Worst/Daftest Moments of the Craig Era

[Kristatos]

The ending of Casino Royale. A machine gun???

I think it was an assault rifle actually.

[Kristatos]

The problem is, he killed about 500 people at the start of the film and jumped off a crane like Daredevil. Then he's all jittery after fighting some bloke on the stairs?

Actually, that's wouldn't be so unbelievable were it not for the PCS. I've met ex-military people who have served in combat and they all say that killing a person up close and personal is very different to mowing down a line of advancing enemy troops with a machine gun or whatever. But by the end of the PCS, it has already been established that he has made his first two kills and found the second one "considerably" easier.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

The ending of Casino Royale. A machine gun???

I think it was an assault rifle actually.

An assault rifle? I don't believe it!

Welcome to the forum Victor.

[Dr. No]

The problem is, he killed about 500 people at the start of the film and jumped off a crane like Daredevil. Then he's all jittery after fighting some bloke on the stairs?

Actually, that's wouldn't be so unbelievable were it not for the PCS. I've met ex-military people who have served in combat and they all say that killing a person up close and personal is very different to mowing down a line of advancing enemy troops with a machine gun or whatever. But by the end of the PCS, it has already been established that he has made his first two kills and found the second one "considerably" easier.

Thing about special forces is they never look like what you think, in the first wave of solders going to Afghanistan, maybe Iraq the SF guys coming back were still hard wired for combat, several killed there wives in the middle of the night, for no reason they can remember. One of the mother in laws spoke so highly of her son in law it was clear there was no bad blood in that family.

we don't live all the far from the base it happen at and we have a lot of friends in the military so of the wispered talk was that the government had tried somthign new on the SF guys and didn't deprogram them or decompress them properly when they got home, literally they could be home in 48 hours coming right off being on the battle field. Very sad when it happened

But the thing I noticed is the skinny Special Forces guy being led away in hand cuffs , maybe 6ft tall, had 4 deputies burly steroid fueled for the look of them well over 6th tall, wrestler looking, the kind of guy you think would be SF, but they were just deputies. But the most dangerous guy was the small guy in the middle, I know the type very quick and stronger they they appear but they blend in a crowd which is why they do so well in the Special forces. One myth is the SF guy are always clean looking a lot blend in the long hair and sometimes beards

I am retelling the observation about the Special forces to make a point that Craig could have been convincing as a SAS kind of guy, he didn't need to be too tall, but they built him up so he looked like a wrestler which is not what those guys look like and anyway was wrong for Bond to look like. Going by physical look I'd say Jackman would be about right in terms of not looking like he was too build up.. I guess it is maybe because Craig is short and when he bulks up it looks ridiculous.

[Lord Shark]

Disagree that ALL Special Forces soldiers are skinny, which is just as ridiculous saying that all of them are uber-muscular.

Craig's look in CASINO ROYALE is perfectly authentic. I thought he was far too thin and scraggly in QoS. He weighed even less than Brozza in GE.

[Dr. No]

Craig is a smaller man with a smaller frame than Pierce Brosnan. It would be easy for him to weight less, hell next to Gwyneth Paltrow he looks small.

I never said all special forces were smaller guys, I saying a lot of them are, and actually was saying that would play in to Craig being more appropriate as a former SAS or whatever they finally decided. The image most people have of SF guys are as big burly men like Rambo and Schwarzenegger made popular in the 80s and 90s.

Unfortunately for Craig they went with burly and that looked wrong on his small frame. And wrong for guy just coming out of SF.

Here is a picture of one of the guys I was telling you about. It is a sad story and I don't want to make light of it.



these pics are to demonstrate how average looking these guys are. The deputy behind him standing guard is a much bigger man, much more built up. The opposite of what we would usually be it to expected in the public's minds eye. (Cops and doughnuts)

[James]

I thought Craig looked better with his natural build in films like Tomb Raider and Mother than he did in Casino Royale. Maybe, as Dr No suggests, the bodybuilding was to compensate for him being shorter than the other Bond actors but it was the wrong look for Bond. Bond would do some keep fit exercises and be trained to fight but I don't imagine he'd spend 5 hours a day in the gym.

[Kristatos]

New daftest moment of the Craig era: the fanboys desperately trying to persuade themselves that Craig will inevitably be Bond in Bond 23, even if we have to wait another 50 years for it ("After Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, Craig is indispensable to the franchise").

[Captain Nash]

I thought Craig looked better with his natural build in films like Tomb Raider and Mother than he did in Casino Royale. Maybe, as Dr No suggests, the bodybuilding was to compensate for him being shorter than the other Bond actors but it was the wrong look for Bond. Bond would do some keep fit exercises and be trained to fight but I don't imagine he'd spend 5 hours a day in the gym.

And what do you think Bond would've looked like if Hugh Jackman had landed the role in '06 ?
Without being the dark haired and apparently more Bondian to look at by most of the members here, but he'd also come complete with bulging muscles.
I never found Craig to look over the top in the physique department. He's surely fitter than everyone I know, but it never looked ott.
Of course I expect you to disagree, but those are my thoughts on the subject.

[katied]

I think he's going to make a pretty good Mikael Blomkvist. Though I'm still not sure about Fincher filming it in Sweden.Ah well.

[Blowfeld]

I think he's going to make a pretty good Mikael Blomkvist. Though I'm still not sure about Fincher filming it in Sweden.Ah well.

BBC's Wallander is pretty good, thoroughly enjoyable. However I would say their changes to the names (pronunciation) and hyper colour pallets along with use of selective angels for the landscape are detractors.

[katied]

I liked Wallander.Though I have to admit a bias, as I am a fan of Kenneth Branagh's!

[Dr. No]

I thought Craig looked better with his natural build in films like Tomb Raider and Mother than he did in Casino Royale. Maybe, as Dr No suggests, the bodybuilding was to compensate for him being shorter than the other Bond actors but it was the wrong look for Bond. Bond would do some keep fit exercises and be trained to fight but I don't imagine he'd spend 5 hours a day in the gym.

And what do you think Bond would've looked like if Hugh Jackman had landed the role in '06 ?
Without being the dark haired and apparently more Bondian to look at by most of the members here, but he'd also come complete with bulging muscles.
I never found Craig to look over the top in the physique department. He's surely fitter than everyone I know, but it never looked ott.
Of course I expect you to disagree, but those are my thoughts on the subject.

As H.M Murdock would say that's BatS__ Insane. Jackman built to the extreme as he was for Wolverine last year was completely in proportion, Craig has a weird hairless over bulked look. He has a smaller frame it was the wrong kind of work out, a Schwarzenegger work out schedule. Jackman doesn't look like a jock, craig does, that is the difference.

[carl stromberg]

The Swedish Wallander is quite good too - it's on BBC 4.

[katied]

The Swedish Wallander is quite good too - it's on BBC 4.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Swedish Wallander, just to contrast and compare a bit.

[Alessandra]

- Freefall in QoS
- Bond's Donky Kong antics during action sequences
- Bond and Vesper falling in love with saccharine Arnold soundtrack
- Special Branch Agent surviving being thrown off quite a height onto a car boot - WTF?
- Bond's pathetic "stationary" pick up line
- Mathis telling Bond some arch tripe - 'forgive her, forgive yourself!" while dying. And not calling him a ****ing c***t and demanding an ambulance
- Bolivian airstrip guy trading a DC3 for an SUV .
- M turning up on the other side of the world to give her delinquent son a pep talk and beat him with her handbag
- Bond rolling around on Miami tarmac, doing summersaults on top of tankers, and rolling past two trucks at once.
- Knocking out 3 MI6 colleagues in a lift
- Art gallery cirque de soleil crap

Did I miss anything out?

Nope, and I agree with all of those. I bolded those that bothered me the most out of the list.

Now that pick up line thing? Yeah, like Katie I would like for someone to try that one on me. Oh, the fun I would have hitting their toe with my Gucci stilettos...

And the romance with Vesper in CR was SOOO ridiculous it seemed like they got it out of a Jackie Collins novel. First half of the movie he is a random assassin, second half he's a pathetic wimp in love? Yeah, that's totally James Bond.

Oh actually, the "you think I give a d**n'" about the Martini shaken or stirred is missing from the list. That one too bothered me to no end. It was just flat out stupid. Not to mention that's one of Bond's things so it made no sense whatsoever.

[katied]

The Donkey Kong thing makes me LOL..I'm sure someone has come up with a fan vid with that part of the movie and edited video game sound effects in

[The Sweeney]

The worst moment for me in the Craig era is the stupid, OTT freefall, and the fact that he is right as rain after cutting to another scene.

This contradicts everything set out in Craig's first movie, where he passes out after a car crash, and passes out again after getting his balls whacked (more in line with Fleming, it has to be said).

In QoS, we stray shamlessly back into Brosnan territory again once too often. EON seem to forget the new reboot style they set out in CR.

[Kristatos]

In QoS, we stray shamlessly back into Brosnan territory again once too often.

I don't recall Brosnan's Bond exhibiting such superhuman strength. Even in DAD, Bond suffered consequences from his torture, even if he did recover rather more quickly than he did in CR.

[Alessandra]

In QoS, we stray shamlessly back into Brosnan territory again once too often.

I don't recall Brosnan's Bond exhibiting such superhuman strength. Even in DAD, Bond suffered consequences from his torture, even if he did recover rather more quickly than he did in CR.

I agree. Brosnan's Bond was never a superhuman who looked like a ninja kicking ass combined with a top Boxe athlete, not to mention jumping roofs and acting like Spiderman and Superman combined... there were unrealistic things like in EVERY Bond movie, but he was never a superhuman. And there's also the detail of Brosnan's Bond looking and acting like James Bond actually would, unlike Craig who looks and moves nothing like Bond.