The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[oscartheman]

I remember certain fanboys being angry about Tailor of Panama hurting Bonds image.Where are they now Bond's image is shot in the head and tossed in a dumpster?Dante's Peak was a small February movie not a big time summer movie the fact Craig can't carry a big time movie is shows of the hype about Craig is empty.Real Steel may be a mess but Jackman will carry the movie.

[stockslivevan]

I remember certain fanboys being angry about Tailor of Panama hurting Bonds image.Where are they now Bond's image is shot in the head and tossed in a dumpster?

I wouldn't know, I never saw the flick. But I always heard the opposite of what you said, that Bond fans actually wished Brosnan played Bond a lot more like he did on Tailor of Panama. IMO I wish he played Bond a lot more like he did in certain sections of DIE ANOTHER DAY. Yes, the Bond film most fans consider the worst I believe carries the best Bond performance by Brosnan. He got rid of his boyish smooth operator act from the earlier films and became more of a no nonsense tough as nails Bond. It's too bad it has to be on his final contract film, and that fans tend to overlook it because of the film's overt nature.

Dante's Peak was a small February movie not a big time summer movie.

A film with a budget over 100 million dollars in 1997 isn't what I'd call a "small movie". Besides that was a different time, not too long after other flicks becoming blockbusters on a month like February.

[Thunderpussy]

anyone read this over at Mi6,

'Quantum of Solace' was cobbled together, says Daniel Craig

Quantum Of Solace - 30-07-11

In a revealing interview with The Telegraph, conducted to promote his latest film "Cowboys & Aliens", Daniel Craig reveals his feelings about "Quantum of Solace" and who Bond 23 is shaping up in pre-production.

When asked about whether the delay in starting his third James Bond adventure, due to the MGM financial debacle, has affected his outlook on 007, Craig said: "“The hiatus may prove to be a good thing, because I’m itching to have another crack at it, particularly after Quantum of Solace. We had to cobble that one together because it was made in the midst of the writers’ strike, and it had an effect on the finished product, no doubt. With this one, the right things are in place – Sam [Mendes] is on board and we have the bones of a really good script.”

Will he be doing more after that? “I think so,” he says, somewhat guardedly. He doesn’t know? “I take it one job at a time. Put it this way, if we mess it up, I won’t be asked to do another. The contract goes both ways. I can walk away from it or they can sack me.”


oh to be proved right. It wasn't an attempt at an arthouse movie at all It was JUST CRAP all the time. and finally their coming out of the woodwork to admitt it.

[Blowfeld]

Daniel apparently did himself no favors with the Universal team.

I heard from Universal that Daniel Craig was a royal pain in the ass when it came to doing publicity, but he did enough with Harrison Ford to merit one magazine cover line, "When Bond Met Indy". (Barf!)
'Smurfs' Vs 'Cowboys & Aliens' Too Close To Call With $36M Weekend: Who Wins Sunday? 'Crazy Stupid Love' #5

[Blowfeld]

I don't believe anyone could believe the 1997 Star War re-edit would last so long at number 1. I think Dante's Peak opened pretty good for 1997, 116 million dollars was a huge amount of money, TND didn't cost near as much

[Blowfeld]

anyone read this over at Mi6,

'Quantum of Solace' was cobbled together, says Daniel Craig

Quantum Of Solace - 30-07-11

In a revealing interview with The Telegraph, conducted to promote his latest film "Cowboys & Aliens", Daniel Craig reveals his feelings about "Quantum of Solace" and who Bond 23 is shaping up in pre-production.

When asked about whether the delay in starting his third James Bond adventure, due to the MGM financial debacle, has affected his outlook on 007, Craig said: "“The hiatus may prove to be a good thing, because I’m itching to have another crack at it, particularly after Quantum of Solace. We had to cobble that one together because it was made in the midst of the writers’ strike, and it had an effect on the finished product, no doubt. With this one, the right things are in place – Sam [Mendes] is on board and we have the bones of a really good script.”

Will he be doing more after that? “I think so,” he says, somewhat guardedly. He doesn’t know? “I take it one job at a time. Put it this way, if we mess it up, I won’t be asked to do another. The contract goes both ways. I can walk away from it or they can sack me.”


oh to be proved right. It wasn't an attempt at an arthouse movie at all It was JUST CRAP all the time. and finally their coming out of the woodwork to admitt it.

Wow! You know he went on and on about how good Qos was . It does seem to bear out what Mazer and Ale have said about trouble behind the scenes.

[Thunderpussy]

It's funny to read now what Craig is saying about having Mendes as Director as he said pretty much the same over Marc Forester.
Eon looks like a bunch of headless chickens ( Angy birds) jumping on any old idea they think is trendy or might be popular
even the great script they now have for Bond 23, He said the same about Bond 22. I think the whole reboot is turning in to a Farce !
Clearly eon did one passable Movie CR, not great but good enough,they then sat back and forgot "It's an On Going series of movies" . They
had NO IDEA what to do next, and still Don't.

[English Agent]

It's funny to read now what Craig is saying about having Mendes as Director as he said pretty much the same over Marc Forester.
Eon looks like a bunch of headless chickens ( Angy birds) jumping on any old idea they think is trendy or might be popular
even the great script they now have for Bond 23, He said the same about Bond 22. I think the whole reboot is turning in to a Farce !
Clearly eon did one passable Movie CR, not great but good enough,they then sat back and forgot "It's an On Going series of movies" . They
had NO IDEA what to do next, and still Don't.

The writers strike is a poor excuse, remember EON were initially preparing to release QOS in May 2008.

Basically, EON didnt do thier homework, they should prepare a film first, before setting a release date with the studio.

[bjmdds]

Dante's Peak has little to do with Bond. In the 21st century, with a WORLD debt crisis in place, money is tight. Film studios in the roaring 1990s did not worry about spending $150 million to make a film. In 2011, they most definitely DO and when Spielberg, Howard, and Favreau spend a boat load on a film STARRING Danielle as the lead, and it loses MILLIONS, how do you promote a bona fide loser as James Bond in the future films? "It's all about bucks kid, the rest is just conversation". (Gekko to Bud Fox in Wall Street I 1987).

[Kristatos]

Regarding Smurfs, apparently they were created by a Belgian man who then had them made into a comic book series.
Later the Americans turned them into an animated TV series.

What nationality was Father Abraham?

[stockslivevan]

Dante's Peak has little to do with Bond. In the 21st century, with a WORLD debt crisis in place, money is tight. Film studios in the roaring 1990s did not worry about spending $150 million to make a film. In 2011, they most definitely DO and when Spielberg, Howard, and Favreau spend a boat load on a film STARRING Danielle as the lead, and it loses MILLIONS, how do you promote a bona fide loser as James Bond in the future films? "It's all about bucks kid, the rest is just conversation". (Gekko to Bud Fox in Wall Street I 1987).

With Craig's two Bond entries having made over a billion dollars I don't think the financiers have anything to worry about. I suppose we'll wait and see. Still I doubt this is going to kick Craig out of Bond soon, it's way too close right now to postpone Bond 23 just to make a couple of bean counters feel comfortable with a new leading actor in the role.

[bjmdds]

A new Bond would invigorate a bored Bond public at the box office. The wacky western just tied the Smurfs for the weekend, and expect it to fade fast by the internet reviews. In addition, gross is meaningless when in truth QOS LOST money!

[katied]

Both Cowboys Versus Aliens and The Smurfs will probably both fade fast-I wouldn't count on either of them being in many movie theaters a few weeks from now.

[Omega]

It's funny to read now what Craig is saying about having Mendes as Director as he said pretty much the same over Marc Forester.
Eon looks like a bunch of headless chickens ( Angy birds) jumping on any old idea they think is trendy or might be popular
even the great script they now have for Bond 23, He said the same about Bond 22. I think the whole reboot is turning in to a Farce !
Clearly eon did one passable Movie CR, not great but good enough,they then sat back and forgot "It's an On Going series of movies" . They
had NO IDEA what to do next, and still Don't.

The writers strike is a poor excuse, remember EON were initially preparing to release QOS in May 2008.

Basically, EON didnt do thier homework, they should prepare a film first, before setting a release date with the studio.

Theya re still doing release date first. QoS had more of the normal run up than Bond 23 has. Bond 23 has musical writers and rushed out delivery, if Bond 23 sucks then Craig will say it was problems with the MGM crisis and rushed production. These guys were so happy with QOS Marc Forester was invited back!!! Only after public reaction was so bad and the reviews were so damning did they ever say well maybe we made a mistake. I'm not sure the script was the problem with QoS it was a bad ideal all the way around, even if the Oil had been the main object for the Quantum group the other stories were plain stupid and a rogue Bond again was lame.

[Omega]

Both Cowboys Versus Aliens and The Smurfs will probably both fade fast-I wouldn't count on either of them being in many movie theaters a few weeks from now.

CvA appear to be fizzling quickly. I am kind of glad becuase all of those hollywood bigwigs who "know what they're doing" screwed up in big way. They are so used to telling the public "this is what you will like!" it is nice to see them fall on their face once every now and then.
I had wanted CVA to do well to get Craig off the Bond but he seems so bitter about QoS he'd do anything to make another. But "deeply complex dark plot and turning Bond on its head" sounds like more or the same QoS think.

[stockslivevan]

But "deeply complex dark plot and turning Bond on its head" sounds like more or the same QoS think.

Complex is hardly the word I'd use to describe QOS, but it probably should have been to make it more engaging. An unfortunate side-effect of the writers strike. But there have been past films like TB and TLD that I would call quite complex, particularly when it comes to the characters. The romance between Bond and Kara is easily the best written of the series.

[katied]

Jeez, Daniel Craig could trash talk QOS 'till the cows come home and Babs could care less. Bizarre!

[stockslivevan]

Did he? I heard that he expressed disappointment over how it turned out but I never heard him trash it.

[English Agent]

What i dont understand with EON is that, to take QOS as an example, due to the relative lack of time allocated for post-production, and the producers first screening of the first rough cut of the film, why on earth didn't they say...........Marc your film is not quite upto scratch, we will give you more time to re-edit the film, so when the film is shown to the public, the film would be more watchable. Why not put the release date back a few months, it may be expensive to do, but the film could potentially gross more later as it would be more appealing to the audiences.
The trouble with QOS its history now, and stands out as the damaged goods film in the Bond library.

I remember MGW stating that there wasnt enough to time to correct the film!

I still dont understand to this day why EON wanted to make another Bond film with Marc Forster...........what is it that millions of filmgoers around the world can see is wrong, but the producers cant, are they too rich to care!

If EON were proud of their products then they would make the film as best as possible, before releasing it.......i mean other filmakers are prepared to put back the release of their films, so they can make them as best as possible. Why not EON.
Surely even the film studios must have some pride in their products........or was Sean Connery right when he said that the business people in studios these days are idiots.

Bond films dont have to be released in November only either.

Supposedly Bond 23 is going to start shooting well before the end of this year.....could this be a sign that they realise the need to give the film more production time.

I've never been able to find any comments on the web, regarding what Craig thought of QOS....are there any?
Mind you as i have mentioned before it was he who finally persuaded to get Forster to direct the film, so i imagine he feels a little awkward about it.

[Alessandra]

A new Bond would invigorate a bored Bond public at the box office. The wacky western just tied the Smurfs for the weekend, and expect it to fade fast by the internet reviews. In addition, gross is meaningless when in truth QOS LOST money!

Agree with all of it, but last line in particular. QoS booked a loss for the studio. Like for any other movie, gross means absolutely nothing other than how good the studios are at advertising their product. Too bad that advertising costs (that for movies like Potter, Cowboys & Aliens or Bond are not less than $150 mln) are NOT included in production costs, so they must be added to that figure and detracted from the gross. Then there's taxes (and that's a lot of money) and the fact that the theaters AND the distributor are those who get the biggest percentage of the box office gross (by far biggest percentage). When all is said and done, with hundreds of millions of gross, very little of that money goes to the studio. QoS lost money, it didn't make money.

Was just reading this and it makes a few quite interesting points.

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/07/31/b ... ns-smurfs/

About Craig and what he said. Really? Now you say it, after (obviously) having lied about it when the movie was being released? I understand publicity needs of course, but could you at least avoid flat-out lying to then finally tell the truth years after? Just be vague enough in the first place maybe? So you avoid insulting our intelligence, since we all knew and saw that QoS was a horrible, crammed together movie? By the way, note how he says they have the "bones of a really good script". Which means they have the general outlines for a first draft, or not even that. Clearly doesn't mean anything like a first draft done, let alone a finished script. And yeah, it's kind of strange to be proven totally right by Craig himself (including about Bond 23 not having a script yet...). I'm just glad it shows nobody here says things random. We know what we're talking about if we dare make certain comments.

EA, they're LATE filming in October. That's not soon, that's late for an action movie to be already in theaters Oct. of the following year in UK & Ireland. Henry Cavill started filming Superman this week, and that was initially set for December release (although never officially, but still, it would have been a month LATER than Bond and they're already filming and they have ALREADY cast everyone, extras included as a friend of mine was filming in Chicago this week with them) and it's now being released in June 2013. That gives you an idea how late they are with Bond. That said, they have had a habit of filming this late with Bond, they did the same (or even later actually, they were filming in my backyard in April LOL) with QoS. So I think it's normal for the EON monkeys. Except the results haven't exactly been up to par. I also want to see how they start filming in October with no Bond girls, no villain, no role other than Bond and M being cast so far. (nothing has gone around except rumours, nobody has officially been announced.). And I'm not liking the premise at all, because it totally sounds like another QoS to me. That said it could turn out to be much better, miracles happen sometimes. I somehow doubt it, but you never know.