The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[The Sweeney]

I think its a disgrace that the gunbarrel is not at the beginning.
It sounds like this time round Mickey and Babs got quite a few things right with the film itself, but couldn't resist one more slap in the face to the fans along the way.

[The Saint 007]

Barbara and Michael don't care about tradition or the classic Bond fans. The gunbarrel is an iconic and historical image in cinema history, and they just go and mess it up and spit in the faces of the fans. And like I said before, if they're not afraid of ruining one tradition, then they'll continue to ruin/remove even more traditional elements that gave the Bond series its own unique charm. It's going to get worse and worse, until you can no longer recognize the series for what it originally was.

[Mazer Rackham]

Adele beat Gangnam Style in the UK and is No. 2. Joint highest ever, along with AVTAK!!!

I think we have a bit more taste this side of the water.....

With regards the US, Adele rocketed immediately into the top 10, only the second time that has happened in Billboard’s 54 years of publishing charts. I still expect it to climb even higher once the film opens.

It's about Adele not Bond, Adele is selling. It was a smart call because she has a massive fan base the producers made a decent a call this time by returning to a.) song and movie title the same and b.) using a artist popular today.

The exact same song released by anybody else would not be on the charts at least not the same high watermarks. A Dan and Babs duet Skyfall would be even lower.

Traditionally the song should be peaking about now, I doubt the movie release day will spur it upwards, this is normally where album sales replace single sales.

Adele is generating a lot more attestation than it otherwise would be without her, I think it could have done better had more time been spend on the lyrics.

[Napoleon Solo]

Barbara and Michael don't care about tradition or the classic Bond fans. The gunbarrel is an iconic and historical image in cinema history, and they just go and mess it up and spit in the faces of the fans. And like I said before, if they're not afraid of ruining one tradition, then they'll continue to ruin/remove even more traditional elements that gave the Bond series its own unique charm. It's going to get worse and worse, until you can no longer recognize the series for what it originally was.

Eon craves critical respect. It got a taste of it when Casino Royale came out. I think that's part of why Marc Forster got the Quantum job; he had a few movies that were well reviewed by critics. That didn't work out so well, but the Writer's Guild strike of 2007 has become a scapegoat. There were signs Eon didn't really know where to proceed, including how Paul Haggis pursued a storyline about Bond tracking down Vesper's child.

The thing is, there's a part(maybe a big part) of the Bond fan base that also craves critical respect -- that Bond isn't mere escapism, but art worthy of an Oscar. So when you analyze Quantum and its flaws, they don't want to hear it. They ask for proof. When it's supplied, their ultimate reply it's it's your fault for bringing up the flaws.

I think the direction isn't going to change, and the Skyfall gunbarrel showing up at the end of the movie is a sign of that. With all these positive reviews, that will further reinforce the deal. I think the movie would have to bomb at the box office and I doubt that's going to happen.

[bjmdds]

http://tv.broadwayworld.com/article/VID ... s-20121013

[Dr. No]

Barbara and Michael don't care about tradition or the classic Bond fans. The gunbarrel is an iconic and historical image in cinema history, and they just go and mess it up and spit in the faces of the fans. And like I said before, if they're not afraid of ruining one tradition, then they'll continue to ruin/remove even more traditional elements that gave the Bond series its own unique charm. It's going to get worse and worse, until you can no longer recognize the series for what it originally was.

Eon craves critical respect. It got a taste of it when Casino Royale came out. I think that's part of why Marc Forster got the Quantum job; he had a few movies that were well reviewed by critics. That didn't work out so well, but the Writer's Guild strike of 2007 has become a scapegoat. There were signs Eon didn't really know where to proceed, including how Paul Haggis pursued a storyline about Bond tracking down Vesper's child.

The thing is, there's a part(maybe a big part) of the Bond fan base that also craves critical respect -- that Bond isn't mere escapism, but art worthy of an Oscar. So when you analyze Quantum and its flaws, they don't want to hear it. They ask for proof. When it's supplied, their ultimate reply it's it's your fault for bringing up the flaws.

I think the direction isn't going to change, and the Skyfall gunbarrel showing up at the end of the movie is a sign of that. With all these positive reviews, that will further reinforce the deal. I think the movie would have to bomb at the box office and I doubt that's going to happen.

There is more truth to this than I'd like

[Dr. No]

All the reviews so far have been from so called journalists who are paid to do so. They are all invited to these things, and no doubt from all the one sided opinions, have been paid off handsomely.
Not one of them had the courage to say what they really thought. How amazing.
The test will come when the general public view the film, and let the real reviews begin.

Welcome White Knight

[katied]

http://tv.broadwayworld.com/article/VID ... s-20121013

All the moe reason to get caught up on TiVoed stuff tonight

[Gala Brand]

Experts predict Skyfall will do over $1 billion at the box office.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film ... -film.html

[Napoleon Solo]

Experts predict Skyfall will do over $1 billion at the box office.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film ... -film.html

I read the story. Headline says "experts." Only one person is quoted as saying it "could" have ticket sales of $1 billion. Most of the story concerns the good reviews. Other than that, no evidence of a $1 billion projection.

Earlier this year, it was estimated that Thunderball's ticket sales on an inflation-adjusted basis totaled $1.04 billion. If this story turns out to be correct, then Skyfall could (that word again) lay claim to biggest Bond of all even adjusted for inflation. We'll see. In the U.S., I'm not getting the sense that people (outside of the fan base) are anticipating the movie. But I could be wrong and the U.S. is maybe 25%-33% of the total market.

[FormerBondFan]

$1 billion for Bond 23? Definitely send in the freaks to take over once DC retires.

[bjmdds]

Gee wiz, with such a ridiculous and bold statement by these loons at the Telegraph did you happen to see the number of comments? ONE Comparing this to The Dark Knight? Did they forget about Twilight"s release? The Hobbit's release? Both of these will bury it in the media. An opening sequence that deserves Oscars by an Oscar director and an Oscar supporting cast.............give me a break. $1 billion? The green vegetable was on 60 minutes with her hibernating dolt of a step brother by her side. She did 90% of the talking. He just sat there like a lap dog. She described herself as a control freak and will keep making Bond films as long as people keep coming to see them.

[Napoleon Solo]

Here is the part of the article that deals with the $1 billion:

//Experts predicted it could rival the success of Christopher Nolan’s two Dark Knight films, both of which earned more than $1 billion (£622m) at the box office.

Last night, Jane Crowther, editor-in-chief of Total Film magazine, said: “Nostalgia for Bond is at such a high now surrounding the anniversary.

“It is also a film that invites repeat viewings with its complex and rich script and performances. I think it has taken lessons from Dark Knight and, therefore, could do just as well in its takings.” //


First, the two Dark Knight films (out of the total 3-film series) didn't "earn" $1 billion. They had $1 billion each in ticket sales. That's revenue. You have to deduct costs from revenue to get profit, also known as EARNINGS. When you say a company "earned" $XXXXX, that's profit, not revenue.

Second, the $1 billion angle is based entirely on Jane Crowther. It's almost as if The Telegraph took the quote "could do just as well in its takings" and projected a $1 billion total box office for Skyfall.

[Napoleon Solo]

Gee wiz, with such a ridiculous and bold statement by these loons at the Telegraph did you happen to see the number of comments? ONE Comparing this to The Dark Knight? Did they forget about Twilight"s release? The Hobbit's release? Both of these will bury it in the media. An opening sequence that deserves Oscars by an Oscar director and an Oscar supporting cast.............give me a break. $1 billion? The green vegetable was on 60 minutes with her hibernating dolt of a step brother by her side. She did 90% of the talking. He just sat there like a lap dog. She described herself as a control freak and will keep making bond films as long as people keep coming to see them.

To be technical, Wilson is her half-brother (same mother, different fathers). (Sorry, not trying to sound like a know-it-all).

[Mazer Rackham]

I don't believe the billion dollar estimate for several reasons. Let me offer some food for thought -remember the possible IPO? What are prices contingent on? If a company is trying to cash in on a IPO how could they promote the idea of their value? Finally who is their marketing focus going after?

[bjmdds]

"Here, Bond (Daniel Craig) faces a foe almost as inscrutable as the Joker himself: Raoul Silva (Javier Bardem), an ex-MI6 agent who worked with M (Judi Dench) in her pre-Handover Hong Kong days who has returned, unhinged by a perceived betrayal, as a master computer hacker bent on vengeance.
Bardem’s lip-lickingly camp turn makes him the oddest Bond villain since the Roger Moore era, and his nicotine hair flops queasily over his forehead in a way that calls to mind Julian Assange. By acknowledging the rise of cyberterrorism in the same way Nolan played on the West’s new vulnerability in the wake of 9/11, Skyfall is a Bond film for the Anonymous generation." This is from some idiot named Robbie Collin at the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film ... eview.html Look at these responses below his review. People are NOT excited about this film nor Cr-egg. The more I size this up I am sensing a payoff by Eon to guarantee positive reviews and I do NOT believe people will flock to see Daniel Craig here in the USA. What you people overseas do is another matter. Read the above plot. It's SICK and ridiculous and foreign to Fleming. Comparing THIS to the Bat? The Avengers? Potter? All of these grossed over $1 million. FBF, this is a colluded effort to bolster Eon and MGM before the IPO stock offering. I do not believe it any more just like I did not believe the biased liberal media about Oh-bama's huge lead in the polls here. Trust me........NO way this film is a blockbuster here in the USA.

[bjmdds]

jayspeakshismind
21 minutes ago
Everywhere that I look there are pages of superlatives written about the new Bond movie, Skyfall. However, I do not have any sense of anticipation for the film at all. To begin with, Daniel Craig looks too anonymous to be a leading figure. He seems more like a stunt double. Someone you might glimpse briefly in the edit of an action scene who you know is not really the main character, but looks anonymous enough to suspend your disbelief. No disrespect to DC who brings something new to the part, but this is a very depressing period for Bond movies which are, admittedly, an institution. Craig is not a natural for the role in my view. There has never been a fair-haired Bond, though that doesn't matter. It is possibly his emotionless visage which puts me off the character. Leaving aside good production standards, an excellent director, top grade special effects on hand (if not always used) I don't feel any real empathy with this James Bond guy or any surprise at the pantomime villains. Also, I am not someone who appreciates Dame Judy Dench in the role of 'M' and feel that it is too big a stretch to imagine her as a real life counterpart. I was looking forward to seeing Naomi Harris in the role of Eve, but I'm not liking the 'dark' look of any of the stills or trailers, and she looks privately bored. I have the feeling this is not going to be a good film despite all the patriotic hype.

[bjmdds]

drcb
Yesterday 09:44 AM
When they have to resort to this amount of hype and pre-publicity it almost always turns out to be a turkey .

Brace yourselves , folks !

[bjmdds]

I don't believe the billion dollar estimate for several reasons. Let me offer some food for thought -remember the possible IPO? What are prices contingent on? If a company is trying to cash in on a IPO how could they promote the idea of their value? Finally who is their marketing focus going after?

Q, you are more Q than this computer geek they just created. You are correct. The IPO has made them pay off these critics because there is NO way to heap such praise on a film that has yet to earn 1 penny and has deviated so far off base that the CRITICS say Fleming would find ALIEN

[The Sweeney]

I don't believe the billion dollar estimate for several reasons. Let me offer some food for thought -remember the possible IPO? What are prices contingent on? If a company is trying to cash in on a IPO how could they promote the idea of their value? Finally who is their marketing focus going after?

Q, you are more Q than this computer geek they just created. You are correct. The IPO has made them pay off these critics because there is NO way to heap such praise on a film that has yet to earn 1 penny and has deviated so far off base that the CRITICS say Fleming would find ALIEN

It was only 1 critic that said this BJ. Other critics have said this film is more in line with Fleming, particularly his last 2 novels.

And being alien to Fleming is nothing new - double taking pigeons, volcano lairs, invisible cars and underwater tie-straightening is also alien to Fleming, yet you like this kind of stuff in Bond movies.

As for BO predictions, it looks like my predictions for Skyfall are still right on track - biggest Bond film in years (adjusted for inflation too).