The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[stockslivevan]

Well, it appears now that another Bond forum is muzzling discussion on Craig as Bond in Drag.

There should be NO locked threads anywhere Charley.

To be fair it was getting spammy, having stretching 30 pages it seemed inevitable. I think everyone made their opinions clear anyway. Nobody likes the ad.

The admins, or one of them, closed that thread far too early, in my opinion. When did news of this ad come out? Monday? You have many members there who don't check in every day, perhaps once a week or even a greater break in time. So the weekend comes around and a thread on one of the biggest recent controversies in the Bond world is locked there. (Although, curiously, I've been seeing a couple of nonsense additions squeaking in.) If a thread starts going off track and an admin is disturbed by that, then corral the thread back to subject at hand. They do that all the time there, but not this time. I'm wondering--just wondering--if the powers that be don't want to upset Eon too much.

There have been plenty of attempts by mods and regulars at trying to keep things civil and non-spammy. That didn't work so they took action. Again, I think everyone has already expressed their feelings on the matter and the consensus is that no one liked it. It's not as if they deleted the thread like a lot of others, it's still there to be read. If they didn't want to upset EON too much they would have done that, maybe worse.

[stockslivevan]

]To the contrary, this place is BETTER THAN IT EVER WAS with the current membership, so those who left, probably never belonged here in the first place.

Given trolls like Katied, I wouldn't agree. If she was pro-Craig she would have been banned long ago, PERMANENTLY. Let's not forget good folks such as Skywalker who is hardly active these days.

Let's settle this once and for all Stocks. I went on MI6 this week and you responded to my posts in your usual manner, correct? Then your banned moderator from here, Benny=Nash, put a post up calling me an "idiot". I can tell you point blank,and humbly, that guy is not in my "galaxy" when it comes to educational background. I responded to him, in kind, and he did not post a response to my retort back. You come back here and no one bothers you. You are welcomed with open arms, yet your hostile obsession with Katied continues to puzzle all here. Why don't you just stick to the topics of the day? Skywalker is quite busy now in his personal life or he would post more often as he enjoys it here. There is NO rift here. I cannot say the same thing at MI6. Your forum once again distinguished itself by locking another thread that made your hero look bad. Censorship does not equate to an open forum. So either enjoy posting here, or leave, that's your choice, as it should be, but STOP attacking other people here for their views. I know it's common to do so at your home base, but don't do it here. This is NOT the place it was when you left here. The new people here are excellent contributors with inside tracks on the ongoings behind the scenes and they have greatly added to the richness here.

I missed this post, so here's my response.

That Nash's issue, not MI6 as a whole since he was the only bloke that responded to you with hostility. Plus MI6 has lately shown more skepticism regarding Craig than it has since the announcement of his casting, especially since the release of the ad. You've been away from MI6 too long.

And most important of all, I am not attacking Katied because of her views. Stop taking things out of context. I know your fond of her because to you all ant-Craigs are on your good list regardless. I have problems with her because of her character and the way she goes about in the forum. I have NO ISSUES at all for anyone who does not like Craig.

Besides I spoke with her and we put eachother on ignore. That should settle it if it makes all of you happy.

[Mulli]

This is James Bond?

Is anyone else seriously worried?

This must surely be the end of this nonsense, maybe it's time we fans started a petition to remove him?

Read some of your posts at mi6 bjmdds, they don't exactly welcome you well do they.

Sweep it under the carpet like it never happened.

[Charles Vine]

Well, it appears now that another Bond forum is muzzling discussion on Craig as Bond in Drag.

There should be NO locked threads anywhere Charley.

To be fair it was getting spammy, having stretching 30 pages it seemed inevitable. I think everyone made their opinions clear anyway. Nobody likes the ad.

The admins, or one of them, closed that thread far too early, in my opinion. When did news of this ad come out? Monday? You have many members there who don't check in every day, perhaps once a week or even a greater break in time. So the weekend comes around and a thread on one of the biggest recent controversies in the Bond world is locked there. (Although, curiously, I've been seeing a couple of nonsense additions squeaking in.) If a thread starts going off track and an admin is disturbed by that, then corral the thread back to subject at hand. They do that all the time there, but not this time. I'm wondering--just wondering--if the powers that be don't want to upset Eon too much.

There have been plenty of attempts by mods and regulars at trying to keep things civil and non-spammy. That didn't work so they took action. Again, I think everyone has already expressed their feelings on the matter and the consensus is that no one liked it. It's not as if they deleted the thread like a lot of others, it's still there to be read. If they didn't want to upset EON too much they would have done that, maybe worse.

My point still stands, though. The news is fresh and there may be members there who will be logging on over the weekend and have no place to state their opinion. As it was, toward the end of that thread new voices started being heard. Then, let's add another point: The ad is supposed to air on television and be shown in cinemas. Hopefully, MI6 will allow a new thread on that or open up the one they locked. Threads there can go on for months and months, with the same opinions stated over and over again, but this one (the most briskly active in a long time) was stopped in less than a week. Which I find curious.

[shaken not stirred]

Found My post on deadline: (you're right ale server problem stopped it showing)

What a joke, I hated craigs bond since he started and babs influence the minute he came on, but hoped it would get better after he finishes the role, but this is below the bloody belt, you’ve killed an iconic character eon.

James bond is dead long live james bond.

As for m16 I was gonna log in there to help you guys out but you're not gonna get a word in edgeways there as it is, you make a point like most places now you're a troll instead of allowing good criticism or agreeing to disagree, the worlds been taken over by the stupid and the ones with sense are now unfortunately in the minority (for most things now), I tried to give craigs bond a chance when he started but it never felt right and the whole time I was asking is this a james bond film or is he james bond yet?, how can anyone look at bond the same way after he put him in a dress and still say we respect him, as an actor in layer cake and defiance I do, but as bond he's literally just pissed in most of his fans faces with that and m16 look like they want more.

I used to have a crapload of respect for charlie sheen till all recent events, I loved his stuff, now I can't watch 2 and a halfmen without wishing I could punch him in the face for threatening his wife with a machete, beating her up and being a reall ass.

I know that's not the same thing I was just trying to use that as an example, craig pissed on a lot of people with the drag act and sheen pissed on everyone with what he did off the show, which in turn affected his charlie harper character completely and a lot of fans cant view his character the same way now.

I'm not against anyone that likes craigs bond, all I'm saying is I don't get how a lot of people can still respect someone for pretty much giving his fans the finger there and then, if Brosnan or the rest did the same thing I'd think the same thing about them.

Get rid of babs and craig now eon and don't let your stupid artsy version of bond hit you on the way out , d**n I wish Cubby Brocoli was still around , Fleming made the books and character no doubt, but Cubby made the film bond that a lot of us became big fans of, now his daughter steps in and leaves her mark in her own way that basically says f u dad, you take someone elses work you respect it.

I'm not watching bond 23 period, if I want to look at art I'll go to a museum or look at art websites, good job eon what next?, make gandolf an alcoholic, bilbo a transvestite perhaps, after all you like the artsy stuff am I right .

Sorry guys but that really pisses Me off, I'm used to keeping cool here, just what we need for the depression, another depressed non bond, hooray for misery and gloominess, reality tv and everything else that's stopped Me from enjoying what I used to like.

Bond used to be pure escapism that I used to enjoy and it cheered Me up, now it looks like someones crap in a toilet and I don't want to see crap.

[Captain Arthurs]

MI6 reunion here today! I was gutted about that thread. I was only able to do one joke before it was locked.

[Thunderpussy]

Well I think that's a great post, Shaken not stirred. I too was willing to give Craig a chance. I didn't Love CR but thought ok thats Bond starting out the next will be back to the old formula, Boy was I wrong The sooner his time is over the Better and get Bond Back !

[Charles Vine]

MI6 reunion here today!

Yes, indeed! LOL.

Let me fill out my suspicions on the locking of that thread at MI6....

The thread reached page 30. Check page 29 and you still have "non-spam" discussions on the ad, including a new member coming in to state his "piece." Luds came in on page 30 and seemed to have locked the thread down, after a couple of posts that followed his. I should have been taking screen captures, but I'm sure that a couple of other "spam" posts on Zardoz made it through after Luds locked the thread. Silly posts about--Zardoz. Which would show that the thread was going nowhere.

However, there was still much more to say about the topic at hand--especially by members who hadn't yet logged onto MI6 or NEW members who had joined, or would join, to state their opinion. And, believe me, inbetween Bond films, Bond boards tend to get quiet, if not nearly dead. So this was a golden opportunity to gather in new members and stimulate the old ones into a discussion. But, no, thread locked.

Now, why would MI6 be concerned over what Eon thinks? I don't know the persons behind MI6, but is it true that MI6 brings out a Bond magazine fairly regularly? If so, then there's your answer as to why MI6 would not want to piss off Babs and Company too much. A Bond magazine, as well produced as that one, needs access to deluxe exclusive photos and information that only Eon can provide. In the good old days, Cubby used to keep a tight rein on official photographic matter. (That's why unofficial Bond film books suffer from a lack of quality photos and are forced to use general AP photos and the like.)

Naturally, MI6 would have to report on the ad and allow members their opinions. But, as it happened, many members, including some previously disposed to Craig as Bond, were upset and infuriated by the ad, with Babs getting a lot of flack for it. The intensity of these attacks increased as the thread continued. The outright removal of the thread would have been too obvious at that point, so the locking of it down because of "spam" posts was the answer.

Can't prove this, of course. But something about locking that thread down so early is very... fishy.

[Mazer Rackham]

Sony Taking Over MGM's Foreign Theatrical Distribution From Fox? http://dlvr.it/Jt1pn

EXCLUSIVE: But the good news for Fox is that MGM is looking to let Fox keep distributing all of MGM's library on home video because the studio has done such a good job since 2006, especially with the James Bond franchise. On the other hand, Fox appears resigned to the near-reality that Sony's distribution deal with MGM will include international theatrical distribution which Fox used to handle. Expect a decision on all of this within the next weeks.

AND of course Nikki Finke is always the first one to report and the only one who always knows what's going on...

I knew the deal wasn't done yet, this FOX aspect is puzzling. Although Sony did screw them over last time they were handling home video releases. Still it is a weird mix apparently films Sony co-finances will be distributed on Home Video by Sony and those MGM finance will be by FOX. TV rights for different countries are being negotiated as well. FOX current contract expires this fall. Thinking about it MGM owes FOX a huge chunk of change for handling their home video release, somewhere north of 60m maybe this is part of trade off.

I had hopes FOX would be gone they are rubbish releasing Blu-rays.

[katied]

Shaken Not Stirred, I feel the exact same way about Charlie Sheen. I notice the FX channel is making a big deal abut the fact they're showing Two And A Half Men now..and the ads have Charlie, Jon Cryer, and the kid in them. They have to have been done before all of the she(e)nanigans started.That's what makes it so interesting to watch!

[James]

MI6 reunion here today!

Yes, indeed! LOL.

Let me fill out my suspicions on the locking of that thread at MI6....

The thread reached page 30. Check page 29 and you still have "non-spam" discussions on the ad, including a new member coming in to state his "piece." Luds came in on page 30 and seemed to have locked the thread down, after a couple of posts that followed his. I should have been taking screen captures, but I'm sure that a couple of other "spam" posts on Zardoz made it through after Luds locked the thread. Silly posts about--Zardoz. Which would show that the thread was going nowhere.

However, there was still much more to say about the topic at hand--especially by members who hadn't yet logged onto MI6 or NEW members who had joined, or would join, to state their opinion. And, believe me, inbetween Bond films, Bond boards tend to get quiet, if not nearly dead. So this was a golden opportunity to gather in new members and stimulate the old ones into a discussion. But, no, thread locked.

Now, why would MI6 be concerned over what Eon thinks? I don't know the persons behind MI6, but is it true that MI6 brings out a Bond magazine fairly regularly? If so, then there's your answer as to why MI6 would not want to piss off Babs and Company too much. A Bond magazine, as well produced as that one, needs access to deluxe exclusive photos and information that only Eon can provide. In the good old days, Cubby used to keep a tight rein on official photographic matter. (That's why unofficial Bond film books suffer from a lack of quality photos and are forced to use general AP photos and the like.)

Naturally, MI6 would have to report on the ad and allow members their opinions. But, as it happened, many members, including some previously disposed to Craig as Bond, were upset and infuriated by the ad, with Babs getting a lot of flack for it. The intensity of these attacks increased as the thread continued. The outright removal of the thread would have been too obvious at that point, so the locking of it down because of "spam" posts was the answer.

Can't prove this, of course. But something about locking that thread down so early is very... fishy.

I take back everything I said the other night about about Cbn being far worse than MI6. At least Cbn left their thread about this open.

[bjmdds]

But CB.net refuses to post my responses James, so which is worse? They are kindred sites with Eon influence. One locks popular threads against Eon, the other refuses to post responses if they deem them inappropriate to Eon's good. Charles Vine is correct and MI6 is nothing but an Eon shill site and that guy LUDS must be on their payroll, 'no bout a doubt it'.

[bjmdds]

]To the contrary, this place is BETTER THAN IT EVER WAS with the current membership, so those who left, probably never belonged here in the first place.

Given trolls like Katied, I wouldn't agree. If she was pro-Craig she would have been banned long ago, PERMANENTLY. Let's not forget good folks such as Skywalker who is hardly active these days.

Let's settle this once and for all Stocks. I went on MI6 this week and you responded to my posts in your usual manner, correct? Then your banned moderator from here, Benny=Nash, put a post up calling me an "idiot". I can tell you point blank,and humbly, that guy is not in my "galaxy" when it comes to educational background. I responded to him, in kind, and he did not post a response to my retort back. You come back here and no one bothers you. You are welcomed with open arms, yet your hostile obsession with Katied continues to puzzle all here. Why don't you just stick to the topics of the day? Skywalker is quite busy now in his personal life or he would post more often as he enjoys it here. There is NO rift here. I cannot say the same thing at MI6. Your forum once again distinguished itself by locking another thread that made your hero look bad. Censorship does not equate to an open forum. So either enjoy posting here, or leave, that's your choice, as it should be, but STOP attacking other people here for their views. I know it's common to do so at your home base, but don't do it here. This is NOT the place it was when you left here. The new people here are excellent contributors with inside tracks on the ongoings behind the scenes and they have greatly added to the richness here.

I missed this post, so here's my response.

That Nash's issue, not MI6 as a whole since he was the only bloke that responded to you with hostility. Plus MI6 has lately shown more skepticism regarding Craig than it has since the announcement of his casting, especially since the release of the ad. You've been away from MI6 too long.

And most important of all, I am not attacking Katied because of her views. Stop taking things out of context. I know your fond of her because to you all ant-Craigs are on your good list regardless. I have problems with her because of her character and the way she goes about in the forum. I have NO ISSUES at all for anyone who does not like Craig.

Besides I spoke with her and we put eachother on ignore. That should settle it if it makes all of you happy.

MI6 NOW has shown skepticism Makeshift? Why did it take so long to know what was out there from day one? It takes seeing Eon put James Bond in drag being ridiculed by M to realize the direction they were headed in? After seeing Quantum Of Sole-less, it wasn't evident? In addition, Benny=Nash is a moderator, correct? A website allows a moderator to call posters IDIOTS? What does that tell you Makeshift about the very site you reside in most of your internet time on Bond forums. If any moderator here called anyone an IDIOT, they would be stripped of that title, but since Broccoli approves of it, it's allowed to continue. It's all about to unravel now for Eon and times are about to change with the franchise's direction.

[Bond77]

Exactly, and I don't understand Stocks' actions. He gets upset with Moneypenny, pouts about this not being an "open forum", and leaves. Then he comes back only to disparage katiedpenny some more. Erratic behavior coming from Stocks.

You're right, you don't understand. My remark about packing my bags was sarcasm, which is a reaction to Katied's post about how I won't be welcomed because I like Craig.

I'm not being erratic, I have very good reasons for not being so fond of Katied since she joined this site years ago. I find her to be the least sincere of this site. She's more of a dishonest contrarian than a humble anti-Craig. Hardly adds anything substantial to the site, most of her posts coming off as empty "I agree" or at worst just hyperbolic rants just so she can boost her post count.

You want to stick to her side simply because she's a fellow DCINBer? Fine. But don't act so baffled when members grow tired of her redundant posts.

I still don't understand where you are coming from. Why does a person need to have a personal contention towards someone in a James Bond forum? Whether it be your contention towards katiedpenny, or Nash's personal attacks towards bjmdds? If you equate asking this question to me wanting "to stick to her side simply because she's a fellow DCINBer", then I don't know where to go from there. By I will try my best to respond:

Yes, katied posts a lot. So what? I just take it as someone who likes to post a lot, not someone trying to boost her statistics. What would she gain doing that? Is DCinB like the National Basketball Association where players are awarded with an MVP trophy and new car for having the best stats?

Besides she's got over 5700 posts! Her record of over 5700 post is as insurmountable as Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game. I don't think she is posting just to maintain the unofficial title as "Most Prolific Poster". I don't know her, but my guess is that she just likes to write in forums.

Finally, I don't know for sure if katied (or anyone else on this site) is really against the Craig era, or just playing Devil's advocate. Who cares? Why does someone need to be labled a "humble anti-Craig". When I joined DCinB I did not do so with the expectation that I was embarking on some exercise of humility. Did anyone else?

[Bond77]

Correct Bond "77". Was 1977 the first Bond film you saw by the way? MI6 and Cb.net are corrupt website enterprises, to say the least.

Hi bjmdds. The first Bond film I saw in the theater was Goldeneye. My forum name comes from the song Marvin Hamlisch composed for the opening sequence in The Spy Who Loved Me. It is a disco rendition of Monty Norman's "James Bond Theme", and probably disliked by many, but I must admit that I enjoy it.

[Craig007]

Is this forum for those who dislike the Craig Bonds only?

[Kristatos]

Is this forum for those who dislike the Craig Bonds only?

That's our main focus, yes. At the time this forum was set up, the gamut of opinion on the main Bond forums ran from "Craig is the best Bond since Connery" to "Craig is even better than Connery", and anyone who held a different opinion was shouted down. This place was set up to give those who disliked Craig and the rebooted series a place where dissenting opinions could be expressed freely. However, we do have some pro-Craig posters on here. Provided they don't come here like missionaries to the heathen, trying to convert people to the pro-Craig point of view, their input is welcome.

[Alessandra]

Sony Taking Over MGM's Foreign Theatrical Distribution From Fox? http://dlvr.it/Jt1pn

EXCLUSIVE: But the good news for Fox is that MGM is looking to let Fox keep distributing all of MGM's library on home video because the studio has done such a good job since 2006, especially with the James Bond franchise. On the other hand, Fox appears resigned to the near-reality that Sony's distribution deal with MGM will include international theatrical distribution which Fox used to handle. Expect a decision on all of this within the next weeks.

AND of course Nikki Finke is always the first one to report and the only one who always knows what's going on...

I knew the deal wasn't done yet, this FOX aspect is puzzling. Although Sony did screw them over last time they were handling home video releases. Still it is a weird mix apparently films Sony co-finances will be distributed on Home Video by Sony and those MGM finance will be by FOX. TV rights for different countries are being negotiated as well. FOX current contract expires this fall. Thinking about it MGM owes FOX a huge chunk of change for handling their home video release, somewhere north of 60m maybe this is part of trade off.

I had hopes FOX would be gone they are rubbish releasing Blu-rays.

Of COURSE. There is the whole deal explained. MGM owes Fox a huge load of money. Fox has rights to distribute MGM movies internationally, but MGM is desperate to get financing because they need to have cash flow (their words, not mine, in quotes in the previous Finke article where she explained what MGM was up to with distributors and how pissed the other studios were about it). So obviously, since Fox not only won't give them money but is to receive lots of money from them, the distribution agreement has to be put up for grabs. But not all of it, since MGM CANNOT cut Fox off or the debts to pay will be insurmountable.

So next chapter: Paramount is about to close the deal for distributing Bond but MGM, desperate for cash, baits all the studios with this "You've got to co-finance other projects if you want to distribute Bond" idea. Which is basically extortion, and everyone gets pissed off. Enter Sony, who has screwed MGM and most of all EON over badly last time around, and who knows that it can finally win its war against Babs and get Bond in one clean swoop (again, for those who think Babs is actually friends with Amy, think again). MGM/EON situation is extremely tense and a lot of people at MGM don't want Babs around, so let's give Sony distribution of the Bond movie, and they'll co-finance other projects, and help us finally outnumber Babs on decisions (and maybe make a profit with Bond again, since we can't afford to book another loss with a Bond movie AT ALL, we're bankrupt) but Fox will retain the home video part because there's no way we can pay them all that money. And we thought it was messy... it's basically a hornet's nest This is, by the way, all based on facts reported by Finke and other things we know from people directly involved, so it's not like I'm elaborating something out of the blue. Most of this was already reported, I am just putting the pieces together thanks to Mazer's brilliant point about MGM owing Fox lots of money (north of $60 mln as Mazer said). And by lots of money we mean even more than the QoS loss was. All kidding aside, this really is a bloody mess. And I'm afraid it shows how far from good the situation for MGM is.

[Alessandra]

Regarding the other posts about MI6: I have never posted at MI6 and I never will. I have zero interest in posting in such a place, or reading what the party line is, and I say this by having read more than enough back in the day. I have absolutely no idea what has been said over there now, other than some posts that have been quoted and the fact everyone said people were VERY angry at the drag ad.

So what I'm about to say is the opinion of someone who is absolutely foreign to the whole spat and who frankly couldn't care less: let's cut the crap, please. MI6 is a pro-Craig site, if they close a thread that is OBVIOUSLY against Craig so early it's for one reason only, and it is exactly because it is critical of Craig. There's no but about this, as years of policies applied by that site have proven time and time again how Craig criticism isn't tolerated. This time around it was so widespread that they HAD to make it last a lot more, or a lot of people would have been pissed, but still as soon as they could, they took care of it. Not only I am not surprised about it, I completely expect it.

As Charles Vine said, deleting the thread would have made them look BEYOND bad. They look bad anyway for locking it now, but hey that's the way they are, no surprises. And they can still use the excuse "but it's only locked, it's still there". Too bad nobody can post in it if it's locked. Craig critics have been put some scotch tape on the mouth and everything's fine, no risks to upset EON too much. Why would anyone be surprised? And I think Charles Vine has his reasons if he says it's curious and it's not the same way other things have been handled, since from what I understand he's a long-time poster there?

On CommanderPravda.net (the brilliant nickname Bond77 gave), I HAVE posted for quite some time and the methods are different: blatantly anti-Craig threads are closed as soon as somewhat of an excuse can be found, but a thread about an ad EON made won't be closed, if only for the fact it's publicity for EON. They are more subtle: they just make anyone who posts against Craig feel completely unwelcome, then personal attacks start, then the mods do what they did with BJ: directly shut people down by having to "approve" their posts before they appear (which is... not just pathetic, it is beyond laughable.) So I think James is right in saying CBn isn't worse than MI6 after all (while both IMO are not even remotely decent). So the thread is there, and they manage to make it appear as if people are HAPPY about it! See the miracle workers?

CBn is run by people who in part work for EON, so obviously... hello EON? Some more PATHETIC showing there, yes? Since the rest of the internet has clearly expressed its opinion and it's definitely NOT in favor of said video, you are looking even more desperate and pathetic for applying this sort of Pravda method to a forum, which is supposed to be a place where people FREELY express their opinion. And not a place where a bunch of fanboys who have drunk the kool-aid go on and on about "OMG CRAIG IS THE NEXT BEST THING AFTER HOT WATER!".

That's all I have to say on the matter, PLUS, if anyone wants to be disrespectful and get personal with someone else, just DO NOT do it here. It's not the place for that. It is unpleasant to have to read posts with insults or anyway digs directed at other members, and it is rude and inappropriate to post that stuff. As long as we talk about forums in general, fine, but when the topic becomes this or the other person and going back and forth about this or the other person here, or what this or the other poster thinks, attacking them personally, it is NOT fine anymore. And this applies to everyone who posts, obviously. I don't think the topic here is posters anyway.

[bjmdds]

I agree Pammy. No more tolerance of attacking another poster personally. Just stick to the topics, say whatever you want to on the SUBJECT being discussed, but do NOT dare smear or degrade ANY poster here. The leniency went on far too long. This forum has reached a turning point and is better than ever so any attempt to disrupt the calm flow of ideas should no longer be tolerated. Either enjoy the people you post with, or feel free to leave. It's that simple.