The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[FormerBondFan]

Damon can go to hell for all I care now and the Bourne role was just another anti-USA government film he loved doing.

We need Damon for Bourne 4.

I don't think so.The wheels fell off that franchise as well the "gritty" "real world" spy steered the Bond makes down a dead end alley.

Bourne needs to stay at its own merit but to be like the Bond franchise where recasting is needed.

[bjmdds]

Tomorrow is the 3 year anniversary of this thread with now over 208,000 worldwide views. I joined this forum 3 years ago this past Wednesday, the 17th. Time sure flies by when you are having fun, and that is what I hope this thread and forum have brought to those who view only or post as well. It has been a wild ride all set off by the miscasting by Eon of an individual who is the antithesis of all things Bond. Here's to our 4th year and a rebirth of the franchise without Daniel CR-egg as Bond.

[bjmdds]

Damon can go to hell for all I care now and the Bourne role was just another anti-USA government film he loved doing.

We need Damon for Bourne 4.

No way FBF. He is done.

[James]

Tomorrow is the 3 year anniversary of this thread with now over 208,000 worldwide views. I joined this forum 3 years ago this past Wednesday, the 17th. Time sure flies by when you are having fun, and that is what I hope this thread and forum have brought to those who view only or post as well. It has been a wild ride all set off by the miscasting by Eon of an individual who is the antithesis of all things Bond. Here's to our 4th year and a rebirth of the franchise without Daniel CR-egg as Bond.

And interestingly, many of the things we complained about back in 2007 have now been picked up by the mainstream. We came back into fashion by holding to our views. These posts I found the other day at another place perfectly illustrate this.

I have to admit that this new working class/blue collar Bond is not for me. Not only is he dressed by Tom Ford he drives one as well. With Craig's Bond I feel he'd be a seargent in the SAS not an officer.

Gone are the fine wines and great menus, instead we get Bond drinking beer from a Bottle, not caring how his martini is made, when in the books we know Bond does care about all these things. He likes his eggs a certin way, his short sleeved shirts and his martini shaken. I expect in the next one he'll be eating at McDonalds (More product placement). Far fom Bond giving us a view into a world we don't know,where rich villians are plotting fantastic crimes we are given a drab everyday world with small time crooks. Can we look forward to Bond stopping to pay a traffic congestion fee, complaining about his pay?

For those who say the new Bond is a return to the books I have to say I must be reading them differently. Craig's Bond is a working class Yob in an expensive suit, a thug in the employ of her Majesty and IMHO far removed from Fleming's character.

This is a real and knotty problem that gets right to the heart of what divides opinion re Craig's Bond. I have come to believe that DC is good, so good that he almost makes me forget how miscast he is as Bond. However in falling over themselves to 'update' the character something important has been lost in translation. My Wife (also also a life long Bond nut) has as her main gripe that "he looks like a Squaddie and not an Officer" I think that she is rght, and to date we have seen plenty of 'thug' but precious little class. Class is a real problem in making a contemporary Bond, in as much as we cannot pretend that it is still the 1950's and that the modern Bond has to acknowledge this fact. That said the pendulum has possibly swung to far. I have high hopes that 23 will redress the balance and we get a Bond who has a little fun (his life cannot be all pain), perhaps even beds a girl or three but manages to be fierce and savage to counterbalance. He needs to take pleasure in and appreciate fine things as he must not become a generic Action-Man devoid of wit or charm.

[Mazer Rackham]

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Tomorrow is the 3 year anniversary of this thread with now over 208,000 worldwide views. I joined this forum 3 years ago this past Wednesday, the 17th. Time sure flies by when you are having fun, and that is what I hope this thread and forum have brought to those who view only or post as well. It has been a wild ride all set off by the miscasting by Eon of an individual who is the antithesis of all things Bond. Here's to our 4th year and a rebirth of the franchise without Daniel CR-egg as Bond.

Cheers BJ!

And interestingly, many of the things we complained about back in 2007 have now been picked up by the mainstream. We came back into fashion by holding to our views. These posts I found the other day at another place perfectly illustrate this.

I have to admit that this new working class/blue collar Bond is not for me. Not only is he dressed by Tom Ford he drives one as well. With Craig's Bond I feel he'd be a seargent in the SAS not an officer.

Gone are the fine wines and great menus, instead we get Bond drinking beer from a Bottle, not caring how his martini is made, when in the books we know Bond does care about all these things. He likes his eggs a certin way, his short sleeved shirts and his martini shaken. I expect in the next one he'll be eating at McDonalds (More product placement). Far fom Bond giving us a view into a world we don't know,where rich villians are plotting fantastic crimes we are given a drab everyday world with small time crooks. Can we look forward to Bond stopping to pay a traffic congestion fee, complaining about his pay?

For those who say the new Bond is a return to the books I have to say I must be reading them differently. Craig's Bond is a working class Yob in an expensive suit, a thug in the employ of her Majesty and IMHO far removed from Fleming's character.

This is a real and knotty problem that gets right to the heart of what divides opinion re Craig's Bond. I have come to believe that DC is good, so good that he almost makes me forget how miscast he is as Bond. However in falling over themselves to 'update' the character something important has been lost in translation. My Wife (also also a life long Bond nut) has as her main gripe that "he looks like a Squaddie and not an Officer" I think that she is rght, and to date we have seen plenty of 'thug' but precious little class. Class is a real problem in making a contemporary Bond, in as much as we cannot pretend that it is still the 1950's and that the modern Bond has to acknowledge this fact. That said the pendulum has possibly swung to far. I have high hopes that 23 will redress the balance and we get a Bond who has a little fun (his life cannot be all pain), perhaps even beds a girl or three but manages to be fierce and savage to counterbalance. He needs to take pleasure in and appreciate fine things as he must not become a generic Action-Man devoid of wit or charm.

"I have come to believe that DC is good, so good that he almost makes me forget how miscast he is as Bond"
Conflicted fellow isn't he. I don't buy this clap trap of Craig is great actor and much too good for Bond crap. Bond is limited to the way he can play him which isn't charming or civilized, he's a cliched man of action stuck in a high school mentality. Certainly his relationship with women is, stuck as pubescent jock on campus who got his heart broken by his first love and his Mom (M) is constantly trying to put him on restriction.

Craig is not only miscast he is out of his depth.

[FormerBondFan]

Damon can go to hell for all I care now and the Bourne role was just another anti-USA government film he loved doing.

We need Damon for Bourne 4.

No way FBF. He is done.

We need him to go against DC and Bond 23 in 2011.

[bjmdds]

New Spiderman.....new Jason Bourne.....new Bond.....that is what we will get.....

[FormerBondFan]

New Spiderman.....new Jason Bourne.....new Bond.....that is what we will get.....

I guess we still have Nolan's/Bale's Batman, Star Trek, and perhaps Indiana Jones to enjoy in the big screen.

Spidey reboot is COMPLETELY unnecessary, and Bourne needs to stay at its own merit.....not to be like Bond where you switch actors. As for the new Bond....if it's about the 7th Bond....well, just count me in this talk. BTW you mind if this man takes over as Bond after DC leaves?



Or you feel like you want to explode.

[bjmdds]

Elvis Seagal?

[FormerBondFan]

Elvis Seagal?

I assume you want to explode then.

[Blowfeld]

He is looking more and more like the "fat guy" from MAD TV (also the morgue attendant from the 1996 Doctor Who TV Movie) who used to play a Segal for their skits.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXx3_ykUpfY[/video]
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTi0A3BF0i4[/video]

[Blowfeld]

The Mirror has dredged up the Pinto rumours combing them with the old Afghanistan rumours with a dash of Mendes.

I will wait to put it in the News section until it is confirmed. It is not credible to me for so many reason.

Slumdog Millionaire star Freida Pinto lands lead in new James Bond film, to be directed by Sam Mendes

By Clemmie Moodie 20/03/2010
Stunning Slumdog Millionaire star Freida Pinto has landed a multi-million pound deal to be the next Bond girl.

As she prepares to join the ranks of screen beauties Ursula Andress, Diana Rigg and Britt Ekland, Freida is looking forward to her biggest payday yet with the 007 assignment.

The Mumbai beauty, who was a key member of the Slumdog cast which won 10 Oscars last year, is set to sign the money-spinning deal thought to be worth £3million. Freida, dating her Slumdog co-star Brit Dev Patel, is said to be "ecstatic" after she was approached to star in 007's next movie mission, to be directed by Sam Mendes.

And US actress Olivia Wilde, star of TV's House, is in negotiations to play the other lead female role in the 23rd Bond flick, set in Afghanistan.

A source said: "Sam has been talking about Bond for months now and is so excited about it.

"The project has been in the pipeline for months and Freida was always the dream Bond girl, but initially she was nervous about accepting it. This is going to be the most ambitious 007 yet. Sam plans to reinvent the genre.

"Peter Morgan, who wrote The Queen, has penned the first draft of the script and it promises to be visually stunning.

"It will be a typically glamorous and raunchy role and Dev has been joking to friends he is cool with seeing Freida rolling around with 007."

Olivia, 25, has been approached to play a double-crossing UN worker based in Afghanistan. She is best known for playing Dr Hadley in Howuse but recently finished filming on new movie Tron Legacy, starring opposite Michael Sheen and Oscar-winner Jeff Bridges.

The new Bond movie, due to begin production later this summer, will be shot in Buckinghamshire's Pinewood studios and on location in the Afghan capital Kabul.

Signing Freida to star beside Daniel Craig's 007 will come as a great boost to British director Mendes, who this week announced his split from Oscar-winner Kate Winslet.

The Mirror revealed the pair had been on the rocks for nearly two years, ever since filming the Golden Globe drama Revolutionary Road together.

The story can be found atThe Mirror

[katied]

Sheesh... they're ignoring the fact that Freida Pinto has *denied* the rumors. I like Freida but I just don't see her as a Bond girl. Same with Olivia Wilde. Their names get thrown around because they've been in popular movies(Pinto) and a TV show(Wilde).That's all there is to it.


As for filming in Afghanistan..unlikely.Can you say "liability?" I can.

[bjmdds]

These 'girls' are too young for Craig's 50 something Roger Moore-ish look.

[katied]

These 'girls' are too young for Craig's 50 something Roger Moore-ish look.

Well yeah,that too.

I just am allergic to casting people who are overly popular as Bond roles. I don't like the idea of replacing M(Dame Judi should play her 'till she can't/doesn't want to). That is why I grit my teeth when I see it suggested that she be replaced. There's a lack of originality there since the same people are always suggested(and most of them are male).

[bjmdds]

I doubt the next M is a female. Mendes wants a 'visually stunning' Bond film? How can that be with morbid CR-egg in it?

[katied]

I doubt the next M is a female. Mendes wants a 'visually stunning' Bond film? How can that be with morbid CR-egg in it?

A lot of people want EON to make M male again.Don't understand the Dame Judi hate...

[Omega]

As for filming in Afghanistan..unlikely.Can you say "liability?" I can.

File that under I don't think so. All of the trouble they had with the curse for QOS I doubt they would risk all their lives to film in authentic Afghani desert.

I doubt the next M is a female. Mendes wants a 'visually stunning' Bond film? How can that be with morbid CR-egg in it?

A lot of people want EON to make M male again.Don't understand the Dame Judi hate...

I think it comes down to she's been their too long and she was wrong for the back to basics reboot. As we found out Barbara Broccoli is in love with Judy Dench as M that's a problem when she hires only people who she wants to hang around.

[JackWade CIA]

And interestingly, many of the things we complained about back in 2007 have now been picked up by the mainstream. We came back into fashion by holding to our views. These posts I found the other day at another place perfectly illustrate this.

I have to admit that this new working class/blue collar Bond is not for me. Not only is he dressed by Tom Ford he drives one as well. With Craig's Bond I feel he'd be a seargent in the SAS not an officer.

Gone are the fine wines and great menus, instead we get Bond drinking beer from a Bottle, not caring how his martini is made, when in the books we know Bond does care about all these things. He likes his eggs a certin way, his short sleeved shirts and his martini shaken. I expect in the next one he'll be eating at McDonalds (More product placement). Far fom Bond giving us a view into a world we don't know,where rich villians are plotting fantastic crimes we are given a drab everyday world with small time crooks. Can we look forward to Bond stopping to pay a traffic congestion fee, complaining about his pay?

For those who say the new Bond is a return to the books I have to say I must be reading them differently. Craig's Bond is a working class Yob in an expensive suit, a thug in the employ of her Majesty and IMHO far removed from Fleming's character.

This is a real and knotty problem that gets right to the heart of what divides opinion re Craig's Bond. I have come to believe that DC is good, so good that he almost makes me forget how miscast he is as Bond. However in falling over themselves to 'update' the character something important has been lost in translation. My Wife (also also a life long Bond nut) has as her main gripe that "he looks like a Squaddie and not an Officer" I think that she is rght, and to date we have seen plenty of 'thug' but precious little class. Class is a real problem in making a contemporary Bond, in as much as we cannot pretend that it is still the 1950's and that the modern Bond has to acknowledge this fact. That said the pendulum has possibly swung to far. I have high hopes that 23 will redress the balance and we get a Bond who has a little fun (his life cannot be all pain), perhaps even beds a girl or three but manages to be fierce and savage to counterbalance. He needs to take pleasure in and appreciate fine things as he must not become a generic Action-Man devoid of wit or charm.

"I have come to believe that DC is good, so good that he almost makes me forget how miscast he is as Bond"
Conflicted fellow isn't he. I don't buy this clap trap of Craig is great actor and much too good for Bond crap. Bond is limited to the way he can play him which isn't charming or civilized, he's a cliched man of action stuck in a high school mentality. Certainly his relationship with women is, stuck as pubescent jock on campus who got his heart broken by his first love and his Mom (M) is constantly trying to put him on restriction.

Craig is not only miscast he is out of his depth.

It was a knifes edge they were walking rebooting with Craig. Doing it as they did it wouldn't be possible to go back to the old Bond series. Quantum of Solace has made people look at Casino Royale with a more critical eye and it doesn't hold up as well honestly. Going over in my mind why Casino Royale worked it was the unsaid possibilities more than what was done on screen. To Eon's eternal shame those possibilities were dash against the rocks with Quantum. I don't think they can capture what was right in CR because they harder they try the softer their grip on it will become. In the end I think Craig will have wasted our time and his, every Bond starting with Connery has added to the legend of Bond, even the lesser outings still adding to the illustriousness of Bond. Craig's outing will be scrapped the series starting over with a fresh face that will tie into the original series be it by retelling the stories through a proper reboot or telling the adventures seamlessly so they could be prequels or sequels.

Maybe just maybe Eon pulls out a hat-trick with Bond 23, I am not feeling it. Not with what they have leaked about the story and their choice of director. Shocking scripts and a director who wants to reinvent the genre. Sorry make it a good script instead and a director who doesn't have chip on his shoulder who will do a capable job not trying to prove he is too good for the people watching his movie.

The more I think about it the more uncertain I am about why they took the path they did with Craig. They may be more stuck than they were following Cubby Broccoli's footprints

[bjmdds]

JW;what do you think we have been saying since CR-egg appeared at his initial press conference wearing a life preserver? This whole Broccoli creation is a joke, from director choice to storylines, to the actor who was cast from a casting couch probably. This madness must end. CR is not watchable on television in syndication. It is a bloody bore. QOS has vanished quicly in such a short space of time too.