The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[FormerBondFan]

I'm considering of seeing Hugo sometime this week. I have no intention of seeing Tintin or Dragon Tattoo.

[bjmdds]

"a killer marketing campaign from distributor Sony Pictures".................even with this Cr-egg's Tattoo faded away. WHEN will Pascal and Sony wake up and smell the coffee?

When the Curse of Craig hits the Bond franchise, and not before.

FBF, which of the 3 unforgivable curses shall the Bond franchise receive? Unforgivable Curses are the three most powerful and sinister spells known to the wizarding world, and are tools of the Dark Arts. They were first classified as "Unforgivable" in 1717. They are the Killing Curse, Avada Kedavra, the Cruciatus Curse, Crucio, and the Imperius Curse, Imperio.

[Mazer Rackham]

"a killer marketing campaign from distributor Sony Pictures".................even with this Cr-egg's Tattoo faded away. WHEN will Pascal and Sony wake up and smell the coffee?

When the Curse of Craig hits the Bond franchise, and not before.

Yes and no, I doubt Craig will be seeing many more of these fat paydays. $6m each for his last few movies he brought nothing to the party. He is a PR nightmare, there is a recent interviewer who took time to say he nice Craig was this time and not like the other times were he was very standoffish. Danny boy must of been on his meds that day, more often than not he is horrible at selling himself or/and the movies he was paid to promote.

For all the talk of GWTDT what if Craig had not been cast or does not return for the sequels, would it matter? Mara is the star no question, would a better leading man have helped? Would it not have matter because this is a version of the film nobody asked for fresh on the heels of a well received Swedish version?

For Non Bond movies Craig has proven he is a TV actor with delusions of grandeur. For Bond movies he is not all that spectacular either. Skyfall will probably have mediocre Box Office performance, not enough to justify bringing Craig back and hopefully not bad enough to kill the series (If it makes money or not can only be answered by the budget). Now if the Craig Curse hits Bond, it will shake things to the core over there, might kill the series unless there is a way to oust the current heads of state at EON.

Mission Impossible 4 is the way EON should be working, right now it looks like MI:4 should do as well as a modern Bond movie without the $400m cost.

Craig's contract gives MGM a way to boot him after Skyfall, if they are not happy then and only then we will hear small talk of Craig moving on, I doubt we will see a strait out fight between MGM and EON go public, if Babs would be crazy enough to potentially flush her father's franchise down the loo to keep this odd little man on as Bond.

[FormerBondFan]

Skyfall will probably have mediocre Box Office performance, not enough to justify bringing Craig back and hopefully not bad enough to kill the series (If it makes money or not can only be answered by the budget). Now if the Craig Curse hits Bond, it will shake things to the core over there, might kill the series unless there is a way to oust the current heads of state at EON.

Bond is already dead, and both MGM and Sony don't realize it.

[Alessandra]

It's not a war FBF. Ale has passion about proper casting. She even thinks my boy Jackman is at the tipping point of not being Bond material unless it's immediately done. I like watching the romantic comedy Serendipity. Kate Beckinsale is good in it and the background song is great. Pierce could have played John Cusack's father in a remake according to Ale's theory, and it would work. The girl who played Kate Beckinsale's sister?/friend? in that film, model Lucy Gordon, by the way seems to be a topic on the internet for she supposedly hanged herself in 2009 after being depressed over the death of her friend.

Thank you BJ, that is exactly how I feel. I hate to see people think comedies mean typecast, they don't. Or cliché, that's not true either. I've seen many action movies that were rubbish and cliché, and I've seen many comedies that were absolutely brilliant and enjoyable (including Laws of Attraction. THAT is the kind of role that's perfect for Pierce... not now though seen as at his age he can't be the leading man anymore, but you get my gist.) The villain à la Blofeld can be a one-off or maybe twice thing but not more than that. He is not a character actor and that type of role would only work as an exception. But, like I said, being instead cast in White Collar, or Suits or Mad Men as a guest star would be PERFECT for him. And these days it is FAR more prestigious to be on one of those shows than to be on a random movie.

[Alessandra]

"a killer marketing campaign from distributor Sony Pictures".................even with this Cr-egg's Tattoo faded away. WHEN will Pascal and Sony wake up and smell the coffee?

When the Curse of Craig hits the Bond franchise, and not before.

Yes and no, I doubt Craig will be seeing many more of these fat paydays. $6m each for his last few movies he brought nothing to the party. He is a PR nightmare, there is a recent interviewer who took time to say he nice Craig was this time and not like the other times were he was very standoffish. Danny boy must of been on his meds that day, more often than not he is horrible at selling himself or/and the movies he was paid to promote.

I read another interview yesterday where he was talking about politicians of all things. And slamming Tony Blair. And I mean badly. Who the heck is his agent not telling him to absolutely avoid making that type of remark publicly? It's not his place and it's just wrong regardless. I understand criticising the Kardashians since he is an actor and seeing those idiotic wannabes from reality TV make millions MUST infuriate anyone who tries to have artistic integrity and actually put SOMETHING in their entertainment jobs, but slamming a specific politician from his country like that, when he is not even in office anymore AND nobody asked him about elections or anything? Just no. If an actor is asked a specific question and it's election time, it's one thing. But when there's nothing going on and you're talking about someone who's gone, it's not just bad taste, it's also ignorant to do so. I think the guy is a loose cannon when it comes to interviews... and there's no controlling him. Either that, or his agents and managers are out of their freaking minds.

For all the talk of GWTDT what if Craig had not been cast or does not return for the sequels, would it matter? Mara is the star no question, would a better leading man have helped? Would it not have matter because this is a version of the film nobody asked for fresh on the heels of a well received Swedish version?

They should never have done it in the first place. I honestly don't think it's Craig's fault that this tanked. But it's just quite a coincidence that he is the kiss of death to so many movies (and I put Bond in the list too, since HE killed Bond with his portrayal).

For Non Bond movies Craig has proven he is a TV actor with delusions of grandeur. For Bond movies he is not all that spectacular either. Skyfall will probably have mediocre Box Office performance, not enough to justify bringing Craig back and hopefully not bad enough to kill the series (If it makes money or not can only be answered by the budget). Now if the Craig Curse hits Bond, it will shake things to the core over there, might kill the series unless there is a way to oust the current heads of state at EON.

I am deeply unsure how Skyfall will perform. On the one side, given what we've heard so far about the movie, I don't think it will do ANY good past the first two days, since word of mouth will be out and people won't go see it after they've heard how it is from others. Plus there's the fact it's not going to do ANY good after the first week anyway since the following weekend the last Twilight movie will be released, so bye-bye for everyone else, Bond included. On the other hand, I think there's always a big amount of curiosity for a Bond movie after such a long while without one, so enough people may go check it on the first couple of days for it to have a subpar but not so bad performance.(I'm absolutely certain there's no way it can have a GOOD performance, given how things are going.) Like you said, the movie making money or not depends entirely on the budget. So we shall see. That said if his kiss of death in terms of box office hits Bond as well, then things will take a very ugly turn and who knows what may happen (we know and it would be good, but no talking about this ).

In the current TV scenario, Craig wouldn't even be a TV actor. Not a lead anyway. He'd have a minor role or a co-starring role as a villain. I could see him on Boardwalk Empire for example... but other than that type of production (and like I said, not as a regular or as a lead) I really don't think he can keep up with the current TV scenario either. No way he could be on shows that have been nominated for awards so far this season. Maybe in some odd British TV production, but no more than that. He looks way older than his age and he's got no charm... that type of thing hurts an actor a LOT more on TV than it does in movies.

Mission Impossible 4 is the way EON should be working, right now it looks like MI:4 should do as well as a modern Bond movie without the $400m cost.

Craig's contract gives MGM a way to boot him after Skyfall, if they are not happy then and only then we will hear small talk of Craig moving on, I doubt we will see a strait out fight between MGM and EON go public, if Babs would be crazy enough to potentially flush her father's franchise down the loo to keep this odd little man on as Bond.

I am very impatient to see MI4, I shall try this weekend. I'm certain it's the way EON should be working, given the various comments about it that I gathered from friends and you guys here.

MGM has been on the warpath about him for a while, and this is one of the many reasons why EON and MGM even publicly made snide remarks at each other, but I agree the straight out fight will never be public, it will all be behind the scenes... we may hear something publicly only when all is said and done and Craig is booted No seriously... we have our ways of knowing, but I agree there's no way things will be made public. I think unless Skyfall has a sensational performance (NEVER gonna happen) that things aren't looking good at all for Craig in any case.

[bjmdds]

MI 4 is a well done film Ale and it reminded me of the PRE-Cr-egg Bond films. I enjoyed it. The director Bird nailed it. To go back to Cr-egg's 'license to kill the franchise being revoked', nothing will be changed until the Eon oinkster gets over her now UNHEALTHY obsession with the quilled, pitted prune-faced, loser. MGW will look like the biggest jackass if Sony fires DC after his self orgasmic comments that Eon wants 8 films with this badger as Bond. The question will then become, HOW does Sony fire DC, replace him with a then 30 year old Henry Cavill, and still make Eon look good? Maybe our Q has some thoughts on this scenario. Sky Is Full Of ---- will open with $55-60 million, then NOSE DIVE off the charts once Twilight and the Hobbit, and maybe even Star Trek, take over. People are tired of Cr-egg now. I don't see repeat admissions to Bond 23. It's a one and done for the public at what will be $13.50 USD per ticket next November.

[FormerBondFan]

On the one side, given what we've heard so far about the movie, I don't think it will do ANY good past the first two days, since word of mouth will be out and people won't go see it after they've heard how it is from others.

Skyf*ckers will release in the UK 2 weeks before the US release. How would this affect the first two days? I hope a lot.

[Alessandra]

I don't know how much UK attendance influences US attendance, usually it doesn't in the slightest. In fact, UK attendance is usually WAY better for Craig's movies than it ever is in the US. Word of mouth I am talking about and all the rest is solely US-based... what happens in the UK has little to no influence. Of course if the movie is catastrophically bad then it may, but I don't think it will be THAT bad. Not good, yes. Not a Bond movie, yes. But catastrophically bad, I don't think. I would think Craig DID learn something from QoS, even as arrogant as he is when it comes to his acting. So I don't think it will be WORSE. If it's as bad though, well all bets are off.

I think BJ is right, it'll probably do 55-60 mln first 2 days in the US. And then just go boom given the rest that will be released and word of mouth. Of course there's the 2% possibility that the movie is actually decent, which would change things in terms of attendance. Not for me of course, since I thought the highly praised Casino Royale wasn't good AT ALL, and I actually rank it the most boring (non) Bond movie EVER.

[bjmdds]

The bootleg dvds might be out on the streets of NYC before it opens here. In that case, people will save throwing out $13.50 USD and instead buy it for $5.00 on the street.

[FormerBondFan]

The bootleg dvds might be out on the streets of NYC before it opens here. In that case, people will save throwing out $13.50 USD and instead buy it for $5.00 on the street.

I hope the movie is bad enough. That way people would go for the bootleg.

[Kristatos]

Not for me of course, since I thought the highly praised Casino Royale wasn't good AT ALL, and I actually rank it the most boring (non) Bond movie EVER.

I thought the same when it first came out, though the awfulness of QOS has caused me to view it in a slightly more favourable light. I hope Spyfail doesn't have us all saying "you know, QOS doesn't seem that bad after all".

[Omega]

Not for me of course, since I thought the highly praised Casino Royale wasn't good AT ALL, and I actually rank it the most boring (non) Bond movie EVER.

I thought the same when it first came out, though the awfulness of QOS has caused me to view it in a slightly more favourable light. I hope Spyfail doesn't have us all saying "you know, QOS doesn't seem that bad after all".

Better than the worst movie in 50 years of movies is not a high compliment. CR dragged on after the first 14 minutes, the rifftrax version was fun but the movie itself is not one I want to watch again, and I can't believe this is the same guy I first saw in Living Daylight or Goldeneye.

Bootlegging is getting fast now, I doubt Spyfail will make it 2 weeks without a bootleg appearing online. QOS actually had a long run before the first bootleg appeared but then it was getting such a bad rep maybe they figured why bother.

[bjmdds]

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... oto-01.jpg http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... oto-02.jpg Real suave. DC looks like he has a hangover.

[bjmdds]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 2103_n.jpg I just don't see this Spiderman reboot a major player compared to Tobey's. Having the Flying Nun with Charie Sheen's moronic father playing his parents won't cut it . The Dark Knight Rises should absolutely bury this underwhelming excuse of a superhero film....... http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 1406_n.jpg No chemistry here......................http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 9607_n.jpg Ridiculous.

[bjmdds]

As compared to a real superhero film, right FBF? http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... ew-gun.jpg

[FormerBondFan]

This Spidey reboot is such a waste and so is the Bond reboot.

[FormerBondFan]

As compared to a real superhero film, right FBF? http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... ew-gun.jpg

Correct.

TDKR will not only be a real superhero film but also a real Bond flick.

[bjmdds]

Garfield is hideous in the role FBF The film is LUCKY to do 50% of Tobey's.

[FormerBondFan]

Garfield is hideous in the role FBF

Or better him as Bond than Spidey.