The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[English Agent]

Agree EA. You know your Phelps onions. VERY poor storyline with Phelps being the bad guy. He killed his wife but let Ethan live at end? Phelps is a good guy. Major mistake and it cost them, just like Cr-egg being Bond again.

Cost them how? The film made over $800 million worldwide (inflation adjusted) and spawned three sequels.

Cost them respect wise i suppose, and obviously not now able ever to use the Phelps character.

Its like making Sherlock Holmes the bad guy or even Bond.......basically it was the wrong thing to of done.

[bjmdds]

Agree EA. You know your Phelps onions. VERY poor storyline with Phelps being the bad guy. He killed his wife but let Ethan live at end? Phelps is a good guy. Major mistake and it cost them, just like Cr-egg being Bond again.

Cost them how? The film made over $800 million worldwide (inflation adjusted) and spawned three sequels.

The first one could have made a LOT more. Many were turned off by the Phelps storyline and he should have continued on to the next two films as well.

[FormerBondFan]

I saw Sherlock 2 today, and as with the first one, Guy Ritchie has given us a real Bond movie. Plus, it felt a little more Bondian than the first one.

[Alessandra]

Sorry BJ it's a busy time as usual here.. UGH. Anyway Re: Golden Globes. I think they had to put her in now because they won't be able to next year, seen as the movie has been released THIS year. And obviously they've seen the movie already so they can judge. I do not think the movie will fail BUT the point about it, IMO is that just like Tin Tin wasn't a Craig movie at all, this isn't a Craig movie at all either. SHE is the protagonist. SHE is the one being praised everywhere for the portrayal. And while I'm not into that genre at all, I don't have a problem with it of course, if she's good then she deserves the praise, whether Craig is in the movie or not. He isn't the protagonist regardless, so this changes absolutely nothing for him. IF the movie does well it will be on the girl, and if it does badly it will be on her, not on Craig. That's how I see it.

She's NEVER going to win anyway... the people from The Help are going to rake in awards. That movie is by far the best movie I saw this year (I'm not talking action movies). It truly is a great movie, and they managed to put together a far from obvious cast that did an incredible job. Both the two black actresses AND Emma Stone deserve nods. Basically anyone who could get a nom in that movie did so far. And it better win Academy Awards as well.

In other news, I am MAJORLY thrilled to announce that the two shows I keep bugging you guys with BOTH got major award nods. SUITS (where they very often make Bond references, and this dude had a "Sean Connery swag" line even!) had one of its two leading men, Patrick J Adams, nominated at the SAG awards for Best Leading Actor in a TV Series, and Necessary Roughness (definitely my favorite show last summer, on USA Network) had its protagonist Callie Thorne get a Golden Globe nomination as best actress (lead) in a series. I am MAJORLY proud because THESE are the products that should be rewarded.. USA Network produces BY FAR the best TV shows there are out there (minus obviously the big JJ Abrams productions, including Person of Interest). What's best about them is that they're NEVER gratuitous in either vulgarity or violence, but they DO have an edge and they handle sexy the way it should be handled, without making it vulgar. Also, they have terrific writers and they ALWAYS pick the best cast. Both Suits and Necessary Roughness are majorly good shows, with fabulous writers/producers and a terrific cast. Very entertaining to watch and always interesting. So I am REALLY proud of both these nods. Some idiotic TV bloggers were all "oh unreal that Patrick J Adams got a nom". Well, they can just go keep company to the Craigster as far as I'm concerned He and Gabriel Macht both do a fantastic job on Suits, and this was definitely a well-deserved and FINALLY majorly unexpected nom.

In other news, Person of Interest last night had record ratings again. Ah, it feels so good when quality stuff I like gets recognition and does well! The episode (mid-season finale) was AWESOME, this show gets better each passing week. You should all watch it, you'll like it!

[bjmdds]

The Gringots Goblin is rarely mentioned in ANY of the reviews of the Tattooed Girl. His role is similar it seems to that in Lara Croft. He is basically a filler, not a major attraction to the film. "Ed Gonzalez at Slant magazine. He wrote, "The difference between Niels Arden Oplev's adaptation of Stieg Larsson's 'The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo' and David Fincher's own is not, as some might have hoped, the difference between night and day, but between curdled milk and a warmed-over holiday second."

[bjmdds]

"Richard Aude:Detroit
Why on earth would you make another "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" movie? It's already been done, with a Swedish movie in 2009, with the same title. And it is an outstanding movie. Is this an attempt to make the "American version" for our more plebeian tastes? You needn't have made the effort. Spare us!"

[bjmdds]

"Mara is fearless in the lead role and Craig generously allows her to take centre stage, but as a result his Blomkvist lacks the grizzled gumption that made Michael Nyqvist’s performance in Oplev’s version so compelling. Perhaps unavoidably, it’s the source material itself that trips the film up. The notorious scenes of graphic sexual abuse prove to be a major stumbling block: they’re lurid and sweaty in a way that’s tonally dischordant with the rest of the story, and the ‘surprise villain’ is no more surprising here than in the Oplev film: the role’s so unsubtle that the actor or actress might as well be wearing a pair of hen party devil horns and carrying a plastic pitchfork.
The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo is a success on its own terms, but every aspect of it is overshadowed by another of Fincher’s films: its doomy soundtrack, by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross, is a lesser retread of their work on The Social Network, and its knotty plotting is comprehensively out-red-herringed by the masterful Zodiac. As such it’s easy to see why the director wanted to make it, but hard to shake the feeling that perhaps he shouldn’t have bothered." Robbie Collin:
In UK cinemas 26 December 2011

[bjmdds]

Perhaps the green vegetable's sweet tooth for Danielle will have decayed after this new debacle next week. $165 million projected by boxofficemojo? Really? How does UNDER $100 million sound?

[katied]

I'll se the English language GWTDT but the original Swedish film is pretty much perfect, IMO.

[Dr. No]

The last ad I saw hardly had Craig's face in it I think they are setting it up as more her movie.

[Dr. No]

Agree EA. You know your Phelps onions. VERY poor storyline with Phelps being the bad guy. He killed his wife but let Ethan live at end? Phelps is a good guy. Major mistake and it cost them, just like Cr-egg being Bond again.

Cost them how? The film made over $800 million worldwide (inflation adjusted) and spawned three sequels.

Cost them respect wise i suppose, and obviously not now able ever to use the Phelps character.

Its like making Sherlock Holmes the bad guy or even Bond.......basically it was the wrong thing to of done.

I hated they did that in the first movie.

[Dr. No]

I saw Sherlock 2 today, and as with the first one, Guy Ritchie has given us a real Bond movie. Plus, it felt a little more Bondian than the first one.

What is the world coming to?

[FormerBondFan]

I saw Sherlock 2 today, and as with the first one, Guy Ritchie has given us a real Bond movie. Plus, it felt a little more Bondian than the first one.

What is the world coming to?

What are you talking about? It's all about other franchises now, and there's nothing special about Bond anymore. The Bond movies we have now are MI, Sherlock, and the Bat.

[Omega]

What is happening the movies are not making the money they are supposed to? Could this be the beginning of a movie rescission?
http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3326&p=.htm

[bjmdds]

At $13.00 a ticket in NYC at night, the cost is getting too high. When the Gringots goblin's Bond 23 comes out, it will be $13.50 per ticket. Inflation is so low worldwide yet prices keep going way up. There has to be a backlash and Hollywood is seeing it.

[FormerBondFan]

At $13.00 a ticket in NYC at night, the cost is getting too high. When the Gringots goblin's Bond 23 comes out, it will be $13.50 per ticket. Inflation is so low worldwide yet prices keep going way up. There has to be a backlash and Hollywood is seeing it.

I hope Bond 23 grosses much lower than QOS, even in unadjusted.

[Mazer Rackham]

At $13.00 a ticket in NYC at night, the cost is getting too high. When the Gringots goblin's Bond 23 comes out, it will be $13.50 per ticket. Inflation is so low worldwide yet prices keep going way up. There has to be a backlash and Hollywood is seeing it.

Skyfall will likely do modestly well, inflation will determine how it sounds -QOS / CR set "records" in the USA even though both sold significantly fewer tickets than DAD (or TND). I doubt we will see a Golden Gun/ License To Kill scenario at the Box Office however behind the scenes at the home office I do expect a meltdown of some sort.

Like him or hate him there is no way one actor should have as much sway as he does with an established franchise. The next actor will expect / Demand the same consideration.

[FormerBondFan]

Skyfall will likely do modestly well, inflation will determine how it sounds -QOS / CR set "records" in the USA even though both sold significantly fewer tickets than DAD (or TND). I doubt we will see a Golden Gun/ License To Kill scenario at the Box Office however behind the scenes at the home office I do expect a meltdown of some sort.

If that's the case even here in the US, then send in Carrot Top as Bond. Skyf*ckers has to do worse than QOS' unadjusted number. If it surpasses even CR's unadjusted numbers, we're in serious trouble.

[Kristatos]

Skyfall will likely do modestly well, inflation will determine how it sounds -QOS / CR set "records" in the USA even though both sold significantly fewer tickets than DAD (or TND).

Though worldwide, I believe QOS made slightly less money than CR, despite ticket price inflation.

[Blowfeld]

We are not in trouble of any sort. If I didn't know better I'd think you are having a laugh. Our position is clear, Daniel Craig the man maybe be a fine fellow to have dinner with. As James Bond 007 he is not an acceptable alternative. Whatever is the finished project it is our main position we need to be concerned with since the odds of this changing are nil, our foundation is sound. It is about Ian, it is about Cubby, it is about the collaboration that made James Bond great. Barbara has launched her 'Bond' 2.0 and used her father legacy and Ian's name to fund it. For it to be acceptable the place you begin from has to be one of considering 007 the books and movies as mostly rubbish, wish Daniel and his lovies seem to agree on this. I do not, there was a standard to be met and legacy to be added to that is until 2004. Coincidently it all changed with the death of Dana. What Bond has become under Barbara is something he was never intended to be. More twisted than the federation in a Star Trek Dark Mirror universe.