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The Daily Telegraph.

Sam Mendes may have problems directing new James Bond movie
Director could have to battle for his 'vision' if past Bond films are a guide, says Tim Robey.

It's a full year since Sam Mendes was first put in the frame as a potential Bond director, in which time MGM’s financial woes derailed the production schedule, allowing 007’s more possessive fans to forget their immediate beef and prematurely mourn the whole franchise.

Now it’s back on, but they’re still not happy about the (reconfirmed) Mendes appointment. “It’ll be all middlebrow and safe!” seems to be the standard assumption. The Bond they want is gleeful, sly and viscerally over-the-top, qualities it’s fair to say haven’t been much in evidence in Mendes’s movies to date.

Bond, though, is simply not a director’s franchise. Fans on message boards love to rail against the last one, Quantum of Solace, and throw a lot of blame at Marc Forster, the Swiss helmer of Monster’s Ball, Finding Neverland and other literary Oscar-bait, whose face-value credentials for the job were every bit as elusive as those of Mendes.

The argument goes that you need a real action-director’s pair of hands, and that Martin Campbell, who rebooted the series twice with GoldenEye and Casino Royale, is the right type of guy. Directors with artistic pretensions tackle Bond at their peril and everyone else’s.

Because their names carry unexpected pedigree for the task of a mass-market blockbuster, Forster, and now Mendes, become convenient stooges for what’s actually a producer’s logistical nightmare – and responsibility.

It’s about marshalling an army of second unit/assistant directors, stunt co-ordinators and effects technicians. In the Brosnan years, people such as Roger Spottiswoode and Michael Apted may have had the helm, but most of the standout set-pieces were famously masterminded by Vic Armstrong and his team.

Sure, directors of Bond movies have their work cut out to get the actors and story into shape, but they have less autonomy to foist any particular vision of their own on to the screen than in most other franchises this side of Police Academy. You could pick apart the auteur theory on the evidence of editor-turned-director John Glen, who directed the last three Roger Moore instalments, then made the terrific first Timothy Dalton one, The Living Daylights, and then followed it up with surely the nadir of the entire series, Licence To Kill.

This proves my point: who directs a Bond movie has almost nothing to do with how good it is. (A further dent in the just-use-Martin-Campbell argument is available to anyone who’s actually tried to watch GoldenEye lately, Famke Janssen’s ace villainess honourably excepted.)

So imagining that Mendes will somehow attempt to turn Bond into Revolutionary Road II or The Cherry Orchard: Dawn Inferno is a mug’s game. He won’t be allowed.

Whether his instalment is praised or pilloried will be down to the entire creative team, the script, the editing, effects, production design, score, and the harmony of all those elements, as it always is – and, as usual, it'll be mainly the producers', not Mendes's, concern to foster that harmony.

Oh, and the casting. Rumours are abroad that Simon Russell Beale is currently being considered for a role. He’d love to be a baddie. I’d love him to be a baddie. The petition starts here.
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This response by djt to the Mendes story is pretty on target. I think is was Capt. Sir Dominic at the Alt 007 Forum (forgive me if I have the name of the poster wrong) who said the problem isn't that Craig is not Bond rather that Barbra is not Cubby.
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Today 04:41 PM

MENDES? WHY?????

Mendes= Disaster--- as the keepers of the Bondian flame yet again show how little they understand the diamond they were given.
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P.S.

The last "director"--- whom the Broccolis wanted for his "artistic" nature had no sense of action or camera placement and that goes double for Mendes. It's "BOND, JAMES BOND"--- not James Bourne!

For the same bizarro reasoning--- after the gifted, action film knowledgeable Martin Campbell so stunningly rejuvenated the francise with Casino Royale and made them multi- millions and a return to cinema relevance--- the Broccoli heirs continue their misplaced desire to create "art" and chase an Academy Award , rather than do the subject justice and please their loyal albeit built in audience.
To film a "BOND film" without a proven eye for action and adventure is lunacy--- and supreme arrogance. The Broccoli gang insult their father and Harry Saltzman--- whose contribution is sadly often overlooked in that he actually paid to option the Fleming works; and had the decency to make art films separate and apart from Bond with his profits rather than trying to dilute the series with some sense of higher "culture".
Ignore your audience at your peril--- and that goes double for the emerging from bankruptcy MGM!
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Depressing news. Who really wants to see a tired looking Daniel Craig return as James Bond four years after the disastrous Quantum of Solace?

I know some of the more extreme Daniel Craig fans want him to make six more Bonds - and write and direct them too no doubt - but surely a change with a fresh actor would be more successful?
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Gary Seven wrote:Who really wants to see a tired looking Daniel Craig return as James Bond four years after the disastrous Quantum of Solace?
Some PB haters who rather see Seagal as Bond than Pierce himself.
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Blowfeld wrote:This response by djt to the Mendes story is pretty on target. I think is was Capt. Sir Dominic at the Alt 007 Forum (forgive me if I have the name of the poster wrong) who said the problem isn't that Craig is not Bond rather that Barbra is not Cubby.
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MENDES? WHY?????

Mendes= Disaster--- as the keepers of the Bondian flame yet again show how little they understand the diamond they were given.
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P.S.

The last "director"--- whom the Broccolis wanted for his "artistic" nature had no sense of action or camera placement and that goes double for Mendes. It's "BOND, JAMES BOND"--- not James Bourne!

For the same bizarro reasoning--- after the gifted, action film knowledgeable Martin Campbell so stunningly rejuvenated the francise with Casino Royale and made them multi- millions and a return to cinema relevance--- the Broccoli heirs continue their misplaced desire to create "art" and chase an Academy Award , rather than do the subject justice and please their loyal albeit built in audience.
To film a "BOND film" without a proven eye for action and adventure is lunacy--- and supreme arrogance. The Broccoli gang insult their father and Harry Saltzman--- whose contribution is sadly often overlooked in that he actually paid to option the Fleming works; and had the decency to make art films separate and apart from Bond with his profits rather than trying to dilute the series with some sense of higher "culture".
Ignore your audience at your peril--- and that goes double for the emerging from bankruptcy MGM!
Completely spot-on, I agree. Clearly the author of the article is not a Bond fan. :lol: Seriously. While it is undoubtedly true that EVERYONE is at fault when a disaster like QoS is made, how the film is put together and the 2nd unit direction are definitely the directors' choice, so let's please stop to pull our leg, dear colleague from the Daily Telegraph.

Now instead... I just came across DISTURBING news and I literally mean disturbing. But, most of all, VERY worrying since this is to be released in 2012 and if that's the case and it goes up against Bond? It's gonna be a bloodbath. Literally, given this is one of the Twilight kids.
I can scoop that Fox 2000 and New Regency each coughed up an 8-digit paycheck to work with 8-pack-abs Tay-Tay for his two only available time slots this year. Meanwhile, three top producers including Michael Bay and his Platinum Dunes are circling Taylor to star in their movies for 2012 and beyond. That's because of Lautner’s enormous Twi-hard fan base and aggressive promotion of his films, and not because of any solo box office he's done yet. [...]

The 2nd Lautner vehicle is an as–yet-unnamed international spy thriller set up at New Regency described to me as “The Bourne Identity for the next generation.” The story is loosely based on the exploits of Juval Aviv, a former Israeli Mossad agent who was the inspiration for Steven Spielberg’s Academy Award-nominated Munich. Lautner will produce with Alexandra Milchan (who is currently producing The Wolf Of Wall Street with Leonardo DiCaprio), daughter of Israeli mogul Arnon Milchan who is New Regency's founder.
http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/taylor- ... -interest/

This was JUST reported by Nikki Finke. For those who aren't familiar with Twilight, Taylor Lautner is the guy who plays the werewolf. He's been making movies NONSTOP this past year. He is freaking 18 years old and he's the highest paid teenage star. Famous for having an 8-pack rather than a 6-pack :lol: Anyhow that's not the point. This guy is HUGE and I mean at a level of huge most actors will always only dream of. And he's only 18. He's going to be the star of the above-mentioned production and if that goes up against Bond? We will end up in big trouble, I mean it. Twilight is utter crap but it has, as we all know, a ridiculously huge following. And this guy being put in that kind of movie AND with a specific "new Bourne" purpose? Means not only the Twilight fans, but others will go see it too. I find it seriously disturbing that an 18-year-old is put into such a role, but it's what they're doing. On the good side, this of course kills any possibility for stupid Babs & Co. to even THINK about going Bourne again. Not only it's not in fashion anymore, but also someone else is updating it for the new generation (and not coincidentally doing so with a star of vampire movies).
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Some say that he looks more like Vladimir Putin ...on a good day.
And that the director should never ever ever be someone like Sam Mendes.
All we know is...
It's called Bond 23 starring Daniel Craig and directed by Sam Mendes.
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I think the understanding of what a Bond director could and couldn't do changed with Craig. I remember everyone saying they (the directors) had unprecedented authority now. Before there were way complaints from the actors and directors they were not allowed to do anything because Eon kept them on a short leash. I don't see where people (pundits) can say QOS was the worst movie and yet go on talking about the series continuing on the track that made qos assuming the next stop on track will be so much better. It wont.
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I have to agree Dr No,It's open season on Bond.Every Director now will want to put his own stamp,Camera angles, and metaphors in ever Film.It will be a great Trainning exersise for them to try out new Techniques,After all it's Just a Bond Film. So much for looking for Talent in House as they used to do.
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Thunderpussy wrote:I have to agree Dr No,It's open season on Bond.Every Director now will want to put his own stamp,Camera angles, and metaphors in ever Film.It will be a great Trainning exersise for them to try out new Techniques,After all it's Just a Bond Film. So much for looking for Talent in House as they used to do.
Good Lord. Please don't make me think about this :shock: Who was it that said soon we're gonna get a gay villain who is conflicted over whether to kill or not to kill Bond? Because in this scenario that's a likely outcome :shock:

Now seriously. We'll just get another QoS. If it's a tad better we have hopes the franchise will resist decently. If it's not, we may end up in big trouble. Now, positive thoughts. Who's up for a game of darts on Babs's image? :lol:
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Thunderpussy wrote:I have to agree Dr No,It's open season on Bond.Every Director now will want to put his own stamp,Camera angles, and metaphors in ever Film.It will be a great Trainning exersise for them to try out new Techniques,After all it's Just a Bond Film. So much for looking for Talent in House as they used to do.
Good Lord. Please don't make me think about this :shock: Who was it that said soon we're gonna get a gay villain who is conflicted over whether to kill or not to kill Bond? Because in this scenario that's a likely outcome :shock:

Now seriously. We'll just get another QoS. If it's a tad better we have hopes the franchise will resist decently. If it's not, we may end up in big trouble. Now, positive thoughts. Who's up for a game of darts on Babs's image? :lol:
Bond 23 will be just like QOS - a movie like a Steven Seagal straight to video release with a po-face Craig taking it seriously.

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Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:
Ale wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:I have to agree Dr No,It's open season on Bond.Every Director now will want to put his own stamp,Camera angles, and metaphors in ever Film.It will be a great Trainning exersise for them to try out new Techniques,After all it's Just a Bond Film. So much for looking for Talent in House as they used to do.
Good Lord. Please don't make me think about this :shock: Who was it that said soon we're gonna get a gay villain who is conflicted over whether to kill or not to kill Bond? Because in this scenario that's a likely outcome :shock:

Now seriously. We'll just get another QoS. If it's a tad better we have hopes the franchise will resist decently. If it's not, we may end up in big trouble. Now, positive thoughts. Who's up for a game of darts on Babs's image? :lol:
Bond 23 will be just like QOS - a movie like a Steven Seagal straight to video release with a po-face Craig taking it seriously.

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Out For Justice was on the telly just now when I turned it on. :lol:
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Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:
Ale wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:I have to agree Dr No,It's open season on Bond.Every Director now will want to put his own stamp,Camera angles, and metaphors in ever Film.It will be a great Trainning exersise for them to try out new Techniques,After all it's Just a Bond Film. So much for looking for Talent in House as they used to do.
Good Lord. Please don't make me think about this :shock: Who was it that said soon we're gonna get a gay villain who is conflicted over whether to kill or not to kill Bond? Because in this scenario that's a likely outcome :shock:

Now seriously. We'll just get another QoS. If it's a tad better we have hopes the franchise will resist decently. If it's not, we may end up in big trouble. Now, positive thoughts. Who's up for a game of darts on Babs's image? :lol:
Bond 23 will be just like QOS - a movie like a Steven Seagal straight to video release with a po-face Craig taking it seriously.

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FBF that Seagal image is even more disturbing... not only he looks like he's eaten a house, but like he has a birdnest instead of hair. And, decorated leather jacket? :shock: How did this guy sink to SUCH impossible levels of trash? :shock:
Out For Justice was on the telly just now when I turned it on. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: That's your punishment for bringing it up and associating it to Bond in the first place! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Thunderpussy wrote:I have to agree Dr No,It's open season on Bond.Every Director now will want to put his own stamp,Camera angles, and metaphors in ever Film.It will be a great Trainning exersise for them to try out new Techniques,After all it's Just a Bond Film. So much for looking for Talent in House as they used to do.
Good post. This got me thinking.

Campbell was probably the best director the franchise has had in the past 20 years. Forster was a bad, bad choice for Bond. Maybe EON have learned their mistakes from the last film, and have now worked out an effective way of using a more artistic director like Mendes for an action movie like Bond. At least one would hope so anyway..... :^o):
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The Sweeney wrote: Campbell was probably the best director the franchise has had in the past 20 years. Forster was a bad, bad choice for Bond. Maybe EON have learned their mistakes from the last film, and have now worked out an effective way of using a more artistic director like Mendes for an action movie like Bond. At least one would hope so anyway..... :^o):
From their public statements, I can't see any evidence that they've learned anything from QOS. Compare and contrast with the way they fell over themselves to disown DAD before CR came out.
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Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote: Campbell was probably the best director the franchise has had in the past 20 years. Forster was a bad, bad choice for Bond. Maybe EON have learned their mistakes from the last film, and have now worked out an effective way of using a more artistic director like Mendes for an action movie like Bond. At least one would hope so anyway..... :^o):
From their public statements, I can't see any evidence that they've learned anything from QOS. Compare and contrast with the way they fell over themselves to disown DAD before CR came out.
Obviously it's the third most terrible Bond film of them all to the good folks here.
But surely before it's been made, or the trailers have come out. Is it not a little early to write it off?
Mendes doesn't scream Bond director, but he is a competent director, and I believe he can deliver the goods.
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Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote: Campbell was probably the best director the franchise has had in the past 20 years. Forster was a bad, bad choice for Bond. Maybe EON have learned their mistakes from the last film, and have now worked out an effective way of using a more artistic director like Mendes for an action movie like Bond. At least one would hope so anyway..... :^o):
From their public statements, I can't see any evidence that they've learned anything from QOS. Compare and contrast with the way they fell over themselves to disown DAD before CR came out.
They never will, they're too full of themselves, and most of all Barbara would lose her face to the world if she was to publicly admit what a big amount of cr*p QoS was. They learnt absolutely nothing of course.

Captain Nash, the world is full of competent directors each in their own field, but that doesn't mean anything. I know many awesome independent movie directors, incredibly competent. They're certainly not fit to direct an action movie. An action movie requires specific abilities and an outlook that Mendes FOR SURE does not have since he's proven time and time again with his work that he is anything but an action movie director. Which means that at best ( :shock: ) we're getting another QoS. Minus the shaky camera, maybe? Bond movies aren't supposed to be artistic AT ALL. They're supposed to be well-made, stylish, witty entertaining action flicks. And Mendes with his CV certainly isn't the director to fit that bill. The best he can do is make an average action flick, seen as he has zero experience with action movies and zero interest in them or he would have made them as part of his career.
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Shaky cam is(thank god!) starting to become passe. You don't see it nearly as much. Definitely a good thing.
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Captain Nash wrote: But surely before it's been made, or the trailers have come out. Is it not a little early to write it off?
I'm not writing it off altogether, it could be fine, but nothing I've seen so far gives me any reason to hope that it will be any better than QOS. Funnily enough, I was more hopeful about QOS. Craig's comments about how it would be a more traditional Bond film with "a ton more action" meant that I was cautiously optimistic. Then I saw the film. It's actually hard to know what would reassure me at this point (trust, once lost, is hard to regain), but the hiring of another Oscar-winning drama director with no action movie experience, and the news that Craig is back, certainly won't do it.
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