The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Mulli]

Ughhhh what can I say. I've avoided Bond sites for a while now, because let's face it little has been happening. But now Bond 23 has gone into production (How?) with EON (lol) still at the helm. To make matters worse than Craig (how?) being Bond (lol) still, they've completely s**t on Fleming, by giving him a beard. WTF?
Vegetable women is off her meds. Surely.
Michael Wilson either needs to step in and save the franchise, or disappear into the shadows. Judging from his comments at the press conference of Sinfall...sorry Skyfail...sorry Skyfall, he said little other than what we already know. Vegilady is still swooning over Craig.
Really sad to see Bond becoming such a different character to the one WE ALL loved.

[shaken not stirred]

FBF, let's call the franchise history now. What say yee?

It's been history since October 14, 2005. I stopped caring about the franchise's well-being since then. It's now nothing but this:



This is why Bond 23 must CRASH and BURN (especially during the opening weekend here in the US) just like Raccoon City must be destroyed because of the T-virus.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twdM1fTY ... re=related[/video]

And shaken not stirred.....you know what I'm talking, right?

Yeah a nuke to wipe this joke of a reboot out would do just the trick, instead of raccoon city it will be brocolli city, hell drop the nemesis on them and get him to hunt down cregg or baabs.

[Alessandra]

Old Bruce does have a Blofeld look about him in that poster and even in a t-shirt our Henry looks more Bondian than OLD Dan did in the last two films.

HA! I hadn't thought about Blofeld but hey, true! Look put it this way: I will go watch Henry and pretend it's Bond. Easiest way out and much more enjoyable. Sure as hell I'm never gonna give EON a penny as long as the Craigster is Bond.

Sweeney, I expected all of what came and wasn't surprised at all, they did and said exactly what I expected. I would definitely be excited if they were making a Bond movie, except they aren't! No James Bond for starters, a director who knows nothing about action movies, and a CLEAR emo direction in the script that's been confirmed by Bardem himself in TV interview.

The mentions of CR, I'm afraid, mean precious nothing. They had their mouths FULL of CR (which by the way I did not think was a good Bond movie, and the way it was written and handled was insulting to the Fleming novel) even when they released QoS, and kept saying the same EXACT things that they are saying now. So I'm sorry but that means absolutely nothing. And as far as the Craigster, that was a press conference, so of COURSE they'd all be "oh he's great" Seriously? who would go "oh you know this is his last movie" at a press conference where they're supposed to create excitement! . So nothing new there, and why would I be surprised that stupid Babs is drooling over him (how she does that is beyond me, but that's another matter). That's the only reason why he is Bond, so I expect that to happen all the time, not just at a press conference.

That said, no way he keeps on going as Bond. He's WAY too old already (his fault, he looks 10 years older than his actual age thanks to not taking care of himself at all), not to mention Sony and MGM will have none of that, and the battle in that sense has already begun, and it's been going on for many months now. MGM needing to put this out and not being in the position of doing anything regarding Bond 23 is one thing, what happens with Bond 24 and after is an entirely different matter. So that isn't even a concern for me. After this movie he's done. The concern is who they'll replace him with. In short, the press conference changed absolutely nothing for me, except making my expectations for the film even worse since they did nothing but repeat the same exact crap they had said before QoS which isn't encouraging at all, given what QoS was. BTW Craig's horrid beard is most likely in the film as well, because they started filming right away, and I highly doubt he looked like that without a filming reason for it. Which just And the French girl looks WIDELY inappropriate by his side. She is extremely young and I find it quite disturbing that a girl in her early 20s would be put next to a man Craig's age. SO much for their clearly all just advertising-bound "empower women" claims.

[Alessandra]

I don't understand either those who think there was good news in the press conference or those who think now things have changed and we have to give up.

The only thing I can think of as good news is Mendes's denial of the "character-based performance piece" rumour. If he'd confirmed it, there would have been a nerdgasm on MI6 and a collective from the average moviegoer.

True. You're right about that, that is good news.

What Mikey said was
"It’s in the same range as the last film, and we really haven’t had to change anything in the script to get what we want, in fact we keep on adding. But no, we’re not feeling that we’ve had to sacrifice anything."

Everything he said right there indicates there is some kind of cut, he is obfuscating it by converting from the question asked
"Will there be any budget cuts for this one?"
To
"Are you making changes to the script to compensate for the lower budget?"

In the same range can mean anything. However if they do spend $400m to make another Bond movie it will ruin MGM and Sony. $240 to $260 total for everything including P&A they will make money. They also have to consider the Box Office window for Bond 23 is very small.

Same range means it's more or less the same amount. Certainly not $100 mln less. In fact, news articles have said production cost is $230 mln (that is excluding advertising obviously). That is why I said they'd be nuts saying the budget hasn't de creased. If it had, he would clearly have said so because that makes for a MUCH easier box office success. I highly doubt he'd say "it's in the same range" which means more or less the same amount if it was reduced by $100 mln. He'd say that right away if that was the case, to justify beforehand any possible failure. He may be stupid, but not THAT stupid?!

Meantime, we FINALLY have a detailed synopsis AND a new AWESOME poster for Henry Cavill's new movie The Cold Light of Day which will be released in April next year.

Now please look at this and tell me that he, IN A T-SHIRT and with a gun, doesn't look a LOT more like James Bond than that horrid dude in a suit with both the wrong tie and the wrong shirt and with a partially white beard at the Bond press conference. Replace the t-shirt with a shirt (even without tie) and that's James Bond.



http://superlaneandkentnews.blogspot.co ... x0.twitter

Additionally, the title for THIS movie actually sounds like a good title for a Bond movie, surely way better than "Skyfall"

Ale, given what you have shown, given what we know, given the BOAR-bara rants at the press conference, how dejected will you be when she announces DC is HER guy for 3 additional films? Mazer's avatar picture defines my Bond mood right now.

BJ there's no way the Craigster does another 3 movies. If he does (he won't, but let's pretend) then the solution is extremely simple for me: I have one Cavill movie next week (Immortals) one in April where he by all means will be playing the action hero and I sure won't have any problem seeing him as Bond, given even in a T-shirt in that poster he's got the Bondian factor, and then I have Superman the following summer. And I'm quite sure he will go on making MANY more of these... so, I'm all set. I will go watch Henry and pretend he's Bond. Since there's more Bond attitude, charm, style and "badassness" in his pinky than there ever has been or will ever be in the entire Craigster persona. And, unlike Bond movies that aren't Bond movies anymore, I'm quite sure that because of Henry, his movies will have that Bond flare that I look for in my favorite action films. In short.. I'll finally have a deserving James Bond whether the monkeys at EON produce it for real or not.

Also way better title than Awful, sorry Skyfall.

Hell yeah. A third grader could come up with a better title than Skyfall, but this is the wonder twins we're talking about, no level of lame is unreachable

You are right that is what it should mean, but these people have lied before about the production cost before. CR was a 70m film before someone let the cat out of the bag revealing the £ $ switch.

I can't believe he is being completely accurate given what happened with QOS. Maybe he is doing a scale down math Sony tried to sell when they were trying to flog QOS as a under $200m film, later they settled and said it cost $230. If they are getting $230m + P&A, then f**k it. No way in hell do they get it back at the BO. The only way I can see them getting a budget that big is if the P&A is exactly what the product placement brings in, which is also insane. LTK anybody?

You're absolutely right that they constantly lie, and I'm aware of it, but this is the money we're talking about... there's no hiding behind that, it's a number that will ANYWAY be found out very soon and if he blatantly lied he will be ridiculed by everyone, which I don't think is something even HE is bound to let happen. Which is why I say I really do think he said that because that's close to what it is... I don't think it's 230 but in the same range means it could be within $180 and $200 mln. Certainly not $130 mln which is $100 mln less. My point is the budget figure is - per Wilson's own words - WAY higher than what's been reported, which means like you said, there is NO way in hell that they get it back at the BO. LOL I'm afraid what you're saying about the P&A being exactly what the product placement brings in may be what's going on. Definitely insane. After all this could be his LTK, after QoS. Except I really enjoyed LTK despite the unnecessary gory violence in some parts of the movie. That one had an actual James Bond in it. And actual, GREAT Bond girls. Including myself This one will have one out of two Bond girls (sorry but the witch from the Pirates movies REALLY isn't Bond girl material), no James Bond, no Moneypenny, no Q... the list goes on. What's left? Oh, nothing, that's right

Cold Light of Day is a good title. It is not hard unless the wonder twins think about it too hard. When they over think simple problem you'll notice the buring toast smell.

I know it's nothing to laugh about but this made me

[Alessandra]

Oh, by the way. New photo of Mr Cavill from the Men's Health photoshoot that wasn't in the magazine. (he is on Men's Health cover this month).



Hello, James Bond. You're finally back.

[Omega]

Ok, reading some of the expected negative comments on here, here's my take on the press conference -

1) The usual nervousness from all on display at the table - particularly Craig, who just looked uncomfortable (and needed a shave)!
2) Nothing we really learned from it, other than there is no references to Fleming and the story doesn't continue from the last one (which is a good thing).
3) some of the questions thrown at them from the audince was the usual pointless crap.

Overall I am excited that a new Bond film is being made, and I live in hope it won't be like the last one. The message came through loud and clear too from this - they think QoS was a mistake and CR was a success, so we need to have more of CR. This was the underlying message - even Mendes referred to CR but not QoS.

So maybe, just maybe the creative team are trying to put it in a different direction, and not continue down the path of the last film - which again is a good thing in my book.
I can understand the doom and gloom here, becuase finally its officially announced a new Bond is being made with Craig at the helm, and with Babs usual swooning over him, she'll want him to play Bond until he's 60.

But I really think its too early to make judgements on this film from a press conference. I would wait until shooting has been under way and we are a few months down the line before predicting what the film will be like.

And at least we all have something to talk about again - good or bad!

I don't know why some are depressed about Skyfall, everyone here understood it was going to be made no matter what, I guess it is because when a Bond movie is being made the actor playing Bond is Bond, nobody talks about a replacement. I bet people thought Connery would be Bond for as long as there were Bond movies and never imagined 50 years and 6 different actor.

I watched the press conference again and this time paying attention people no the words, the director and I think Bond girls looks the most like they wanted to be there. Dench looked lime my grandma too tired to out there but waiting for everyone one to leave to go back to bed.
For the most part watching the people and not the words it was like one of my early morning classes where everyone is hung over.

[Omega]

Oh, by the way. New photo of Mr Cavill from the Men's Health photoshoot that wasn't in the magazine. (he is on Men's Health cover this month).



Hello, James Bond. You're finally back.

You do know he gets his power from a yellow sun?

It does look like a Lazenby shoot all it needs is London bridge and bigben.

[bjmdds]

You don't allow 4 years to pass between Bond films and keep the SAME actor, which is a first for EON, eclipsing Moore's 3 year hiatus from 1974-1977, (and Eon kept Roger on for 8 more years after that), unless the loined green vegetable plans to defy logic and ruin her daddy's dream, and keep him. It makes NO sense to keep DC now and then drop him like a bat out of hell, given BOAR-bara's lust for his private parts. I am telling you she will NEVER fire him.......SHE has to be fired

[FormerBondFan]

FBF, let's call the franchise history now. What say yee?

It's been history since October 14, 2005. I stopped caring about the franchise's well-being since then. It's now nothing but this:



This is why Bond 23 must CRASH and BURN (especially during the opening weekend here in the US) just like Raccoon City must be destroyed because of the T-virus.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twdM1fTY ... re=related[/video]

And shaken not stirred.....you know what I'm talking, right?

Yeah a nuke to wipe this joke of a reboot out would do just the trick, instead of raccoon city it will be brocolli city, hell drop the nemesis on them and get him to hunt down cregg or baabs.

The World of Bond represents Raccoon City, and Nemesis represents one of the Pro-Craig minions. Like you said, it only hunts down S.T.A.R.S., which represents the part of the Rebellion (us).

[Omega]

Why is everyone so down on LTK it take it any day over CR QoS, DAD, even though Pierce was very good in it. Pierce with the LTK script = magic.
I will admit TLD is better polished than LTK. Dalton and Brosnan Bond complement each other, they never went back and said what Dalton made was crap, I hate that is what was done to Pierce. Craig just does not complement the previous Bonds, Dalton and Borsnan worked so well together, we need that again.

About the money is there any chance the 300 million (pounds?) figure to break even was correct? If it is then we can work out what the total budget is, even if they are getting bigger production budget. It would just mean the advertisings budget will be smaller. The danger in another big budget is it will kill the franchise if it fails, MGM should be placed on suicide watch.

[FormerBondFan]

I am telling you she will NEVER fire him.......SHE has to be fired

This is why Skyfall 23 has to fail, especially during the opening weekend here in the US. Yes, there will be people watching Skyfall because it's James Bond, but Skyfall is no James Bond at all......nothing more than EON's EVIL propaganda virus to cause this:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLqNaE36cGs[/video]

DC's Bonds are the T-virus of the world of entertainment.

[Kristatos]

This is why Skyfall 23 has to fail, especially during the opening weekend here in the US.

It's going to be the #1 movie in its opening weekend, that's all but inevitable. Now that Ouija has been deep sixed, there is nothing opening against it, and if you're pinning your hopes on Wreck-It Ralph holdovers, you're going to be disappointed. But if it makes a loss again like QOS, the investors are going to notice, have no fear.

[FormerBondFan]

Now that Ouija has been deep sixed, there is nothing opening against it, and if you're pinning your hopes on Wreck-It Ralph holdovers, you're going to be disappointed.

McG's films really sucked these days, and I wouldn't bet on Ouija on being #1 if released on the same day as Bond 23. Only animated films like Happy Feet could stand a chance. If Bond 23 does hit the top spot, I hope it's less than QOS' numbers. Yes, people will see Bond 23 because it's a Bond movie, but again, Bond 23 is no Bond movie at all.

But if it makes a loss again like QOS, the investors are going to notice, have no fear.

Let's hope this really does happen.

[FormerBondFan]

Anyway, has anyone read this?

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00045026.html

Benicio Del Toro May Tackle Villain Role in 'Star Trek' Sequel
November 05, 2011 01:43:48 GMT

The 'Traffic' actor has reportedly met director J.J. Abrams to discuss the role, which details are still kept under tight wraps.


"Star Trek 2" may have found a suitable actor to tackle the villain role. Variety reported that Benicio Del Toro has been eyed by J.J. Abrams to take the part and the director will make a formal offer to the "21 Grams" actor "before the weekend is out."

Del Toro, who won an Oscar for playing Javier Rodriguezs in 2000's "Traffic", has met Abrams to discuss the role. However, the actor, who will soon be seen in Oliver Stone's "Savages", reportedly still doesn't know what exactly the role is. That was said to be an effort to keep the role a secret.

The untitled Star Trek sequel is expected to kick off the production in early 2012, but no new release date has been set. It was previously scheduled for a June 29, 2012 release in U.S. theaters, but Paramount Pictures has decided to push back the release date in order to give the writers, Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof, enough time to polish the script.

Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto and Zoe Saldana are all set to reprise their roles as James T. Kirk, Spcok and Nyota Uhura respectively. They are joined by Simon Pegg as Scotty, Anton Yelchin as Pavel Chekov, Karl Urban as Bones, and John Cho as Hikaru Sulu.

[FormerBondFan]

The danger in another big budget is it will kill the franchise if it fails, MGM should be placed on suicide watch.

But what about The Hobbit? MGM could always count on that if Bond 23: Nothing Special crashes.

[Kristatos]

McG's films really sucked these days, and I wouldn't bet on Ouija on being #1 if released on the same day as Bond 23.

A PG-13 adventure movie would certainly eat into Spyfail's audience, and even if Spyfail was still #1, it would be with a reduced opening weekend gross.

[FormerBondFan]

What if Jerry Sadowitz stars as James Bond in Spyfall? Would the movie still be #1 at the US box office? I wouldn't be surprised.

[FormerBondFan]

McG's films really sucked these days, and I wouldn't bet on Ouija on being #1 if released on the same day as Bond 23.

A PG-13 adventure movie would certainly eat into Spyfail's audience, and even if Spyfail was still #1, it would be with a reduced opening weekend gross.

If it grosses lower than QOS' US opening, I'm good, but with next year being an anniversary, this I have a VERY bad feeling about.

[Kristatos]

If it grosses lower than QOS' US opening, I'm good, but with next year being an anniversary, this I have a VERY bad feeling about.

I seriously can't imagine many people thinking "Well, I wasn't going to see the new Bond movie, but this is the 50th anniversary of Dr No. That changes everything".

[FormerBondFan]

If it grosses lower than QOS' US opening, I'm good, but with next year being an anniversary, this I have a VERY bad feeling about.

I seriously can't imagine many people thinking "Well, I wasn't going to see the new Bond movie, but this is the 50th anniversary of Dr No. That changes everything".

Godzilla: Final Wars released in 2004, marking the 50th anniversary of the first Godzilla. It ended up as being one of the least attended of the series.