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Bond 23 on hold? Another 6 year gap? Now DC can be replaced?
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bjmdds wrote:Bond 23 on hold? Another 6 year gap? Now DC can be replaced?
My guess is that Craig will go the way of Dalton, but if he remains the critics' darling, that may save him. Cubby wanted Dalton for Goldeneye, but I understand there was studio pressure to replace him with Brozza. There probably wouldn't be that pressure with Craig, as enough people have been persuaded that he is "Fleming's Bond". It depends whether more influential critics start joining us in singing "the king is in the all together". There has been a steady trickle, but will it become a flood during Bond's absence?
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news ... ement.html

Bookies take bets on Craig's 007 replacement

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William Hill has started to take bets on Daniel Craig's James Bond replacement following news that the 23rd 007 movie has been postponed indefinitely.

Bond producers Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli announced yesterday that they have ceased work on the untitled action film until financially stricken studio MGM resolves its future.

The move has prompted speculation that Craig, who portrayed the MI6 spy in Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace, could leave the role. A similar enforced delay in Bond films, between 1989's License To Kill and 1995's GoldenEye, prompted Timothy Dalton to quit the part and be replaced by Pierce Brosnan.

Bookmakers William Hill have installed Avatar's Sam Worthington as the 5/2 favourite to land the role. Worthington previously auditioned for Casino Royale but lost out on the role to Craig.

Who will play the Next 007 AFTER Daniel Craig?:

5/2 Sam Worthington,
7/1 Will Smith, 7/1 Christian Bale,
8/1 Clive Owen,
10/1 Dougray Scott,
10/1 Alex O'Loughlin,
12/1 Orlando Bloom,
16/1 James Purefoy,
16/1 Henry Cavill,
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James wrote:http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news ... ement.html

Bookies take bets on Craig's 007 replacement

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William Hill has started to take bets on Daniel Craig's James Bond replacement following news that the 23rd 007 movie has been postponed indefinitely.

Bond producers Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli announced yesterday that they have ceased work on the untitled action film until financially stricken studio MGM resolves its future.

The move has prompted speculation that Craig, who portrayed the MI6 spy in Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace, could leave the role. A similar enforced delay in Bond films, between 1989's License To Kill and 1995's GoldenEye, prompted Timothy Dalton to quit the part and be replaced by Pierce Brosnan.

Bookmakers William Hill have installed Avatar's Sam Worthington as the 5/2 favourite to land the role. Worthington previously auditioned for Casino Royale but lost out on the role to Craig.

Who will play the Next 007 AFTER Daniel Craig?:

5/2 Sam Worthington,
7/1 Will Smith, 7/1 Christian Bale,
8/1 Clive Owen,
10/1 Dougray Scott,
10/1 Alex O'Loughlin,
12/1 Orlando Bloom,
16/1 James Purefoy,
16/1 Henry Cavill,
Now I like the sound of this. It would be nice if this man is one of the contenders taking the Bond role. :007:

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Why is Jackman not on the list? The LA Times today commented that the poorly named QOS with an aging hipster with a bad facelift was reason enough to stall production of Bond 23, let alone MGM's problems. The wheels are off CR-egg's run. I now really do see an end to his run if there is a new buyer. :cheers:
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bjmdds wrote:Why is Jackman not on the list? The LA Times today commented that the poorly named QOS with an aging hipster with a bad facelift was reason enough to stall production of Bond 23, let alone MGM's problems. The wheels are off CR-egg's run. I now really do see an end to his run if there is a new buyer. :cheers:
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bjmdds wrote:Why is Jackman not on the list? The LA Times today commented that the poorly named QOS with an aging hipster with a bad facelift was reason enough to stall production of Bond 23, let alone MGM's problems. The wheels are off CR-egg's run. I now really do see an end to his run if there is a new buyer. :cheers:
Jackman is at least on friendly terms with the Brocs. Danny Boy may be better walking off, if Brozza had walked off after DAD they never would have smeared his career and publicly criticized all the movies, his through Connery.

Babs is smitten with a man who is the antithesis of Ian Fleming's James Bond a few more years, a few more sags and crags isn't likely to change that. Now I could imagine a buyer putting pressure on them to change production habits, perhaps making a few more movies than one every two years on a good schedule. The studios don't make that much off Bond to wait twenty years to recoup their investment.

Eon putting Bond on the shelf my be the best thing for it. They were either frustrated by the funding stalemate and are throwing their weight around or they truly see nothing happening for long time. They can either come back with a new series refreshed like GE or truly to prop up a aging micro-man action star.

There is one parallel from 1989 to today: The star predicted trouble long before it came about. In Dalton's case Bond was coming off a string of movies where the studio didn't see a profit LTK was only the straw that broke the camels back. Since VTAK, on paper at least, Bond Box Office was not benefiting the studio coffers much. But LTK really sank them taking over seven years for investors to recoup enough to break even. It is a similar situation today, one report I've seen had the studio in the negative for the Bond since Brozza era, TWIN or DAD I don't have it in front of me to be completely accurate, but the trend continued with Craig's two outings being same kettle of fish.

I don't completely believe those reports which on first blush are accurate, but I've seen writeups where a movie couldn't lose money when various advertising and other revenue not related to Box Office were counted. Ridiculous amounts of money, completely implausible and utterly unrealistic still they bothered to try to spin it.
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The other similarity would be Property of a Lady 2010 script being put in a drawer next to Property of a Lady 1990.
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What next for 007?

Film fans have been left both shaken and stirred by the news that the 23rd Bond film has been delayed indefinitely. Neil Smith asks where Her Majesty's most successful movie franchise goes from here.

Over the last five decades, James Bond has seen off countless criminal masterminds, nefarious villains and evil organisations. There is one enemy even 007 cannot defeat, though: the ongoing global recession.

Bond films make a lot of money. But they also take a lot of money to make - $200m minimum - which is currently more than MGM can afford. Saddled with debts of almost $4 billion, MGM has been looking for a buyer since last year but has yet to find a white knight. With no saviour on the horizon, Eon - the company that owns the rights to Ian Fleming's character and makes the Bond movies - has opted to put the next as yet untitled instalment on indefinite hold.

The last time Eon got into a spat with MGM - just after the release of Licence to Kill in 1989 - it took six years to resolve. That was too long a hiatus for Timothy Dalton, whose decision not to return for 1995's GoldenEye allowed Pierce Brosnan to begin his highly successful four-film tenure. While everyone expects the next 007 to get made eventually, there's no telling when that will be.

By the time Bond 23 is made, Daniel Craig may have moved on.
That isn't as crazy as it sounds. Quantum of Solace may have made $586m but it got some of the worst reviews of any Bond pic to date. Not only that, but Craig was said to be unhappy working with director Marc Forster - so much so that Bond producers Michael G Wilson and Barbara Broccoli openly courted Sam Mendes, a good friend of Craig's, in the hope he would direct the next entry in the series.

Mendes was tempted but didn't bite, leaving the project without a director and with little hope of meeting its projected 2012 release date even before the current MGM-related stalemate. Under the circumstances no one would blame Craig if he chose to move on, leaving the field open for another leading man as and when the next Bond goes back into production.

What would a Bond movie look like without Craig, though? Well, there'd be no need for it to continue down the tougher, grittier path established by 2006's Casino Royale. Chances are it would return to the lighter and more playful tone of the Brosnan years, complete with overdue comebacks for gadget whizz Q and M's loyal secretary Miss Moneypenny. The one thing that's been missing from the last two Bond pictures has been a sense of humour, something Dan's departure, while unfortunate, could easily restore. Hell, if this current suspension lasts as long as the last gap in production did, the series will be needing another reboot anyway.

Whisper it gently, but there is one more nightmare scenario - that there might not be another Bond movie at all. Whoever ends up owning MGM might not be so ready to hand $200m over to Michael and Barbara without a greater say in the finished result, something this fiercely protective duo would be extremely reluctant to facilitate. The film world has changed beyond recognition from how it was when Albert R 'Cubby' Broccoli and Harry Saltzman made Dr No in 1962 for what was then United Artists. How far, though, will their successors be prepared to alter what from their viewpoint has not just been a supremely winning formula, but also a cherished family business?
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Speaking of Mendes he moved on quick. A little too quick maybe? It sounds like he was lining OZ up long before Bond 23 was officially canned.
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Blowfeld wrote:
What next for 007?

Film fans have been left both shaken and stirred by the news that the 23rd Bond film has been delayed indefinitely. Neil Smith asks where Her Majesty's most successful movie franchise goes from here.

Over the last five decades, James Bond has seen off countless criminal masterminds, nefarious villains and evil organisations. There is one enemy even 007 cannot defeat, though: the ongoing global recession.

Bond films make a lot of money. But they also take a lot of money to make - $200m minimum - which is currently more than MGM can afford. Saddled with debts of almost $4 billion, MGM has been looking for a buyer since last year but has yet to find a white knight. With no saviour on the horizon, Eon - the company that owns the rights to Ian Fleming's character and makes the Bond movies - has opted to put the next as yet untitled instalment on indefinite hold.

The last time Eon got into a spat with MGM - just after the release of Licence to Kill in 1989 - it took six years to resolve. That was too long a hiatus for Timothy Dalton, whose decision not to return for 1995's GoldenEye allowed Pierce Brosnan to begin his highly successful four-film tenure. While everyone expects the next 007 to get made eventually, there's no telling when that will be.

By the time Bond 23 is made, Daniel Craig may have moved on.
That isn't as crazy as it sounds. Quantum of Solace may have made $586m but it got some of the worst reviews of any Bond pic to date. Not only that, but Craig was said to be unhappy working with director Marc Forster - so much so that Bond producers Michael G Wilson and Barbara Broccoli openly courted Sam Mendes, a good friend of Craig's, in the hope he would direct the next entry in the series.

Mendes was tempted but didn't bite, leaving the project without a director and with little hope of meeting its projected 2012 release date even before the current MGM-related stalemate. Under the circumstances no one would blame Craig if he chose to move on, leaving the field open for another leading man as and when the next Bond goes back into production.

What would a Bond movie look like without Craig, though? Well, there'd be no need for it to continue down the tougher, grittier path established by 2006's Casino Royale. Chances are it would return to the lighter and more playful tone of the Brosnan years, complete with overdue comebacks for gadget whizz Q and M's loyal secretary Miss Moneypenny. The one thing that's been missing from the last two Bond pictures has been a sense of humour, something Dan's departure, while unfortunate, could easily restore. Hell, if this current suspension lasts as long as the last gap in production did, the series will be needing another reboot anyway.

Whisper it gently, but there is one more nightmare scenario - that there might not be another Bond movie at all. Whoever ends up owning MGM might not be so ready to hand $200m over to Michael and Barbara without a greater say in the finished result, something this fiercely protective duo would be extremely reluctant to facilitate. The film world has changed beyond recognition from how it was when Albert R 'Cubby' Broccoli and Harry Saltzman made Dr No in 1962 for what was then United Artists. How far, though, will their successors be prepared to alter what from their viewpoint has not just been a supremely winning formula, but also a cherished family business?
Eh, I'm not upset by it. And Babs and Mikey having less of a stranglehold on the finished product would be a GOOD thing, definitely.
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Time to reuse this bad boy and place a help wanted ad! :007:
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Beyonce as Ginger Grant in Gilligan's Island? Seth Rogen, the Green Hornet( :shock: ) as the skipper? What the heck is going on with these casting agents in Hollywood? This madness just continues to stockpile one after another. The great news is with Maguire out as a successful Spiderman, Eon could very well follow that with pressure by the new buyer to dump CRegg. Call up Jackman and sign him for 4 straight films. Watch DC disappear from the radar screen.
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Mazer can you clarify the numbers a little bit for movies that lost money, are those negative numbers before or after the Eon MGM profit split?
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Perhaps after the two Quantum based revenge movies they couldn't decided on how to proceed with Craig in the role. Do they continue as the rogue agent who bounces at the local bar in his spare time or do they take the incalculable risk of seeing if Craig has a smile that doesn't have parents calling local authorities to report a suspicious looking man loitering outside the elementary school.

Maybe rather than admitting they are stuck with no direction they have decided to give him the option of doing a Dalton.
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James wrote:http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news ... ement.html

Bookies take bets on Craig's 007 replacement

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William Hill has started to take bets on Daniel Craig's James Bond replacement following news that the 23rd 007 movie has been postponed indefinitely.

Bond producers Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli announced yesterday that they have ceased work on the untitled action film until financially stricken studio MGM resolves its future.

The move has prompted speculation that Craig, who portrayed the MI6 spy in Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace, could leave the role. A similar enforced delay in Bond films, between 1989's License To Kill and 1995's GoldenEye, prompted Timothy Dalton to quit the part and be replaced by Pierce Brosnan.

Bookmakers William Hill have installed Avatar's Sam Worthington as the 5/2 favourite to land the role. Worthington previously auditioned for Casino Royale but lost out on the role to Craig.

Who will play the Next 007 AFTER Daniel Craig?:

5/2 Sam Worthington,
7/1 Will Smith, 7/1 Christian Bale,
8/1 Clive Owen,
10/1 Dougray Scott,
10/1 Alex O'Loughlin,
12/1 Orlando Bloom,
16/1 James Purefoy,
16/1 Henry Cavill,
Cavill is 16/1? I may have a bet on him.
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mcbride007 wrote:
James wrote:http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news ... ement.html

Bookies take bets on Craig's 007 replacement

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William Hill has started to take bets on Daniel Craig's James Bond replacement following news that the 23rd 007 movie has been postponed indefinitely.

Bond producers Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli announced yesterday that they have ceased work on the untitled action film until financially stricken studio MGM resolves its future.

The move has prompted speculation that Craig, who portrayed the MI6 spy in Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace, could leave the role. A similar enforced delay in Bond films, between 1989's License To Kill and 1995's GoldenEye, prompted Timothy Dalton to quit the part and be replaced by Pierce Brosnan.

Bookmakers William Hill have installed Avatar's Sam Worthington as the 5/2 favourite to land the role. Worthington previously auditioned for Casino Royale but lost out on the role to Craig.

Who will play the Next 007 AFTER Daniel Craig?:

5/2 Sam Worthington,
7/1 Will Smith, 7/1 Christian Bale,
8/1 Clive Owen,
10/1 Dougray Scott,
10/1 Alex O'Loughlin,
12/1 Orlando Bloom,
16/1 James Purefoy,
16/1 Henry Cavill,
Cavill is 16/1? I may have a bet on him.
Yeah. He is one of our favourite candidates too and for various reason I think he is in better position than the bookmakers are allowing for.
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Brocc-o-li is still a problem. Her mindset has been off base since Brosnan left as Bond. She had better see the light and replace DC once the new owner of MGM takes over. We are approaching out 600th page here and DC is still technically in the role;however,in light of the money required to do a Bond film and DC's waning support and poor performance of ALL of his other films, and throw in his disgusting facial look for Bond, the clock MIGHT be ticking on his tenure as Bond with the right new people at the helm who could get tough on this annoying Broccoli and straighten her out. As I said, if Tobey can be recast after his success as Spiderman, and with Avatar bringing back euphoric fantasy into films, there is no reason for Eon not to return to a real Bond formula with a new M, Q, etc. What would be the purpose in aged DC meeting Q and Moneypenny for the first time and then replace him in the next film? NO way are they using DC for 4 more films so it is time to jettison this joke from the Bond realm and let us all finally enjoy Bond as we want him, as we like him, and as he should be. :cheers:
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Bond films should always be a balance between realism and escapism.
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