The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[The Sweeney]

So I was just on IMDb, and I'm reading threads about the gunbarrel in Skyfall being at the end of the film again. If this is actually certain, then the producers have truly lost it. After all the compaints from fans about the last few gunbarrel sequences, they just go right ahead and do the same thing again! Why?!?

"Because it's creative and artistic, you stupid classic Bond fan!", shouts Michael Wilson.

No, it's not, and I'm tired of them saying we make films for the fans, when they truly don't give a d**n about them. Barbara and Michael need to be replaced with people that actually care and want to make proper Bond films.

I don't agree with the decision to play the gunbarrel at the end either. Part of me is hoping this is just one last surprise for audiences in 2 weeks time, as press previews sometimes can still be tweaked before premiere nights.

If the film itself is superb (and judging by the overwhelming positive response this morning, I have every reason to believe it will be) then the gunbarrel appearing at the end of the film I can live with.

[Napoleon Solo]

So I was just on IMDb, and I'm reading threads about the gunbarrel in Skyfall being at the end of the film again. If this is actually certain, then the producers have truly lost it. After all the compaints from fans about the last few gunbarrel sequences, they just go right ahead and do the same thing again! Why?!?

"Because it's creative and artistic, you stupid classic Bond fan!", shouts Michael Wilson.

No, it's not, and I'm tired of them saying we make films for the fans, when they truly don't give a d**n about them. Barbara and Michael need to be replaced with people that actually care and want to make proper Bond films.

I don't agree with the decision to play the gunbarrel at the end either. Part of me is hoping this is just one last surprise for audiences in 2 weeks time, as press previews sometimes can still be tweaked before premiere nights.

If the film itself is superb (and judging by the overwhelming positive response this morning, I have every reason to believe it will be) then the gunbarrel appearing at the end of the film I can live with.

While I can live with it also, what's the rationale this time? Is it something like this?

CASINO ROYALE: He's *not* really James Bond at the start of the movie, so we can't have a classic gunbarrel.

QUANTUM OF SOLACE: You only *thought* he was really James Bond at the end of Casino Royale. He's not *really* James Bond until the end of this movie. So we put a classic gunbarrel at the end.

SKYFALL: OK, he was James Bond, but then he lost it, had to find it again, so he's *really* James Bond at the end of this movie. So that's why we put the gunbarrel at the end *this time*.

BTW, on the DVD extras either Purvis or Wade said the story of Die Another Day was how he becomes James Bond again. So I'm not exactly stretching with my speculation about why Skyfall's gunbarrel would be at the end of the movie.

[The Sweeney]

So I was just on IMDb, and I'm reading threads about the gunbarrel in Skyfall being at the end of the film again. If this is actually certain, then the producers have truly lost it. After all the compaints from fans about the last few gunbarrel sequences, they just go right ahead and do the same thing again! Why?!?

"Because it's creative and artistic, you stupid classic Bond fan!", shouts Michael Wilson.

No, it's not, and I'm tired of them saying we make films for the fans, when they truly don't give a d**n about them. Barbara and Michael need to be replaced with people that actually care and want to make proper Bond films.

I don't agree with the decision to play the gunbarrel at the end either. Part of me is hoping this is just one last surprise for audiences in 2 weeks time, as press previews sometimes can still be tweaked before premiere nights.

If the film itself is superb (and judging by the overwhelming positive response this morning, I have every reason to believe it will be) then the gunbarrel appearing at the end of the film I can live with.

While I can live with it also, what's the rationale this time? Is it something like this?

CASINO ROYALE: He's *not* really James Bond at the start of the movie, so we can't have a classic gunbarrel.

QUANTUM OF SOLACE: You only *thought* he was really James Bond at the end of Casino Royale. He's not *really* James Bond until the end of this movie. So we put a classic gunbarrel at the end.

SKYFALL: OK, he was James Bond, but then he lost it, had to find it again, so he's *really* James Bond at the end of this movie. So that's why we put the gunbarrel at the end *this time*.

BTW, on the DVD extras either Purvis or Wade said the story of Die Another Day was how he becomes James Bond again. So I'm not exactly stretching with my speculation about why Skyfall's gunbarrel would be at the end of the movie.

It is probably more a BS artistic decision than anything else, a bit like the Bourne song which always appears at the end credits of each Bourne flick.

I don't agree with this anyway, so regardless of all the positive reviews, there is already a black mark in my book for sticking the gunbarrel at the end.

[Napoleon Solo]

Thanks Sweeney for tracking all the reviews.

[katied]

With regards to the bootleg thing:People at other websites have about cr@pped a brick when something that was a copyrighted/offfical(?)l image was posted..got upset about their site possibly being closed down.As little as we have in common with those sites, I can see why a comment about someone buying a bootleg copy of Spyfail might make some here nervous.

[The Saint 007]

James Bond has a traditional beginning just like Star Wars has its traditional beginning. It's upsetting how they continue to mess it up over and over.

In Die Another Day there was the lame CGI bullet. But at least the gunbarrel was placed at the beginning, so they got it half right.

Casino Royale had that ugly spiral-looking gunbarrel in the washroom. And what a perfect analogy, the series is spiraling down the toilet. Yes, I know the gunbarrel wasn't placed right at the start because it was Bond's beginning, I guess I'll have to side with that. But then comes...

Quantum Of Solace, with a gunbarrel placed at the end, and Craig walking like he needs to go to the washroom. Oh, but the gunbarrel was placed at the end to show that Bond is transitioning into the cool spy we all know and love. If that was the case, then why is the gunbarrel appearing at the end of Skyfall? Will there be some other ingenious artistic meaning behind that too?

Call me a traditionalist, but I don't care for all this artistic nonsense in James Bond. And the fact that fans on the forums can predict most of these lame surprises, pretty much shows that the producers are not as artistic or ingenious as they think.

[The Sweeney]

James Bond has a traditional beginning just like Star Wars has its traditional beginning. It's upsetting how they continue to mess it up over and over.

In Die Another Day there was the lame CGI bullet. But at least the gunbarrel was placed at the beginning, so they got it half right.

Casino Royale had that ugly spiral-looking gunbarrel in the washroom. And what a perfect analogy, the series is spiraling down the toilet. Yes, I know the gunbarrel wasn't placed right at the start because it was Bond's beginning, I guess I'll have to side with that. But then comes...

Quantum Of Solace, with a gunbarrel placed at the end, and Craig walking like he needs to go to the washroom. Oh, but the gunbarrel was placed at the end to show that Bond is transitioning into the cool spy we all know and love. If that was the case, then why is the gunbarrel appearing at the end of Skyfall? Will there be some other ingenious artistic meaning behind that too?

Call me a traditionalist, but I don't care for all this artistic nonsense in James Bond. And the fact that fans on the forums can predict most of these lame surprises, pretty much shows that the producers are not as artistic or ingenious as they think.

Like I said earlier, this has already placed a black mark against if the gunbarrel doesn't appear at the beginning. Totally unnecessary IMO.

[Gary Seven]

Skyfall Sounds like another Casino Royale: namely a load of pretentious, post-modern nonsense far removed from the Cubby Broccoli movies with Daniel Craig's usual dour performance.

Apparently the new Q says "we don't do exploding pens anymore" which leads me to suspect Skyfall will be highly smug and irritating.

Those who love Casino Royale and Craig will be wetting their trousers; but those of us who don't will have another Bond movie we can't watch.

[FormerBondFan]

Gary....it's good to see you again. You should post here more often.

[bjmdds]

Critics like it? Wait until the public sees it once. They won't be running back so fast. Critics hate what makes Bond great.....escapism........the only thing this film will generate are escape exits from the theatres due to boredom and a depressing and morose plot. Do not delude yourselves into thinking that this garbage will maintain itself once Twilight embarks on the theatres 1 week later. Repeat admissions is what brings in the dough.

[Mazer Rackham]

Early to say at this stage, but the verdict is out folks, and the critics simply love Skyfall. This is being received very differently to QoS. I don't even recall CR getting this many 5 star reviews.

CR's opener was pretty damned charmed, difference is today there are so many more places considered legitimate for reviews, more than the old printed press, any geezer with a digital blog is a go to guy in today's streaming world.

[The Sweeney]

Early to say at this stage, but the verdict is out folks, and the critics simply love Skyfall. This is being received very differently to QoS. I don't even recall CR getting this many 5 star reviews.

CR's opener was pretty damned charmed, difference is today there are so many more places considered legitimate for reviews, more than the old printed press, any geezer with a digital blog is a go to guy in today's streaming world.

What I want to know is, why didn't my FilmNav website get an invite to the press preview??

F£ck you EON!!

[Mazer Rackham]

The classic Bond 50 set made MGM a lot of money, at least $7m in the US selling more than 46k sets, not counting the reissues or other sales from places like Wal-mart who do not report sales or the sales in rest of the world.

[Gala Brand]

Apparently all of the early reviews for "Skyfall" are good to outstanding.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/ ... 0L20121013

[Mazer Rackham]

Early to say at this stage, but the verdict is out folks, and the critics simply love Skyfall. This is being received very differently to QoS. I don't even recall CR getting this many 5 star reviews.

CR's opener was pretty damned charmed, difference is today there are so many more places considered legitimate for reviews, more than the old printed press, any geezer with a digital blog is a go to guy in today's streaming world.

What I want to know is, why didn't my FilmNav website get an invite to the press preview??

F£ck you EON!!

Honestly I rather a review from you -as wrong headed as it is , you at least know what Bond is, some of these guys reviewing have no idea what Bond is aside from having watched part of Moonraker on TV once.

[Mazer Rackham]

So I was just on IMDb, and I'm reading threads about the gunbarrel in Skyfall being at the end of the film again. If this is actually certain, then the producers have truly lost it. After all the compaints from fans about the last few gunbarrel sequences, they just go right ahead and do the same thing again! Why?!?

"Because it's creative and artistic, you stupid classic Bond fan!", shouts Michael Wilson.

No, it's not, and I'm tired of them saying we make films for the fans, when they truly don't give a d**n about them. Barbara and Michael need to be replaced with people that actually care and want to make proper Bond films.

I don't agree with the decision to play the gunbarrel at the end either. Part of me is hoping this is just one last surprise for audiences in 2 weeks time, as press previews sometimes can still be tweaked before premiere nights.

If the film itself is superb (and judging by the overwhelming positive response this morning, I have every reason to believe it will be) then the gunbarrel appearing at the end of the film I can live with.

While I can live with it also, what's the rationale this time? Is it something like this?

CASINO ROYALE: He's *not* really James Bond at the start of the movie, so we can't have a classic gunbarrel.

QUANTUM OF SOLACE: You only *thought* he was really James Bond at the end of Casino Royale. He's not *really* James Bond until the end of this movie. So we put a classic gunbarrel at the end.

SKYFALL: OK, he was James Bond, but then he lost it, had to find it again, so he's *really* James Bond at the end of this movie. So that's why we put the gunbarrel at the end *this time*.

BTW, on the DVD extras either Purvis or Wade said the story of Die Another Day was how he becomes James Bond again. So I'm not exactly stretching with my speculation about why Skyfall's gunbarrel would be at the end of the movie.

It is probably more a BS artistic decision than anything else, a bit like the Bourne song which always appears at the end credits of each Bourne flick.

I don't agree with this anyway, so regardless of all the positive reviews, there is already a black mark in my book for sticking the gunbarrel at the end.

They've been stuck on rediscovering Bond for a long time now, I'm talking long before Craig.

[Mazer Rackham]

Thanks Sweeney for tracking all the reviews.

I say keep them coming.

[The Sweeney]

Thanks Sweeney for tracking all the reviews.

I say keep them coming.

Cheers guys!!

[bjmdds]

I saw Bond 23 as a private screening. It turns out, Eve is an out of work hairdresser who gets hired to shoot Bond and then becomes Ms. Moneypenny as her alias. Bond really is M's son, given up for adoption, and his killed parents actually adopted him. He has a half-brother who loves kinky sex with both men and women and goes by the name of Silva. He has a fascination with Jame Gumb from Silence Of The Lambs so he dyes his hair yellow. When he tells Bond they are related, they both decide to burn down their family home with M in it. Throughout the film both Bond and his half-brother Silva are depressed individuals on Prozac. Silva has to bet kept in a glass cage so he won't hurt himself but there is no bathroom in the cube. Q is presented as a weird Harry Potter fan who is asked to devise a computer game to keep Silva and Bond happy and get them out of their depressed states. There is a cameo at the end of Bond in bed with a woman who turns out to be Boar-bara Broccolli who receives her first on screen acting role and first kiss as well. The film ends with the slogan, "James Bond will NEVER return so tough luck kids!". Stay clear of this rubbish. If SHE keeps him for another film, I will turn over all duties here to FBF as we all retire from our exhaustive attempts to rid this planet of DC as Bond. FBF, send in every single weirdo you can find IF the minions actually pay money to see this Mendes driven drek

[FormerBondFan]

I saw Bond 23 as a private screening.

You're kidding, right?