The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Omega]

To be honest BJ, this part of DC I respect more than anything else. I really cannot stand the BS pretentious Hollywood brigade. DC is down-to-earth, and trying hard to remain so. He is a Northerner, from working class roots, the same as me. If I was in his shoes, I would probably feel the same way he does about fame. The fact that he swears doesn't bother me at all. I am a huge Oasis fan so expect my idols to swear like troopers in front of journalists. I'm quite into that rock star attitude, and DC has this too.

Across the pond, my favourite movie star is Robert Redford and Steve McQueen - both actors hated being in the public eye too much. Redford retreats to his Sundance ranch whenever he can, and McQueen preferred drinking beers and riding bikes than doing the pretentious celeb Hollywood scene.

It totally get some of what he is saying, in a way its like football stars who go form broke living in the ghetto to a million dollar house and every woman in their circle being after their money. These guy don't know how to handle money and fame, most end up broke when their career is over.
If some body gave me a million a wouldn't know what to do with it. Some teams bring in life coaches and money manager to help these guys.

So I get Craig wanting to quit Bond to know himself again. But he has been a smug stuck up b@stard more often than the guy who is too shy for cameras.
McQueen and Redford were real men who knew who they were before fame and stayed true to it. Still plenty of actors in todays hollywood who have similar sensibilities and they never once acted like Craig does.

I don't think Craig is a bad person I think he is still over his head with Bond, he can't handle the fame like Connery did, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan did. Lazenby just plain didn't handle anything he may be the closest to how overwhelmed Craig is though.

IMO its not completely an act I think this is the guy Craig wants to be, from interviews on his smaller movies I think this is the guy he tires to be when he is not around EON. In that way being around EON is probably bad for him as a person, if he thinks so too he might just quit to know who he is again.

[Omega]

Fandango says Spyfall jumped in sales yesterday I guess, still not teh level of big films like Dark Knight rises, or Avengers but I guess about normal for bigish opening movie. how big is what we got the game for

Fandango
Skyfall scooped up 65% of all online ticket sales before opening today. Not opening for another week, Twilight Saga’s Breaking Dawn Part 2 has 17%, and The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey took in 15% even though it won’t be released for more than a month.

MovieTickets
On Thursday the results were Skyfall 58.79% (41.74% for standard screens and 17.05% for IMAX), Breaking Dawn 23%, and Hobbit with just under 5%.

[Dr. No]

If you want to feel sorry for Craig its not that hard every 2 years or 4 as it was this time he is forced to go the gym and work out like a monkey, then he gets to go to work and have his boss drool over him with he insisting he be more a body builder than actor. The other Bonds got to live their lives and do other thing Craig seem like when he is doing Bond that is all he has time for.

But sweeny we get Craig I want to get out of the fame right now, for months he was going on about how HE made SKyfall, directors, actors, everything down to the song was him. Thats a person trying either compensate for something or grab more of the praise than is his share. By compensate I'm not being crude, I mean compensate as in maybe he doesn't like his job and want to be seen as something more than the body builder his boss wants him to be.

[bjmdds]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/b ... nds-388100

[Dr. No]

Petraeus Resigns!

WTF he was the one guy I though Obama did well hiring. The Affair doesn't make sense unless there is more to it.

[The Sweeney]

If you want to feel sorry for Craig its not that hard every 2 years or 4 as it was this time he is forced to go the gym and work out like a monkey, then he gets to go to work and have his boss drool over him with he insisting he be more a body builder than actor. The other Bonds got to live their lives and do other thing Craig seem like when he is doing Bond that is all he has time for.

But sweeny we get Craig I want to get out of the fame right now, for months he was going on about how HE made SKyfall, directors, actors, everything down to the song was him. Thats a person trying either compensate for something or grab more of the praise than is his share. By compensate I'm not being crude, I mean compensate as in maybe he doesn't like his job and want to be seen as something more than the body builder his boss wants him to be.

I think its dangers with the profession of an actor. I always wanted to be an actor when I was younger, then as I've got older I have seen the profession in a different light. Fakes, luuvies, pretentiousness galore. Many of them are willing to bare their skin at the drop of a hat, not too far removed from hookers and strippers. People idolising you who don't even know you, not safe to walk to the shops or go the pub - and the more famous you get, the worse it gets. You are a marked target the minute you leave your front door. People may want to run up and kiss you, or kill you.

Right now Craig is probably one of the biggest actors we have in the UK, and now with SF on the brink of breaking all sorts of records, Craig's fame will only rocket further.

Connery had issues with Bond at the height of his fame in the 1960's, and it sounds like Craig is suffering the same way working-class Connery did. Moore and Brozza handled the fame much better, probably the best out of all the actors.

Dalton and Lazenby never hung on to Bond long enough to suffer the same idolisation that the others have gone through.

[Dr. No]

Connery had issues with Bond at the height of his fame in the 1960's, and it sounds like Craig is suffering the same way working-class Connery did. Moore and Brozza handled the fame much better, probably the best out of all the actors.

Connery was Bond at the height of Bond fame, but he was never as mixed up about it as Craig says he is. Connery was more professional he did if job as the contract required, he didn't go a round telling everyone how many he has left or he wipe his but with the contract if he could. He did want more money as Bond grew but that isn't the same thing as what Craig is saying.

Beside Connery getting angry about being flowed in to the bathroom his public demeanor was much more professional. But all the Bond came from working class backgrounds, I don't think any of them had trust funds or family names to disgrace and all have know poverty to various degrees.

I member Dalton talking about going to Africa or someplace like it and having people run up to him asking him about bond and being upset he wasn't driving a Aston Martin and he never hit the same plateau as the others.

[katied]

I liked it. Not loved, but liked. There was a lot that I thought Spyfall could have done without, but I'll post a review in the Spyfall section and you can see if you agree.

[The Sweeney]

Connery had issues with Bond at the height of his fame in the 1960's, and it sounds like Craig is suffering the same way working-class Connery did. Moore and Brozza handled the fame much better, probably the best out of all the actors.

Connery was Bond at the height of Bond fame, but he was never as mixed up about it as Craig says he is. Connery was more professional he did if job as the contract required, he didn't go a round telling everyone how many he has left or he wipe his but with the contract if he could. He did want more money as Bond grew but that isn't the same thing as what Craig is saying.

Beside Connery getting angry about being flowed in to the bathroom his public demeanor was much more professional. But all the Bond came from working class backgrounds, I don't think any of them had trust funds or family names to disgrace and all have know poverty to various degrees.

I member Dalton talking about going to Africa or someplace like it and having people run up to him asking him about bond and being upset he wasn't driving a Aston Martin and he never hit the same plateau as the others.

We are in a different place now. Media on tap 24/7, websites posting and reposting articles and interviews online - there is no escape anymore. Had Connery been Bond in this time, there may have been a lot more reported on him than was revealed back in the 60's.

Hell, the media and online frenzy has changed even since Brozza was Bond.

[The Sweeney]

I liked it. Not loved, but liked. There was a lot that I thought Spyfall could have done without, but I'll post a review in the Spyfall section and you can see if you agree.

Glad to hear you liked it Katied.....

[Dr. No]

We are in a different place now. Media on tap 24/7, websites posting and reposting articles and interviews online - there is no escape anymore. Had Connery been Bond in this time, there may have been a lot more reported on him than was revealed back in the 60's.

Hell, the media and online frenzy has changed even since Brozza was Bond.

You got me thinking, I wonder if we could dig up every independent article / interview with Conner specifically 1962 -1967 how many unique stories it would be. IIMO it could be surprising how many, but I have the image of the Beatlemania 1960s.

You got about 24/7 cycle, today one place can publish a new interview and no less than 20 cut and past it. It increases the coverage but decreases the unique new information out there.
Maybe Craig does the same amount of real interviews (face to face with a reporter) as Brosnan did but it is covered by 500 different places instead of 200.

[The Sweeney]

We are in a different place now. Media on tap 24/7, websites posting and reposting articles and interviews online - there is no escape anymore. Had Connery been Bond in this time, there may have been a lot more reported on him than was revealed back in the 60's.

Hell, the media and online frenzy has changed even since Brozza was Bond.

You got me thinking, I wonder if we could dig up every independent article / interview with Conner specifically 1962 -1967 how many unique stories it would be. IIMO it could be surprising how many, but I have the image of the Beatlemania 1960s.

You got about 24/7 cycle, today one place can publish a new interview and no less than 20 cut and past it. It increases the coverage but decreases the unique new information out there.
Maybe Craig does the same amount of real interviews (face to face with a reporter) as Brosnan did but it is covered by 500 different places instead of 200.

Exactly Doc. I am one of these copy and pasters with my own website......

[Dr. No]

I never noticed. I guess it goes to show the new media circuit, if you hadn't posted it I might not have seen it so the story got a bigger audience .

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byku-4Sl ... g-logo-xit

[The Saint 007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byku-4Sl ... g-logo-xit

That was great!

[Omega]

Skyfall has $2.2 from Imax Thursday, $2.4 from midnight showing that count for today total, well estimated totals at this point.

Thor had $3.25 million with a opening weekend of $65 million, 'Captain America got $4 again it was $65 for the weekend, first class had $4.3 million and 55 weekend.
So I'd say based on the midnight alone its 50-65 range. I can't remember which of those moves has 3D Xmen I'm sure didn't using that as a guide
Skyfalll could have a $21 million Friday qos had I think a similar midnight showing which was a $27 million Friday.
If it bigger than $27 million then it might break the 80 million mark.

[Omega]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byku-4Sl ... g-logo-xit

That was great!

thats a keeper!

[Alessandra]

I think Sweeney is going to be SHOCKED by what I'm about to say, but here goes.

I saw Skyfall. I think it is WAY better than QoS (not that it takes much, but still). And I think it has some hints of them getting the message that they've got to STOP giving us Bourne instead of Bond movies. The plot is pretty straightforward, nothing sensational, but works ok. I think this may be a good sign, in some ways, for the future of the franchise. Provided they adjust it and get back to MORE classic Bond. Last half hour lags, and is quite weird, for lack of a better word. But I think this is definitely the best of the three movies Craig did.

Now, the bad news: Craig is AWFUL and I mean AWFUL for this. He looks about one freaking HUNDRED years old in this one. He was never right for the role, ever, but now it's way past "not right". It's insulting to have a Bond who looks like that. Bardem even with that hair looked more Bondian than he did. I wish I was kidding. The Bond girls and women roles in generals are forgettable to say the least, and this bothers me A LOT. Bond girls were always a fundamental part of the imagery of Bond, but at this rate, we're not even getting that anymore. And no, Marlohe is not enough for it, especially not with so little airtime. So that needs major fixing.

But I have to say I'm hoping that, with the fixes that need to be made, once we have Craig finally out of the way, we may have hope to return to a movie with James Bond ACTUALLY in it, if they start learning their lessons. And it looks like they are starting to.

[katied]

*definitely* better than Skyfall. That may well be the understatement of the decade. And I have to agree that, at tmes, Craig looks very old. There.I said it.

[FormerBondFan]

I think Sweeney is going to be SHOCKED by what I'm about to say, but here goes.

I saw Skyfall. I think it is WAY better than QoS (not that it takes much, but still). And I think it has some hints of them getting the message that they've got to STOP giving us Bourne instead of Bond movies. The plot is pretty straightforward, nothing sensational, but works ok. I think this may be a good sign, in some ways, for the future of the franchise. Provided they adjust it and get back to MORE classic Bond. Last half hour lags, and is quite weird, for lack of a better word. But I think this is definitely the best of the three movies Craig did.

Now, the bad news: Craig is AWFUL and I mean AWFUL for this. He looks about one freaking HUNDRED years old in this one. He was never right for the role, ever, but now it's way past "not right". It's insulting to have a Bond who looks like that. Bardem even with that hair looked more Bondian than he did. I wish I was kidding. The Bond girls and women roles in generals are forgettable to say the least, and this bothers me A LOT. Bond girls were always a fundamental part of the imagery of Bond, but at this rate, we're not even getting that anymore. And no, Marlohe is not enough for it, especially not with so little airtime. So that needs major fixing.

But I have to say I'm hoping that, with the fixes that need to be made, once we have Craig finally out of the way, we may have hope to return to a movie with James Bond ACTUALLY in it, if they start learning their lessons. And it looks like they are starting to.

If Skyfall is better than QOS and even CR, you might have the weirdos take over.