The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

Is Cr-egg in it? HE affects the quality of the film.

[katied]

The problem is it's pretty much a scene for scene remake of the original Swedish GWTDT film..but with Daniel Craig.

[Alessandra]

I've never seen the original and I'm not into this franchise at all, so I won't express any judgment on it. The fact Daniel Craig is the leading man is enough for me NOT to watch it. I find him completely miscast as Bond but I also don't like him as an actor in general, so sorry, no can do here.

Is Cr-egg in it? HE affects the quality of the film.

[Blowfeld]

The problem is it's pretty much a scene for scene remake of the original Swedish GWTDT film..but with Daniel Craig.

After watching the trailer, given it was a lousy copy I was not impress. Really wanted to be.. thought I would be what I saw was no different than what Daniel normally does. I didn't see Mikael Blomkvist I am puzzled as to why, is it a bad trailer? Could they of cut the scenes to play to Daniels 007 fad...

Didn't like what I saw and I truly want Daniel to make 'The Millennium Trilogy'

This guy from the original does fit what Mikael looks like in my mind.

[katied]

The guy from the Swedish movies is Blomkvist. Not Craig. Craig is a pale imitation.

[Goldeneye]

OK I am done recovering the old data I can.

I found Google cache saved some of our forum, I used what I could to recreate a few lost threads. However it was something only the Admin could do, it was painstaking and perhaps unnecessary

Sorry for the confusion of old posts popping as new.

[Blowfeld]

The guy from the Swedish movies is Blomkvist. Not Craig. Craig is a pale imitation.

How did you like the movies?

Wrote up half a review for the book, I hit 'From Russia With Love' in the second and decided I need to do the series as a whole, to bad I lent out my books

So aspects of Daniel's real life I thought would play well with the Blomkvist character. He has a teenage/ young adult daughter he seem to give little consideration to, not claiming this is fact form the outside appearance this would be in sync with cavalier attitude of the Blomkvist character. I thought Daniel's look would be an asset to this character, what witnessed in that trailer (to borrow a phrase) was an old footballer trying on a second career as sports reporter.
Where was Blomkvist? I am used to Bond being absent form his big screen appearances, in a story like this the main character has to be correct or else it just will not work.

Daniel was supposed to be the top of his field so we were told in nasty tones a few years back, why then is this ultimate actor so incapable of depth?

I hope this trailer was a bad example of what will be in the movie and perhaps like many other trailers this one is made up of discarded scenes. Above all I want this movie and CvA to be successful, Daniel can have a long and happy career... Well away from 007.

[katied]

Several of us have seen a pirated version of the trailer, which is probably not fair..still, it was a mess.That's the only word I can think of for it. I hope there is a second trailer, that is better.


I loved the Swedish language versions of the films. They're frickin' brutal to watch, but I like them. They stay fairly close to the story, as well. One thing that bugs me is that in the English language remake, Dragan, Lisbeth's boss, is much younger(he's played by Goran Visjnic who is not much younger than me. Dragan is clearly described as being middle aged in the books. Just a small quibble but still..

[Bond's ghost]

Where is all the Bond 23 news? It's June already and the last news alert was from January announcing a release date

[Powder Puff]

Several of us have seen a pirated version of the trailer, which is probably not fair..still, it was a mess.That's the only word I can think of for it. I hope there is a second trailer, that is better.


I loved the Swedish language versions of the films. They're frickin' brutal to watch, but I like them. They stay fairly close to the story, as well. One thing that bugs me is that in the English language remake, Dragan, Lisbeth's boss, is much younger(he's played by Goran Visjnic who is not much younger than me. Dragan is clearly described as being middle aged in the books. Just a small quibble but still..

I'd rather watch a well respected Swedish language version than a remake with Daniel Craig personally. I don't mind reading the subtitles.

I was going to say that remakes of foreign language movies are inferior to the originals but there are probably lots of remakes which are as good.

[Alessandra]

Where is all the Bond 23 news? It's June already and the last news alert was from January announcing a release date

Funny you ask...

I just posted a new thread in News for this, but, Variety just let it out that they're going to release the movie TWO weeks earlier in the Uk & Ireland. So once again, release news. With no script, no actors cast. I just can't wrap my head around this. It's starting to become incredibly weird.

[shaken not stirred]

I just posted a new thread in News for this, but, Variety just let it out that they're going to release the movie TWO weeks earlier in the Uk & Ireland. So once again, release news. With no script, no actors cast. I just can't wrap my head around this. It's starting to become incredibly weird.

Bond 23: Why is the script gone?

[English Agent]

Talking of scripts...............i hope this time we will at least get an interesting story!

The scripts for the past few films have been pretty lame.........in particular QOS, in which i feel the average 10 year old school kid could of written something more engaging.
In fact i read somewhere, that Paul Haggis's initial script for QOS was so disturbing that even EON threw it out.
It apparently involved Bond's orphan child!

Anyway, it goes to show you, how good a story teller Ian Fleming was!

EA

[bjmdds]

Just look at Cr-egg's most recently directed Eon stunt. That's all you need to know about any scripts EA. They have no original ideas now. There's no Bourne film to copy, and the worldwide current events are depressing. Just look to the PSA to get an idea of where Eon will go with film 23.

[Mazer Rackham]

Talking of scripts...............i hope this time we will at least get an interesting story!

The scripts for the past few films have been pretty lame.........in particular QOS, in which i feel the average 10 year old school kid could of written something more engaging.
In fact i read somewhere, that Paul Haggis's initial script for QOS was so disturbing that even EON threw it out.
It apparently involved Bond's orphan child!

Anyway, it goes to show you, how good a story teller Ian Fleming was!

EA

I believe it was going to be Vespers orphan Child, who Bond would coldly walk away from because he is a Bas***d and a despicable human being. As Fleming intended him to be -all praise EON!

DAD had a decent story (MR) unfortunately too many were lost because of the overuse of Sci-fi elements. CR marked the beginning of weird twist in EONs bonnet, trying to change Bond into something it fundamentally is not by bringing in actors, directors, and writers fundamentally ill-suited to the task.
Reading Bloody Morgan's opinion of Bond as well as hints to what his treatment was I am damned glad he left on his own.

As of right now Bond 23 is working up to be a Mendes-Craig collaboration more than a EON-MGM production. However all we know for certain is from the early stages which may drastically change through the production process as it did for Quark (Bond 22).

I agree Fleming was a hell of storyteller, however his world was fantastic adventure which translated magnificently to the silver screen. The collaboration of Cubby, Saltzman, Young, and Fleming was masterstroke capturing lighting in a bottle. There was a damned good reason why the Bond template was what is was and why it lasted so long.

[bjmdds]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43248315/ns ... ?GT1=43001 Watch what you eat in Europe. Maybe Brocolli will incorporate this bit of news into the 23rd film, her third straight non-Bond film.

[katied]

Oh god, the "Vesper had a kid" plot. Oh HELL no. Don't even get me started on that because I won't shut up.


Saw the official GWTDT remake trailer and..it's basically the same as the pirated one(with less nudity, though I didn't notice the nudity in the redband trailer).

[English Agent]

Where is all the Bond 23 news? It's June already and the last news alert was from January announcing a release date

Exactly

Either the filmakers want to surprise us at the last moment with some interesting news...............or there isnt any!

Anyway, i hope they are getting on with things, as ive read today that the release dates for Bond 23 have been officially set.

Can't remember the exact dates, but US is early Nov, with a UK date 2 weeks prior to that near the end of October!

Who's getting excited?

EA

[Alessandra]

Where is all the Bond 23 news? It's June already and the last news alert was from January announcing a release date

Exactly

Either the filmakers want to surprise us at the last moment with some interesting news...............or there isnt any!

Anyway, i hope they are getting on with things, as ive read today that the release dates for Bond 23 have been officially set.

Can't remember the exact dates, but US is early Nov, with a UK date 2 weeks prior to that near the end of October!

Who's getting excited?

EA

That's what I was talking about earlier and what I posted in news earlier... that it's going to premiere two weeks earlier in the UK than in the US and the dates are there. Except there's no script and no casting. It's just beyond weird. It is one thing not to know anything (and I mean anything) about the script... fine, secrecy sometimes works (it doesn't to THIS extent, but let's pretend it does). But there's absolutely no way in hell that if they cast ANYONE in ANY of the roles the news wouldn't be out. So that's why I say this thing is getting really, really weird. It's just bizarre. There's no finished script, nobody's cast (which means they are WAY late since by now they should have EVERYTHING mapped out, shooting dates included). Yet they announce release date in the UK is going to be in OCTOBER next year? It's just nuts.

I believe it was going to be Vespers orphan Child, who Bond would coldly walk away from because he is a Bas***d and a despicable human being. As Fleming intended him to be -all praise EON!

How anyone who knows just a SMIDGEON about Bond would write anything like that is beyond me. Goes to show what I've always said about Haggis. May be great script-writer but he sure as hell isn't for Bond and he knows NOTHING about it. When even EON guided by Babs's nonsensical person discards a script idea because it's too disturbing, things have to be at a seriously low point

DAD had a decent story (MR) unfortunately too many were lost because of the overuse of Sci-fi elements. CR marked the beginning of weird twist in EONs bonnet, trying to change Bond into something it fundamentally is not by bringing in actors, directors, and writers fundamentally ill-suited to the task.
Reading Bloody Morgan's opinion of Bond as well as hints to what his treatment was I am damned glad he left on his own.

Oh, we need to have a good talk about this one. And how Logan came on board. I am particularly eager to discuss it seen as when I brought it up the first time and nobody was talking about it and nobody had announced Logan yet, I was basically called names on a general site (not here obviously, though at the time there was some trouble-maker who implied I was saying nonsense). And of course, since I never make certain statements without having actual proof of it, I was right. Major fight, new writer that nobody had any idea about, all that. And let's point out that Logan is NOT good news for us, since we actually want to see Bond and not EMO Bond and he is the KING of EMO dark characters and lots of internal turmoil. Seriously.

I agree DAD had decent story but the whole sci-fi part exaggeration ruined it (and now it sorta came true in reality, how ironic.. those who kept talking about the invisible car will have to shut up about that, too now LOL).

And as per above, also agree that of course they're bringing in a bunch of people who are completely ill-suited for the Bond task. Leaving Mendes aside (and that's one major "leave aside"), Logan is just WRONG for Bond, just like Haggis was. And actually probably worse since he isn't even as good as Haggis. Then there's the totally inadequate leading man of course. And then there's the left aside element, Mendes, who is a carbon copy of Forster, and what's worse, one who is all for dark internal turmoil like Logan the script-writer. When I put the pieces together here, I just see a very scary picture before my eyes. Another QoS, or possibly worse. Cubby must be rolling in his grave, poor man. Seeing the work he so brilliantly did in his life reduced to, well, a pile of horror.

I agree Fleming was a hell of storyteller, however his world was fantastic adventure which translated magnificently to the silver screen. The collaboration of Cubby, Saltzman, Young, and Fleming was masterstroke capturing lighting in a bottle. There was a damned good reason why the Bond template was what is was and why it lasted so long.

Obviously. And equally obviously Babs thinks she's SOOO above it all that she has not only the power but the brains that NO ONE else does to take Bond to a whole different level and a whole new artistic direction. There aren't enough of these to show how I feel about this. Really, I truly don't want Bond 23 to fail, but this woman's ego is so effing huge that she would only learn the lesson like that. Except then we'd be left with no franchise, and I'm not willing to take that risk. And this is ALL her fault. The situation we are in, the impossible solution to it... it's all her. I can't believe a WOMAN of all things would completely ruin the franchise. Ironic.

[bjmdds]

I want to see FBF and Ms. B alone in a locked room, one on one, and we will get results.