The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Bond77]

P.S. Welcome Charles Vine and Bond's ghost?!

[katied]

So it's not just us and The Place That Can't Be Named that hate it, then.


Note to the people involved in International Woman's Day: You should not have let Babs Broccoli come anywhere near you and your cause.. They screwed things up.Horribly.

[Alessandra]

I now count myself officially as a "Craig is NOT Bond" member. This latest travesty is a no-turning back point in the destruction of James Bond. I don't know what the TOS is here, but I would use strong language to state what I think of the current stewards of the fictional character--who was once known as James Bond.

I'm sure you'll find more than one fitting definition on here about what we think they're doing to Bond No need to get vulgar like Daniel Craig, but sarcasm and strong words are surely in order

Welcome, by the way!

The thing with this, is that they used JAMES BOND to do so, and not just Daniel Craig. Pretty sure Babs has no permission to do whatever she pleases, so there may be consequences. What is worrying is that while they may have had a chance to REINFORCE the character of James Bond AND send out a positive message for women's rights, they transformed this into a ridiculous and inappropriate comic show. All while trashing the Bond character in the process, of course. But, we have to bear in mind Bond has not existed ever since CR took place (well, as far as I'm concerned). So this is just more of the same. As long as Craig and Babs are there (and as we know this should hopefully end with Bond 23) there's no James Bond. So up until when Henry Cavill (or someone like him) takes over the role, there's no way to fix this.

I by no means am one of those who by principle hate on everything Craig does, he's just an actor and he may be great in other roles. But I won't stand for either him as non-Bond (since that's not James Bond he's playing) and least of all for Babs's absurd and pathetic ideas. I don't think she did a favor to any women with this show: I think she ridiculed BOTH women and Bond. Judi Dench was the one carrying the message, and there was NO need for the Craigster in drag WHATSOEVER. I already explained how this should have been handled. They missed a great opportunity at good publicity for Bond, turning it into a mockery. So double shame. For crapping on the Bond character and for ridiculing the whole good idea behind this by having that drag number.

What do you mean Katie, did you see articles around (rightly) trashing this ridiculous stunt?

[katied]

According to Bond 77's post there have been a few posts about it online. May have to Google 'em to see what people are saying.

[Alessandra]

OH DUH! I had missed an entire page of posts! Got it now Katie, thanks

Nailed it on the money FBF. The not-so-divine Ms. B is the problem. Without her, Cr-egg never was. Get rid of her, and we get Jackman/Cavill.

That is exactly it. Problem is her, and her ignorance and incompetence. The funniest thing is she thinks she is so smarter than the rest and that she is, how can I say, at a higher cultural level. Got news for you Babs... we're way ahead of you. And sooner or later you're gonna pay the price. I would also like to underline how the woman is anything BUT an example for women's emancipation. If women's emancipation is casting someone based on a crush well then I'd rather give it up, since it would be behaving like the worst of men. No, thanks.

I am absolutely favorable to essai movies (artsy movies) but they don't have ANYTHING to do with Bond and should never be anywhere near Bond. Bond is supposed to be a smart, stylish, classy, witty, good action flick. And the first four adjectives are what separate Bond from the RANDOM thousands of action movies there are out there.

I also disagree that Bond is an insult to women and I have made this point elsewhere already: if anything, the Bond movies have always been the OPPOSITE of machism.. the girls who sleep with him are all VERY willing and they make a very conscious choice, and often they pursue him before he pursues them. And ever since the very first movies there has been an array of VERY competent, smart and STRONG women. Women in Bond movies are all but stupid and incapable, and if they are sexual objects, well Bond is JUST AS MUCH of a sexual object for them. I don't think that's the case, it's always consenting adults choosing to have a romance OR just sex. I really find women in Bond movies empowered and much stronger than most women in other movies, and especially in the average action flick.

[shaken not stirred]

James bond in drag, bad idea.com

http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/james-b ... ible-idea/

A funny comment on another site

He's a rubbish James Bond. He could try being the bond girl.

A few sites call him bond, jane bond .

[Alessandra]

BJ: CBn immediately tries to eliminate those who oppose Craig. As I explained, I have made that experience myself quite a few years ago. I was never banned simply because I NEVER gave them a chance to do it but I was bullied by mods and admins with PMs. When they saw there was no way to defeat either me or some of my other friends because when we opened threads they were successful, they knew they had no way other than filling the place with just and only Craig lovers. I stopped posting because they obviously created the atmosphere necessary to alienate anyone who opposes Craig. As I said, I posted a while ago about Cavill and I was VERY surprised to see many people agree with me (and it looked like those were people who normally are in the minority there, BUT there were a few of the majority ones, too). So I think there must be some... Babs opposition filtering messages at least when it comes to Cavill (which is interesting).

But other than that, anyone who says anything that goes against Craig and the current direction is eliminated immediately. It truly is a joke. And the best thing is they behave as if people didn't know that a few of the people in charge there work for EON on Bond movies? That is the best part. WE KNOW, and MANY people know. That site is nothing more than a Pravda (:lol: excellent wordplay, I just read in the previous page ) for EON. And since there are quite a few who read us here, please take note. Yes, we know. And we're not the only ones.

Peculiar how CBn is left alone defending this ridiculous stunt for women's day. Or really not, just open proof they're an EON shill site. Even the other shill site had more decency about this and was against it. That's because the other is merely a second site, and not their main means.. plus populated with young people who can drift from one extreme to another much more easily. But still. I had a look around... amusing to see how they got trashed for this stunt. Which is what they deserved, since it really was nothing more than a stunt.

[Alessandra]

James bond in drag, bad idea.com

http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/james-b ... ible-idea/

A funny comment on another site

He's a rubbish James Bond. He could try being the bond girl.

A few sites call him bond, jane bond .

This is not just "another site". This is deadline.com, it is the GO-TO place for Hollywood news for anyone in the industry... it's the most important and influential internet news site for Hollywood. And it became the reference point to everyone in Hollywood when the writers' strike took place. Only Nikki Finke always knew the truth. The fact they are slamming it down is very interesting. And it will be a big blow for Babs's ego. It's interesting to note how they are the ones breaking the actual news about Bond 23 and what MGM is up to as well (they were the ones unveiling MGM's moves with the distributors in order to obtain a deal for example). I'm really starting to think things will change more quickly than Babs expects. About d**n time. It won't be soon enough when we get rid of her. And Cavill becomes Bond.

I got extremely irritated reading certain comments on that story. So I posted a reply myself at the end.

[katied]

BJ: CBn immediately tries to eliminate those who oppose Craig. As I explained, I have made that experience myself quite a few years ago. I was never banned simply because I NEVER gave them a chance to do it but I was bullied by mods and admins with PMs. When they saw there was no way to defeat either me or some of my other friends because when we opened threads they were successful, they knew they had no way other than filling the place with just and only Craig lovers. I stopped posting because they obviously created the atmosphere necessary to alienate anyone who opposes Craig. As I said, I posted a while ago about Cavill and I was VERY surprised to see many people agree with me (and it looked like those were people who normally are in the minority there, BUT there were a few of the majority ones, too). So I think there must be some... Babs opposition filtering messages at least when it comes to Cavill (which is interesting).

But other than that, anyone who says anything that goes against Craig and the current direction is eliminated immediately. It truly is a joke. And the best thing is they behave as if people didn't know that a few of the people in charge there work for EON on Bond movies? That is the best part. WE KNOW, and MANY people know. That site is nothing more than a Pravda (:lol: excellent wordplay, I just read in the previous page ) for EON. And since there are quite a few who read us here, please take note. Yes, we know. And we're not the only ones.

Peculiar how CBn is left alone defending this ridiculous stunt for women's day. Or really not, just open proof they're an EON shill site. Even the other shill site had more decency about this and was against it. That's because the other is merely a second site, and not their main means.. plus populated with young people who can drift from one extreme to another much more easily. But still. I had a look around... amusing to see how they got trashed for this stunt. Which is what they deserved, since it really was nothing more than a stunt.

As I've said before, I was called on the carpet here when I suggested that Commander Bond and The Place That Can't Be Named are shill sites. This thing with Daniel Craig proves the lengths they will go to to make Daniel Craig look bad-and ato shut down anyone who says different.


There are a lot of people lurking-especially the last few days. I don't have a problem with that; if they go back to Commander Bond and misrepresent what we said, or sign up for this board to harass us, then yes, I have a problem with it.

[Alessandra]

I don't think CBN people read here, when I said others read I meant press. I have no problem making the PMs I received from mods back then public though, should anyone even try to slightly twist what I said or deny it. And I saved all of them back in the day, so it's not like it would be a problem. I don't have anything against CBn per se, as in, everyone should be free to have their own opinion. They're free to have theirs. I DO have a problem when they try to make THIS site look like it's a bad one or made up by bad people. When truth is, and we all know, they're the ones who are a shill shite for EON whereas instead we are people who think freely and simply don't happen to like either the current direction OR (least of all) for anyone to tell us what we should or should not say or think.

Everyone is free to think whatever they please, and as I've said before, I have quite a few friends who are Craig supporters and they're very nice, pleasant people. I don't have a problem with the opinion per se at all, I have a problem with those who make it look like people are heretics if they disapprove of Craig when he plays non-Bond. And with those who claim Craig is the closest thing to Fleming's Bond that ever existed, and say those who disagree didn't read the books or don't know what they're talking about I should laugh I know but it still shocks me and YES there are those people around, and CBn surely hosts quite a few of them. That is what I have a problem with. And of course the complete and total censorship existing on CBn. Which is why I stopped posting and moved on to a much more intelligent and tolerant site, AJB. I've had my fair share of discussions there too but there's NO comparison with CBn. People there are civilized in many cases (I've bumped into a few uncivil ones but those are everywhere) and CAN put up a smart conversation. There is a big number of Craig lovers who defend anything he does there too, but those who disagree are free to do so. And I've made quite a few friends amongst Craig lovers there. Nice, smart people. We may disagree on Craig, but we do agree on Cavill, for example What I mean is, I don't have a problem with those who like Craig per se AT ALL, I have a problem with the attitude and management of CBn and sites like that (like the other site who's full of teens), and I have a big problem with FANBOYS. Which CBn and the other site are filled with. Point is, they're free to think whatever they want. As long as they don't even think about calling people here the bad guys (laughable to say the least given who manages CBn). And I will always fiercely oppose the censorship and the fact they're just a marketing means for Eon and not an actual free online community.

[bjmdds]

BJ: CBn immediately tries to eliminate those who oppose Craig. As I explained, I have made that experience myself quite a few years ago. I was never banned simply because I NEVER gave them a chance to do it but I was bullied by mods and admins with PMs. When they saw there was no way to defeat either me or some of my other friends because when we opened threads they were successful, they knew they had no way other than filling the place with just and only Craig lovers. I stopped posting because they obviously created the atmosphere necessary to alienate anyone who opposes Craig. As I said, I posted a while ago about Cavill and I was VERY surprised to see many people agree with me (and it looked like those were people who normally are in the minority there, BUT there were a few of the majority ones, too). So I think there must be some... Babs opposition filtering messages at least when it comes to Cavill (which is interesting).

But other than that, anyone who says anything that goes against Craig and the current direction is eliminated immediately. It truly is a joke. And the best thing is they behave as if people didn't know that a few of the people in charge there work for EON on Bond movies? That is the best part. WE KNOW, and MANY people know. That site is nothing more than a Pravda (:lol: excellent wordplay, I just read in the previous page ) for EON. And since there are quite a few who read us here, please take note. Yes, we know. And we're not the only ones.

Peculiar how CBn is left alone defending this ridiculous stunt for women's day. Or really not, just open proof they're an EON shill site. Even the other shill site had more decency about this and was against it. That's because the other is merely a second site, and not their main means.. plus populated with young people who can drift from one extreme to another much more easily. But still. I had a look around... amusing to see how they got trashed for this stunt. Which is what they deserved, since it really was nothing more than a stunt.

As I've said before, I was called on the carpet here when I suggested that Commander Bond and The Place That Can't Be Named are shill sites. This thing with Daniel Craig proves the lengths they will go to to make Daniel Craig look bad-and ato shut down anyone who says different.


There are a lot of people lurking-especially the last few days. I don't have a problem with that; if they go back to Commander Bond and misrepresent what we said, or sign up for this board to harass us, then yes, I have a problem with it.

Bottom line, we have been proven correct all along about everything since Brocolli chose Cr-egg. Vindication for us and now worldwide condemnation of Eon. By the way, what the hell was Dench thinking by doing this infomercial for Danielle Cr-egg as Bond?

[katied]

I just really have a problem with people(and I'm sorry, but he's the perfect example) like Captain Nash coming along telling us how we should think, how he *have* to like Daniel Craig because he's going to be Bond for a few years.(Actually, we don't. It's a free country!)

Thank god he was banned.I'm sure he'd have some interesting posts about what's going on!

[bjmdds]

Quit saying Jackman and this other guy u keep mentioning is going to be up for the next bond. Save that stuff for for which Bond 7 actor you want thread. You keep saying that those two are going to be one of the next bond when very clearly Daniel craig is still bond and isn't going anytime soon. Just because you don't like the video doesn't mean he is automatically not bond anymore so quit acting like that is the case. if you really don't like daniel craig as bond then get the hell of this website and go to Craignotbond.com bull crap site and join it cause me and everyone else is getting tired of you constently complaining how bad he is. yeah we know its your opinion, but to keep saying that he IS done as bond is a lie and crosses the line of opinion to flat out bullying by lie.
{This is the intelligent response from CommanderBond.net to my 3 posts there. They certainly have a lot of intelligent children there. This moron could not shine the shoes of anyone here and to think this internet vermin is who Eon has teamed with to promote their disgrace only proves our theory that they are a lost cause.}

[Alessandra]

I missed intelligent responses like the above one. It really speaks volumes for the average level of those sites. LOL I realised long ago it was absolutely not worth posting there since they set it up so that only Craig lovers would feel welcome and would be able to talk, not surprised you came to the same conclusion BJ.

Bottom line, we have been proven correct all along about everything since Brocolli chose Cr-egg. Vindication for us and now worldwide condemnation of Eon. By the way, what the hell was Dench thinking by doing this infomercial for Danielle Cr-egg as Bond?

I think this is what bothers them the most. The fact that every single thing we said from the start is coming true, and in its worst possible shape. And they have no escape because it's there for everyone to see. After the disaster they made with QoS (and CR, since that sucked as well), we got to see Bond in drag. I don't think anyone went as far as to say they'd have Bond in drag, yet we got it. This is just one of the many steps taken by Babs in the direction of destroying Bond. Un-freaking believable. Had they played it "Some Like It Hot"-style it may even have been funny, but how they chose to deliver it and more than that, how they chose something like that to deliver a message on equality for men and women is just

Dench was ok with it because of the message she was delivering I think- too bad she didn't realise she just looked as bad as any man who bullies women and discriminates them. And that the whole drag thing made the entire video superficial and ridiculous instead of interesting.

[katied]

That Commander Bond poster does not know the meaning of syntax.

[shaken not stirred]

So cbn hates us because we have differing views and hate the current bond..stuff em it's a free world and I'm not gonna be put with the other sheep if I hate something I'm gonna let people know, if that stupid sites gonna get its knickers in a twist because shock some people don't like this bond and ban people for that reason alone that's bloody sad.

If you say the x factor is crap along with reality tv and a waste of time your told you have no life, if jeremy clarkson takes the piss out of people with special needs when comparing them to a car you say something back on his facebook site and people say no one gives a beep and laugh at you because you're offended because you've got special needs and love to punch that pratt in the face for that (I was a fan of top gear till he said that).

Back on topic, what is cbn run by 13 year olds?, you're banned for hating craigs bond, having a different opinion, the only reason you should get banned from a site is if you cause trouble, personally attacking other members or spamming not speaking your bloody opinion, if anyone from cbns reading this don't misword what I said and grow the hell up because that's not the way to run sites, i don't like some peoples opinion but you know what I wont ban them for it, that's what a bloody kid would do, grow some balls cbn ( you know something real bond fans have ) and don't wah on the way out.

Cbn: cry baby network not commander bond net.

I've been on that site and read the replies to those posts, what a bunch of saddos, whether you like a character or not people should agree to disagree not rip you apart for it .

[Thunderpussy]

Some great post here, And it's great to have a site that gives you all the facts others would try and hide. The ad may of been well meaning but it hurts the franchise, I didn't think Much of Craig as Bond before and even less of him now.
As for Cbn, I'v visited, but there seem to be too many Craig Fanatics there I knew at once I'd be made Very UN-welcome. At least here you can have a discussion and hopfully a friendly argument, I tend to agree with a lot of the posters so I don't post alot myself, Others can do it so much better than I. But it's always a great Read.

[shaken not stirred]

Woah some posters at m16 want babs, purvis and wade out of bond now and see it's artsty direction for what it is

Posted: 09 March 2011 03:58 AM Post subject:

One opinion of Khan's I'm 100% identical with him on without question is that I want Babs gone. Enough already, and it's just gonna get worse. Bond is a secret agent who should be going out on missions and doing his job, being trusted to do that job without constant in-house agenda-thumping distraction, and he should be portrayed as a realistically responsible fortysomething adult male in a position of great responsibility as opposed to an errant schoolboy who's fast becoming the Headmistress's prize biatch and whipping boy for the agendas of high-powered female co-workers.

And smack Purvis, Wade and Arnold with the door on your way out. Bond's suffered enough under this artistically ineffective, amateur and often plain redundant reign.

Babs probably had a handbag and a pair of twenty grand shoes made out of him for Dame Judi.

Good old Albert. Never has he been more missed.

Now that I think about it, that little ad pretty much continues the trend harnessed in Craig's Bond trailers - i.e. 007 stares glumly at the screen as Judi Dench's voice over dresses him down for being a very naughty boy. It really is becoming an unwanted meme.

Am 100% with Lazenby. Seriously, and I am sorry for repeating, if this is the direction they are going, they'd better remove "Ian Fleming's James Bond" credit, and replace it with "Barbara Brocolli's James Bond", at least we have the satisfaction of knowing that nobody's p***ing on Fleming's creation

The ad is an embarrassment to the Bond legacy but Babs the feminist hi-jacked the series way back when with GE anyway. She whipped Brozzer but he at least tried to play James Bond and make the best of it.
But Craig is her dream James Bond. Hand picked by Babs. Craig doesn't need whipping. He comes pre-whipped. He's the ultimate pc Bond. He's eagerly embraced the feminization and emasculation of Bond. Its obvious in both his films. He's the anti-Bond. He's the anti-Connery. He's the anti-Moore.
He's the worst case Bond. He is the ultimate feminized Bond. He doesn't even look like Bond but from Babs pov, who cares. He fits her pc image of Bond perfectly. That's more important.
The series is in the dumper and won't be rescued until Babs and her stooge Craig have moved on.
The Babs/Craig era is in full bloom. If fact it might be best for the series if the next film bombs at the box office. That will get rid of Craig, but not necessarily Babs. She might just carry on for another film with a new actor. Maybe the series has to die and be resurrected down the road by someone else.
Where's Kevin McClory when you need him? If he was still alive maybe he could sue Eon out of existence and make a bunch of Bond vs Spectre films and fight Eon over rights to the cat.

Add my name to the growing list that will boycott the next Bond film and all things Eon if both the feminization of the character and the leftist slant of the last film continues.

[shaken not stirred]

Few more

Bond is being slowly stripped of his masculinity by the current producers and actors. Objectified, humiliated, lectured, and eventually killed. Fleming is no more.

and a really important one

The bottom line is this ad will rear it's ugly head big time, through the media or feminist associations, whenever a future Bond film will feature a sexual innuendo directed at a woman, or any machist comment/action. You cannot deny this ad means a lot to the future of the franchise. As James Bond is now part of the pro-gender equalities mantra, there's going to be a witch hunt of any anti-feminist elements in B23, B24 and further. This ad is also the justification to do alternate release of past Bond films 1962-2002. EON is now slowly, but surely, heading to make alternate versions of past Bond films. The Dink slap in GF will surely go in the next 'ultimate HD' Blu Ray release, the Moore slapping in TMWTGG will go, the "Women drivers" line in TSWLM will go... We are very much heading to the end of the franchise. If, god forbid, EON eventually will make alternate pro-feminist versions of past Bond films, I will give up on my Bond fandom and excitement for new releases, and I will not watch any future Bond outings.

You don't seem to realize, but this ad is a major earthquake for the franchise. It forbids any future writer/director to make any suggestion of sexual innuendoes, or machist elements, it means M will always be played by a woman. And it gives proper justification to EON to make alternate versions of the past 20 Bond films, getting rid of any anti-feminist and machist comment.

This is it. Really. The end of the franchise as we know it is upon us. The day EON will make alternate versions of the past films the only available DVD/Blu Ray versions on the market, and we are evidently heading there, well many people here will be utterly disgusted at the franchise.

[bjmdds]

I just really have a problem with people(and I'm sorry, but he's the perfect example) like Captain Nash coming along telling us how we should think, how he *have* to like Daniel Craig because he's going to be Bond for a few years.(Actually, we don't. It's a free country!)

Thank god he was banned.I'm sure he'd have some interesting posts about what's going on!

Since his departure the forum has taken off exponentially in number. Coincidence? Isn't it nice here now MP?