franchise is like a zombie now. The only thing to do is to root for foreigners as the next Bond, considering that DC was given the good stuff while Pierce was given none. Completely unfair if you ask me. That Queen B1tch is getting away with it, and based on this, anything goes when to casting James Bond these days. Seriously, you might as well make James Bond as the role for everyone regardless of race and appearance. If Babs want to go for Idris Elba as Bond, let's give it to her.

[FormerBondFan]

Babs will gave up her power.

Excuse me, I meant to say Babs will never gave her power.

[The Saint 007]

Babs will gave up her power.

Excuse me, I meant to say Babs will never gave her power.

I've said a few times that considering how long Michael Wilson has been with the series, he should certainly know better. If only he would wake up and stop Barbara from ruining the series further with her politically correct/artistic ideas, kind of like how Darth Vader comes to his senses and destroys the Emperor.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yWR5jePoH8[/video]

Oh no, I'm not suggesting that Michael should throw Barbara into a volcano or anything horrible like that. I just wish he wouldn't go along with everything Barbara does, and tell her (to quote Alan Partridge) "Stop getting Bond wrong!"