Fleming material.

[Captain Nash]

Whilst the first few films were fairly faithful to the works of Fleming, most of the later entries started to only use brief snippets of the Fleming books as their source.
For example, DN, FRWL, GF, TB and OHMSS are fairly close to the novel in terms of character and story.
Whilst the likes of DAF, LALD, TSWLM, MR and AVTAK are really nothing like the book to which they bear the same name.
So it got me wondering, how much Fleming material is still un-used and could possibly be incorporated into a future Bond film?
Having not read the Fleming novels since I was a teenager, I may need a little help here. But for example, most of DAF could be used, so could Risico.
Then there are the novels that seem to have been used alot. LALD being a prime example. Having element used in both the cinematic versions of FYEO and LTK.
I look forward to anyones thoughts on this.

[katied]

There's a lot that would have to be modernized, perhaps. but yeah, I think taking some of the unused stuff would be good, given the right writer and director.

[Kristatos]

Not to mention the extracts from Fleming's notebooks that John Pearson published in his biography, featuring unused Bond ideas.

[mcbride007]

Moonraker coud be good, although some would not enjoy James bond being in England for the whole time.

[Captain Nash]

Moonraker coud be good, although some would not enjoy James bond being in England for the whole time.

Well they could change the location.
Much like the keel hauling scene from the novel of LALD is moved to the film version of FYEO.

Though there is alot of MR that could be used. I'm just reading the short stories in the FYEO novel. Read QOS the other night to see if there was anything that could've been used in the film.
Would've been nice is some element of the short story could've been incorporated into the script. Bad writing perhaps?
Purvis, Wade and Haggis I'm looking at you.

[katied]

Purvis, Wade and Haggis I'm looking at you.

I'll be interested to see what Peter Morgan can come up with..but it'll probably get a rewrite from Purvis and Wade.

[Captain Nash]

I've just read all the Fleming short stories.
FYEO, OP, TPOAL, QOS, THR, Risico, FAVTAK, TLD and OO7 in New York.
There are plenty of elements from these stories that could still be used in the Bond films. Though TLD, TPOAL and Risico have largely been used, even OP is used within a line or two from the film of the same name.
Why do EON look for new stories, when there are plenty still to be used or adapted from Fleming?

When reading these, it started making me think how good a preiod setting and a faithful adaptation of these books would be truly wonderful.
My idea of a Bond tv series springs to mind.
If Bond is hung up for a while I wonder if EON would let me use the rights to Bond?

Just imagine a Bond of the novels come to life. Not a wise cracking playboy who can dodge bullets or pull a ludicrous gadget out of his pocket. But a government assassin who fights not only with villains, but himself in order to stay alive. A man who looks death in the face, a tarnished man an almost broken man. Would be fantastic imo.

[The Sweeney]

I've done this to death before, but I'll post it again as I feel passionate about this particular subject -

Unused Fleming material is approximately half...yes HALF....50% of what he wrote is still to be used -
The majority of MR (ignoring the pathetic attempt in DAD)
The majority of DAF
TSWLM in its entirety
YOLT in its entirety
TMWTGG in its entirety
Short stories - AVTAK, QOS, THR, OP

(Fans often mention LALD, but the majority of it has already been used in LALD, FYEO and LTK).

What annoys me more is that EON don't seem to realise this amount of unused material, which makes me wonder if Babs and co have actually read the novels before...

[Kristatos]

I don't think TSWLM would make a good film, though, since James Bond is not the main character. As I recall, Fleming didn't want it filmed, and asked that only the title be used, though Jaws was probably inspired by Sol Horror's steel-capped teeth.

[The Sweeney]

I don't think TSWLM would make a good film, though, since James Bond is not the main character. As I recall, Fleming didn't want it filmed, and asked that only the title be used, though Jaws was probably inspired by Sol Horror's steel-capped teeth.

Viv Michel would make a good heroine, Horror and Sluggsy would make decent side-kick villains, and the entire scenes in the motel, with her close to being raped, the chase in the woods, Bond finally coming to the rescue, and the shootout, would make a great translation to the screen, IMO (that's approximately 65 - 70% of the novel).

[Mazer Rackham]

I don't think TSWLM would make a good film, though, since James Bond is not the main character. As I recall, Fleming didn't want it filmed, and asked that only the title be used, though Jaws was probably inspired by Sol Horror's steel-capped teeth.

Viv Michel would make a good heroine, Horror and Sluggsy would make decent side-kick villains, and the entire scenes in the motel, with her close to being raped, the chase in the woods, Bond finally coming to the rescue, and the shootout, would make a great translation to the screen, IMO (that's approximately 65 - 70% of the novel).

Filming TSWLM would complete Eons violation of Fleming's James Bond 007. They've already perverted and twisted his ideals with Babs midlife crisis and casting Craig why not make the movie he forbade.

Seriously though I don't think Eon could make a movie of it successfully. A Bond serial some time might be able to broach it successfully, especially if they make all Fleming's small stories too. Although I'm sure TSWLM is the kind of story, one almost belonging on the Lifetime network that Babs would love to make and politicize from her POV even more.

[The Sweeney]

I don't think TSWLM would make a good film, though, since James Bond is not the main character. As I recall, Fleming didn't want it filmed, and asked that only the title be used, though Jaws was probably inspired by Sol Horror's steel-capped teeth.

Viv Michel would make a good heroine, Horror and Sluggsy would make decent side-kick villains, and the entire scenes in the motel, with her close to being raped, the chase in the woods, Bond finally coming to the rescue, and the shootout, would make a great translation to the screen, IMO (that's approximately 65 - 70% of the novel).

Filming TSWLM would complete Eons violation of Fleming's James Bond 007. They've already perverted and twisted his ideals with Babs midlife crisis and casting Craig why not make the movie he forbade.

Seriously though I don't think Eon could make a movie of it successfully. A Bond serial some time might be able to broach it successfully, especially if they make all Fleming's small stories too. Although I'm sure TSWLM is the kind of story, one almost belonging on the Lifetime network that Babs would love to make and politicize from her POV even more.

You couldn't obviously make an entire movie out of the material from TSWLM, but it could be used within a movie, the same way TLD and Risico are both used.

[Mazer Rackham]

You couldn't obviously make an entire movie out of the material from TSWLM, but it could be used within a movie, the same way TLD and Risico are both used.

I see. I don't think Eon can do it since they do not have the right to this story, nobody does. Maybe when it gets to a point where it is in the Public Domain. Something like another 39 years. Even then they would be violating Fleming's explicit wishes, to which they were a party. It wouldn't be all that good for them image wise. Although the story is interesting and certainly a departure from Fleming's other works.

When you think about it they still have CR to make, they cut the heart and soul out of it. A lot there yet to be used.

[The Sweeney]

You couldn't obviously make an entire movie out of the material from TSWLM, but it could be used within a movie, the same way TLD and Risico are both used.

I see. I don't think Eon can do it since they do not have the right to this story, nobody does. Maybe when it gets to a point where it is in the Public Domain. Something like another 39 years. Even then they would be violating Fleming's explicit wishes, to which they were a party. It wouldn't be all that good for them image wise. Although the story is interesting and certainly a departure from Fleming's other works.

When you think about it they still have CR to make, they cut the heart and soul out of it. A lot there yet to be used.

I'm sure EON could do a deal with Glidrose, or whoever holds the rights these days to the Fleming estate, to get the rights to TSWLM. But there mere fact that there are still plenty of other Fleming novels still to be used, and Babs hasn't bothered to tap into them, I doubt she will do anything with TSWLM either.

I don't agree with CR though, Mazer. To me this was as faithful an adaptation as FRWL or OHMSS (but modernised, of course).....

[Lord Shark]

If Micoli can procure the rights for Casino Royale, then doing so for The Spy Who Loved Me wouldn't be much of a problem.

[Kristatos]

This list might prove useful to this discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference ... _and_films