The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Kristatos]

very soon people are going to be asking themselves why should they bother with a overrated prima donna, worse yet a prima donna who has no draw.

I think that if Bond 23 is a success, though, he can still come back with the argument that he can draw audiences as Bond. That's why I hope that the film is a flop. Not a big enough flop to kill off the franchise entirely, but enough to reinforce Craig's status as box-office poison. But then, I said that about QOS.

[bjmdds]

It will flop after the first opening weekend which will do LESS than The Bourne Mimicry(QOS) did, and once Twilight takes over, Cr-egg's Bond egg will be a sinking ship.

[FormerBondFan]

It will flop after the first opening weekend which will do LESS than The Bourne Mimicry(QOS) did, and once Twilight takes over, Cr-egg's Bond egg will be a sinking ship.

Let's hope that it doesn't even become #1 at the US box office on opening weekend, and let's also hope Star Trek 2 (not II as in TWOK) makes it in time for next November before the vampire horde comes for dinner.

[Kristatos]

It will flop after the first opening weekend which will do LESS than The Bourne Mimicry(QOS) did, and once Twilight takes over, Cr-egg's Bond egg will be a sinking ship.

Let's hope that it doesn't even become #1 at the US box office on opening weekend, and let's also hope Star Trek 2 (not II as in TWOK) makes it in time for next November before the vampire horde comes for dinner.

It doesn't have any real competition, though, now that Universal has pulled the plug on Ouija. This means that it probably will be #1, allowing it to create the illusion of success the way QOS did.

[FormerBondFan]

It will flop after the first opening weekend which will do LESS than The Bourne Mimicry(QOS) did, and once Twilight takes over, Cr-egg's Bond egg will be a sinking ship.

Let's hope that it doesn't even become #1 at the US box office on opening weekend, and let's also hope Star Trek 2 (not II as in TWOK) makes it in time for next November before the vampire horde comes for dinner.

It doesn't have any real competition, though, now that Universal has pulled the plug on Ouija. This means that it probably will be #1, allowing it to create the illusion of success the way QOS did.

Denzel Washington's Unstoppable released last year. I thought for sure it's was going to be #1, but surprisingly Megamind dominated the US box office for the 2nd time. As for Bond 23, it will release the week after Disney's Wreck-It Ralph, and whether this Disney movie will dominate the US box office the 2nd week, we will see. It will be a lot more helpful if the Trek sequel arrives in time for Spock puts this Uroboros Bond to sleep.

[bjmdds]

Reel Steel has topped $115 million............Dream House is at $23 million worldwide........do the math.......Cr-egg's films are D.O.A. at the box office.

[English Agent]

'Real Stea'l was a good fun film!

Ive noticed that 'C&A's' has just past $100 mil Stateside, but its miserable International total of some $60 mil+ is really awful, hence yep. its a big loss for the studio.

Going to see 'Contagion' tonight, hope its a good film!

Incidently its only 2 weeks away till the Bond 23 press conference!

[Omega]

It will flop after the first opening weekend which will do LESS than The Bourne Mimicry(QOS) did, and once Twilight takes over, Cr-egg's Bond egg will be a sinking ship.

Let's hope that it doesn't even become #1 at the US box office on opening weekend, and let's also hope Star Trek 2 (not II as in TWOK) makes it in time for next November before the vampire horde comes for dinner.

It doesn't have any real competition, though, now that Universal has pulled the plug on Ouija. This means that it probably will be #1, allowing it to create the illusion of success the way QOS did.

The Canadian release I think will hurt them this time around, as I understand it the US weekend BO counts Canada this time Canada is getting Bond 23 the same time as the UK so the the use release it will not be adding much to the US total. And it will be on the web before the 2nd weekend and the weekend after Bond 23 is out Twilight will finish burring him. Ale, Mazer correct me if I am wrong but Canada normal adds $5 to $10 million dollars to the weekend take right? So the US opening will be lower by at least $5 million and it any hold over do well it might be another story about the number 1 slot.

I think it will be number 1 like Kirs said but there are so many big movies November December I think Bond will find it hard beat CR & QOS

[FormerBondFan]

Besides vampires and Middle Earth creatures, there's Les Miserables and World War Z.

[Alessandra]

It will flop after the first opening weekend which will do LESS than The Bourne Mimicry(QOS) did, and once Twilight takes over, Cr-egg's Bond egg will be a sinking ship.

Let's hope that it doesn't even become #1 at the US box office on opening weekend, and let's also hope Star Trek 2 (not II as in TWOK) makes it in time for next November before the vampire horde comes for dinner.

It doesn't have any real competition, though, now that Universal has pulled the plug on Ouija. This means that it probably will be #1, allowing it to create the illusion of success the way QOS did.

The Canadian release I think will hurt them this time around, as I understand it the US weekend BO counts Canada this time Canada is getting Bond 23 the same time as the UK so the the use release it will not be adding much to the US total. And it will be on the web before the 2nd weekend and the weekend after Bond 23 is out Twilight will finish burring him. Ale, Mazer correct me if I am wrong but Canada normal adds $5 to $10 million dollars to the weekend take right? So the US opening will be lower by at least $5 million and it any hold over do well it might be another story about the number 1 slot.

I think it will be number 1 like Kirs said but there are so many big movies November December I think Bond will find it hard beat CR & QOS

That is correct Omega. Canada usually adds $5 to $10 mln to the weekend take. And in any case it's got MASSIVE competition the second week. It's only got ONE weekend to stand alone as the big release and that's not even nearly enough. They're going to be slaughtered by the last Twilight film the second weekend. And I mean slaughtered. (nobody stands a chance against the last Twilight movie anyway). And like you said, a couple of days after release it will be on the internet for download. So in terms of competition, they're basically toast.

They're lucky if they manage to be no.1 at opening weekend. And that remains to be seen anyway, given how Craig has fared lately (disastrously). Supposing it does well the first weekend anyway, it will be the ULTIMATE proof that people DO NOT go to see Bond for Daniel Craig. IF that was the case, they would go see his other movies, too. And they clearly don't. It's proof that people go see Bond because it's BOND. So first weekend everyone goes because it's the NEW BOND. Then when it sinks in (like QoS) people don't go.

And let me say I do not think this will do nearly as well as QoS did on the first weekend. A lot of people liked CR, so they went to see QoS on the wings of THAT success. A lot of people instead utterly disliked QoS so the new one has THAT as presentation, especially for 2nd week. Those who may still be willing to give it a chance on opening weekend will soon spread word if it's bad (which given what we've heard so far I sadly think it will be, exactly like QoS), and numbers will plummet on week 2. That is IF the movie is bad like I said. There's still a 1% chance that it isn't. (yes I don't give it more than 1 percent because every single piece of information about the movie so far points in a dreadful direction. Possibly even worse than QoS in terms of approach).

[FormerBondFan]

Bond 23 is not Bond but rather EVIL viral disease designed to corrupt the youth. That's why it needs to CRASH, particularly in its opening.

[English Agent]

True, even if Bond 23 receives positive reviews, it still has to follow from the stinker QOS, which will not prevent Bond fans seeing it, but the rest of the movie going public may wait to hear from word of mouth before seeing the film.
It makes you wonder, that if QOS had been Craigs first Bond film, how bad the BO would of been, and if Craig would of stayed on as Bond. The DCINB crowd (whoever they are would of demanded the heads of EON.

Anyway, as has been reported today in a British newspaper, the budget for Bond 23 is going to be some $100 mil less than QOS, so i wonder where the savings will be made????.
Obviously after the excesses of QOS, the studio have said no to a ridiculous budget this time around..................and obviously it will help the film recoup its budget easier, as in theory Bond 23 could make less money than QOS but still be more profitable (hopefully).

EA

[Mazer Rackham]

True, even if Bond 23 receives positive reviews, it still has to follow from the stinker QOS, which will not prevent Bond fans seeing it, but the rest of the movie going public may wait to hear from word of mouth before seeing the film.
It makes you wonder, that if QOS had been Craigs first Bond film, how bad the BO would of been, and if Craig would of stayed on as Bond. The DCINB crowd (whoever they are would of demanded the heads of EON.

Anyway, as has been reported today in a British newspaper, the budget for Bond 23 is going to be some $100 mil less than QOS, so i wonder where the savings will be made????.
Obviously after the excesses of QOS, the studio have said no to a ridiculous budget this time around..................and obviously it will help the film recoup its budget easier, as in theory Bond 23 could make less money than QOS but still be more profitable (hopefully).

EA

Now it comes down to who you believe. If you believe the bulls**t 200m figure Bond 23 is in real trouble.
If you believe the real QUARK/QOS cost was between 230m to 280m then Bond 23 has a reasonable enough budget, however nearly 50m goes out the window day one paying the Broccoli graft (30m+) and Craig's scowling fee ($16m).

Obviously after the excesses of QOS, the studio have said no to a ridiculous budget this time around..................and obviously it will help the film recoup its budget easier, as in theory Bond 23 could make less money than QOS but still be more profitable (hopefully).

It is the only play that makes sense. The studio lost money with Quark, they admit to paying $400m with P&A figured in, for Bond 23 to be successful it has to be cheaper on the uptake, with the hope of a successful outing, meaning one that holds still with the last 3 outings. At this point they (the studio) couldn't care lees bout ticket sales if the dollar amounts stay steady. They might care when it comes to market share after the theatrical run but Craig has not been as strong a player here.

DAD technically left the theaters in the red, meaning MGM didn't make a dime on the theatrical run, but on the rebound it was the most successful collaboration MGM had with EON. The first three Brosnan Bonds MGM make around $300m each after all was said and done. All they have is the Bond name now they need to get the business aspect of it back on healthy ground.

[Blowfeld]

I'd like to defend the honour of Green Lantern I recently watched the extended version and came away with different take on the movie. Let me say first I had no experiance with the Lantern comics so wasn't sure of what to expect aside from magic green auras.

In many way Lantern is one of Martin Campbell's better films, nowhere as clunky as GE and CR. The way the story flowed it put CR to shame, the chemistry in the leading couple put CR to shame, the development of the hero put CR to shame. If CR had actually been Bond Begins then it Green Lantern should have been the mould it was formed from. Martin proved had it in him I wonder at what happened behind the scenes to make CR so dreadful.

However at the end the issue with the Green Lantern is not the cast, story or directors vision, I actually was believing in the characters determination and the power of green by the end, the issue is Lantern is a super hero movie nobody asked for. Some how it is one Warner Brothers is determined to bring us more of, I don't know why but I do look forward to seeing what happens next.

[bjmdds]

Reynolds is part of the problem as Routh was with Superman. They needed a better draw than Reynolds.

[Kristatos]

And let me say I do not think this will do nearly as well as QoS did on the first weekend. A lot of people liked CR, so they went to see QoS on the wings of THAT success. A lot of people instead utterly disliked QoS so the new one has THAT as presentation, especially for 2nd week

I've been saying that practically since QOS's second weekend, when it dropped by around 65%. However, some people still seem to think that QOS was a success, based purely on its opening weekend and final box office total. I had this argument with a poster on Doctor Who forum Gallifrey Base. I don't think he was a studio shill, he just seemed incapable of grasping anything more nuanced than "QOS grossed nearly $600 million worldwide, therefore it was a hit". Sadly, I suspect he was all too typical of the average moviegoer, which is why Bond 23 needs to be a conspicuous failure.

[bjmdds]

DOMESTIC GROSSES
Adjusted for Ticket Price Inflation*


Rank Title Studio Adjusted Gross Unadjusted Gross Year^
1 Gone with the Wind MGM $1,610,295,700 $198,676,459 1939^
2 Star Wars Fox $1,419,613,200 $460,998,007 1977^
3 The Sound of Music Fox $1,135,050,500 $158,671,368 1965
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $1,130,579,000 $435,110,554 1982^
5 The Ten Commandments Par. $1,044,070,000 $65,500,000 1956
6 Titanic Par. $1,022,916,700 $600,788,188 1997^
7 Jaws Uni. $1,020,788,200 $260,000,000 1975
8 Doctor Zhivago MGM $989,359,600 $111,721,910 1965
9 The Exorcist WB $881,232,300 $232,671,011 1973^
10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Dis. $868,730,000 $184,925,486 1937^
11 101 Dalmatians Dis. $796,340,500 $144,880,014 1961^
12 The Empire Strikes Back Fox $782,499,700 $290,475,067 1980^
13 Ben-Hur MGM $781,060,000 $74,000,000 1959
14 Avatar Fox $775,124,500 $760,507,625 2009^
15 Return of the Jedi Fox $749,653,500 $309,306,177 1983^
16 The Sting Uni. $710,468,600 $156,000,000 1973
17 The Lion King BV $706,182,100 $420,210,076 1994^
18 Raiders of the Lost Ark Par. $702,490,600 $242,374,454 1981^
19 Jurassic Park Uni. $687,060,600 $357,067,947 1993
20 The Graduate AVCO $682,004,000 $104,901,839 1967^
21 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox $676,061,700 $431,088,301 1999^
22 Fantasia Dis. $661,856,500 $76,408,097 1941^
23 The Godfather Par. $629,012,900 $134,966,411 1972^
24 Forrest Gump Par. $626,008,500 $329,694,499 1994
25 Mary Poppins Dis. $623,109,100 $102,272,727 1964^
26 Grease Par. $613,066,400 $188,389,888 1978^
27 Thunderball UA $596,156,000 $63,595,658 1965
28 The Dark Knight WB $592,028,200 $533,345,358 2008
29 The Jungle Book Dis. $587,228,900 $141,843,612 1967^
30 Sleeping Beauty Dis. $579,228,200 $51,600,000 1959^
31 Shrek 2 DW $566,275,900 $441,226,247 2004
32 Ghostbusters Col. $563,723,000 $238,632,124 1984^
33 Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid Fox $562,346,100 $102,308,889 1969
34 Love Story Par. $557,885,200 $106,397,186 1970
35 Spider-Man Sony $553,793,400 $403,706,375 2002
36 Independence Day Fox $552,072,900 $306,169,268 1996
37 Home Alone Fox $539,841,600 $285,761,243 1990
38 Pinocchio Dis. $537,204,600 $84,254,167 1940^
39 Cleopatra (1963) Fox $535,452,200 $57,777,778 1963
40 Beverly Hills Cop Par. $535,185,600 $234,760,478 1984
41 Goldfinger UA $528,411,000 $51,081,062 1964
42 Airport Uni. $526,906,900 $100,489,151 1970
43 American Graffiti Uni. $523,742,900 $115,000,000 1973
44 The Robe Fox $521,672,700 $36,000,000 1953
45 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV $515,088,100 $423,315,812 2006
46 Around the World in 80 Days UA $514,984,600 $42,000,000 1956
47 Bambi RKO $507,788,200 $102,247,150 1942^
48 Blazing Saddles WB $503,923,300 $119,500,000 1974
49 Batman WB $501,748,300 $251,188,924 1989
50 The Bells of St. Mary's RKO $500,078,400 $21,333,333 1945
51 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King NL $490,459,000 $377,027,325 2003
52 The Towering Inferno Fox $489,164,000 $116,000,000 1974
53 Spider-Man 2 Sony $479,465,200 $373,585,825 2004
54 My Fair Lady WB $478,200,000 $72,000,000 1964
55 The Greatest Show on Earth Par. $478,200,000 $36,000,000 1952
56 National Lampoon's Animal House Uni. $477,325,400 $141,600,000 1978^
57 The Passion of the Christ NM $475,847,600 $370,782,930 2004^
58 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Fox $472,816,900 $380,270,577 2005
59 Back to the Future Uni. $470,633,700 $210,609,762 1985
60 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers NL $459,314,400 $341,786,758 2002^
61 The Sixth Sense BV $458,905,600 $293,506,292 1999
62 Superman WB $457,144,300 $134,218,018 1978
63 Tootsie Col. $453,524,400 $177,200,000 1982
64 Smokey and the Bandit Uni. $452,958,400 $126,737,428 1977
65 Finding Nemo BV $449,009,700 $339,714,978 2003^
66 West Side Story MGM $446,083,200 $43,656,822 1961
67 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone WB $445,626,500 $317,575,550 2001
68 Lady and the Tramp Dis. $444,207,000 $93,602,326 1955^
69 Close Encounters of the Third Kind Col. $442,937,100 $132,088,635 1977^
70 Lawrence of Arabia Col. $441,406,900 $44,824,144 1962^
71 The Rocky Horror Picture Show Fox $438,903,300 $112,892,319 1975
72 Rocky UA $438,668,600 $117,235,147 1976
73 The Best Years of Our Lives RKO $438,350,000 $23,650,000 1946
74 The Poseidon Adventure Fox $437,568,600 $84,563,118 1972
75 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring NL $435,990,300 $314,776,170 2001^
76 Twister WB $435,864,400 $241,721,524 1996
77 Men in Black Sony $435,294,900 $250,690,539 1997
78 The Bridge on the River Kwai Col. $433,568,000 $27,200,000 1957
79 Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen P/DW $429,590,400 $402,111,870 2009
80 It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World MGM $429,387,100 $46,332,858 1963
81 Swiss Family Robinson Dis. $428,849,800 $40,356,000 1960
82 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest UA $427,872,300 $108,981,275 1975
83 M.A.S.H. Fox $427,863,200 $81,600,000 1970
84 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom Par. $426,656,600 $179,870,271 1984
85 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones Fox $426,143,700 $310,676,740 2002^
86 Mrs. Doubtfire Fox $419,894,500 $219,195,243 1993
87 Aladdin BV $417,965,500 $217,350,219 1992
88 Toy Story 3 BV $416,048,900 $415,004,880 2010
89 Ghost Par. $410,177,800 $217,631,306 1990
90 Duel in the Sun Selz. $406,632,700 $20,408,163 1946
91 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl BV $403,671,700 $305,413,918 2003
92 House of Wax WB $402,739,400 $23,750,000 1953
93 Rear Window Par. $401,327,300 $36,764,313 1954^
94 The Lost World: Jurassic Park Uni. $397,782,300 $229,086,679 1997
95 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Par. $393,849,400 $197,171,806 1989
96 Spider-Man 3 Sony $389,846,900 $336,530,303 2007
97 Terminator 2: Judgment Day TriS $387,791,300 $204,843,345 1991
98 Sergeant York WB $383,541,800 $16,361,885 1941
99 How the Grinch Stole Christmas Uni. $383,411,400 $260,044,825 2000
100 Toy Story 2 BV $381,257,100 $245,852,179 1999^
CHART NOTES
* Adjusted to the estimated 2011 average ticket price of $7.97. Inflation-adjustment is mostly done by multiplying estimated admissions by the latest average ticket price. Where admissions are unavailable, adjustment is based on the average ticket price for when each movie was released (taking in to account re-releases where applicable).

^ Indicates documented multiple theatrical releases. Most of the pre-1980 movies listed on this chart had multiple undocumentented releases over the years. The year shown is the first year of release.

Most pre-1980 pictures achieved their totals through multiple releases, especially Disney animated features which made much of their totals in the past few decades belying their original release dates in terms of adjustment. For example, Snow White has made $118,328,683 of its unadjusted $184,925,486 total since 1983. (Any of your favorites on this list?)

[bjmdds]

And let me say I do not think this will do nearly as well as QoS did on the first weekend. A lot of people liked CR, so they went to see QoS on the wings of THAT success. A lot of people instead utterly disliked QoS so the new one has THAT as presentation, especially for 2nd week

I've been saying that practically since QOS's second weekend, when it dropped by around 65%. However, some people still seem to think that QOS was a success, based purely on its opening weekend and final box office total. I had this argument with a poster on Doctor Who forum Gallifrey Base. I don't think he was a studio shill, he just seemed incapable of grasping anything more nuanced than "QOS grossed nearly $600 million worldwide, therefore it was a hit". Sadly, I suspect he was all too typical of the average moviegoer, which is why Bond 23 needs to be a conspicuous failure.

Opening weekend for the "chia-pet" non-Bond film, even with increased ticket prices, will be LESS than QOS. As Kirk said to the head Klingon Christopher Lloyd at the end of Star Trek III, as he kicked him off the cliff, "I........HAVE HAD ENOUGH...........OF YOU " The same applies to Cr-egg, and the worldwide condemnation of his acting skills will once again rear it's head in November 2012. It will only be appropriate and just that the vampire saga will PUT THE NAIL IN CR-EGG'S COFFIN AS BOND

[FormerBondFan]

Opening weekend for the "chia-pet" non-Bond film, even with increased ticket prices, will be LESS than QOS.

BJ....is it possible Bond 23's opening numbers would make less than DAD's and even CR's? This EVIL propaganda supplied by EON doesn't even deserve to break a single record, not even here in the US. It deserves to end up like Jaws: The Revenge and lose money even more than QOS.

Even after 3 years, I'm still upset that QOS got the #1 position on its opening at the US box office, beating DAD's opening by $20 million. Worse, it is the highest grossing Bond in the US as of today. This should tell you that DC's Bonds are nothing more than EVIL virus that infects the general audience and turn them into zombies.

[Dr. No]

And let me say I do not think this will do nearly as well as QoS did on the first weekend. A lot of people liked CR, so they went to see QoS on the wings of THAT success. A lot of people instead utterly disliked QoS so the new one has THAT as presentation, especially for 2nd week

I've been saying that practically since QOS's second weekend, when it dropped by around 65%. However, some people still seem to think that QOS was a success, based purely on its opening weekend and final box office total. I had this argument with a poster on Doctor Who forum Gallifrey Base. I don't think he was a studio shill, he just seemed incapable of grasping anything more nuanced than "QOS grossed nearly $600 million worldwide, therefore it was a hit". Sadly, I suspect he was all too typical of the average moviegoer, which is why Bond 23 needs to be a conspicuous failure.

I agree completely I think if Bond 23 is anything but a conspicuous failure they will never get the message this is not what you do to Bond!

I though QoS would be a bigger flop because the bad economy in 2008 I was wrong, I hesitate to say it again about 2012 because i was so wrong before and the movie industry does not go through the recessions like other industries. I would like to say Craig's spy is too 2001 in its mentality, back when Bourne and Bauer were fresh. I kinda feel 2012 is too long to continue the CR pretense. I'll probably be wrong on this too like i was about teh bad economy hurting QoS.

IMHO the message the studio should get about Cirag is he was the wrong actor and wrong direction in the movies. I feel the essence of James Bond could carry the movies and make the interesting generation to generation and the Criag movies are stuck in a time warp. Connery to Borsnan the moves changed to meet the times GE had to deal with the cold war being over but the character was a constant and with Craig lost all Bond was lost and the movies became copies of other spy movies. The thing I want the studios to do for bond 24 is bring back Bond!