The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[katied]

Roger Moore broke his leg and kept acting. The old Hollywood stars could grin and bear it seems like all we hear about is every nick and scratch Brosnan and Craig got on stage.

This is true. John Wayne was making movies a few years before he died.

[Captain Nash]

The lost child gimmick is beneath contempt.

BTW It wasn't my intention to disparage the fanfiction writers, my focus was on the industry standards and how they have slipped with subpar work from professional writers, some of who don't have the experience required to write fan fiction.

Let me throw a small bone to Benny; DAD had a few more problems filming because of Brozza, nothing major, just small issues here and there sometimes delaying things. Which could be argued was the producer responsibility to smooth out. Getting hurt on set isn't anyone's fault it happens to young and old. Doesn't mean they are out of shape or careless. It happens all the time. Normally more is done to minimize the risk than the Bond producers have traditionally done.

Though it's obvious that the lead actor (Brosnan) wasn't getting any younger. After suffering a knee injury for DAD, EON would rightly be concerned as to whether Pierce had long left in the role. Who want to jepordise the production of a film, with an actor who potentially has a high risk of injury. Especially as they've suffered them in the past.
Though that small bone has all the meat taken off already. Nothing I didn't already know Mazer.
Not sure where all your hostility comes from? Many on here know that I'm messing around. Lighten up a little, and we might be able to get along better.

[Mazer Rackham]

The small bone was the admission that Brozza was human (see the damned winky face thing)
You have the write up in retrospect of what delayed DAD, there were a few more times Brozza delayed production 3 or 4, minor stuff really. But when you're trying to make a mountain out of mole hill, you'll scream he was getting too old when he delayed shooting until the prune juice he requested was brought to his trailer.

Brozza's pending hip replacement was not part of the reason they canned him. If aches and pain were a reason to fire someone then Craig would already be gone. He goes on about aches and pains more than Angela Lansbury talking about Bufferin. (see the damned winky face thing) Enough humor for ya?

When Brozza said he doesn't know why they fired him, he doesn't. At 57 he is still in great shape. They were talking about one more movie in 2004 to 2005. Which Eon had promised him and the public, all but in writing. Which turned out was essential in making them live up to their word.

In retrospect Craig at 38 needed more makeup than a drag-queen to go out to public event where photographers might get a candid shot. And Brozza was still doing ads for high end apparel and accessories

What happened in downtime was Dana Broccoli dies and immediately there after Babs goes nuts. Before 2004 she spent a year developing a Jinx spin off before MGM killed it. Brozza was talking to directors and writers with ideas for Bond pushing the next movie forward. Purvis and Wade, the Amos 'n' Andy of writing, claim they had a take on CR before Brozza and Tarantino (2003) came Babs and Mikey with one. Curious since in 2003 they thought it was impossible to film.

A lot of thing happened, saying Brozza just got too old isn't anywhere near the crux of the matter.

[Mazer Rackham]

Roger Moore broke his leg and kept acting. The old Hollywood stars could grin and bear it seems like all we hear about is every nick and scratch Brosnan and Craig got on stage.

This is true. John Wayne was making movies a few years before he died.

The news is a constant stream now, any little thing happens to these guys and it is all over the world before lunch.
In movies like Bond the stars are going to get hurt they always have and always will

Sean Connery held up production on Goldfinger when his back went out. Amazingly his back was better after signed a deal where he receives 5% of the grosses of each Bond film he starred in.

[Captain Nash]

Sean Connery held up production on Goldfinger when his back went out. Amazingly his back was better after signed a deal where he receives 5% of the grosses of each Bond film he starred in.

Never knew that.
Where on earth do you get all this information from?
Do you work in the film industry? It's not the kind of tidbits I've found on any other forum, or through searching the net.
I don't suppose you were Gravitys Silhouette in a former life were you? He had an impressive knowledge of all things Bondian. And was always very hostile.

[bjmdds]

I was just watching In Like Flint from 1966 which did $16 million in the USA, compared to $16 million that The Silencers did here in 1966 and the $43 million You Only Live Twice did here in 1967. Bond was tops, but there were other spy genres that got attention then.

[doubleoLisa]

Sean Connery held up production on Goldfinger when his back went out. Amazingly his back was better after signed a deal where he receives 5% of the grosses of each Bond film he starred in.

Never knew that.
Where on earth do you get all this information from?
Do you work in the film industry? It's not the kind of tidbits I've found on any other forum, or through searching the net.
I don't suppose you were Gravitys Silhouette in a former life were you? He had an impressive knowledge of all things Bondian. And was always very hostile.

OMG! This makes total sense. Connery always seemed resentful of Broccoli and Saltzman like they owed him money. His resentment never made any sense before. I always assumed he resented Broccoli and Saltzman for making so much money off his acting when he made so little in return. Maybe he really was owed money. Or thought he was.

Adjusted for inflation Thunderball is the highest grossing Bond right. So Connery was paid like a few hundred thousand dollars for his work. At least that is what I used to think. If this correct Connery made a few million dollars each movie long before Diamonds Are Forever was supposed to have broken the record pay for any actor in Hollywood.

Am I wrong? Have I missed something obvious?

[carl stromberg]

Captain Nash wrote
I don't suppose you were Gravitys Silhouette in a former life were you? He had an impressive knowledge of all things Bondian. And was always very hostile

I thought Gravity's Silhouette was a CraignotBonder and would join us on this forum. But he seems to be a big fan of Daniel Craig and the reboot now and posts regularly on CommanderBond.

[JackWade CIA]

Where did CR lose you? It has plenty of action and was more of action flick than the last 20.

How do you figure that? It only had 3 major action setpieces (the African embassy scene, the Miami airport chase and the Venice climax) and the last of those was largely redundant. Most of the movie was based around a poker game.

I seem to have lost the battle on this. I consider CR to be closer to traditional action movies with violence thrown in every so often to keep the pace up. Bond movies traditionally had their own pacing, obviously there were formulaic elements injected at certain intervals but not the rigid structure general action movies have. I think CR follows the outside the Bond norm and used the Action movie templates closer to True Lies and other spy adventures movies.

I concede the end of the CR was too long and dragged on. After QoS I watched CR twice, I still enjoy it and appreciate what their goal was with that movie but have to admit the luster is starting to fade. Undeniably QOS damaged Craig's appeal as Bond, it certainly injured it for me.

[bjmdds]

Captain Nash wrote
I don't suppose you were Gravitys Silhouette in a former life were you? He had an impressive knowledge of all things Bondian. And was always very hostile

I thought Gravity's Silhouette was a CraignotBonder and would join us on this forum. But he seems to be a big fan of Daniel Craig and the reboot now and posts regularly on CommanderBond.

The Gravester is now pro-CR-egg? They must have brain washed him.

[FormerBondFan]

Captain Nash wrote
I don't suppose you were Gravitys Silhouette in a former life were you? He had an impressive knowledge of all things Bondian. And was always very hostile

I thought Gravity's Silhouette was a CraignotBonder and would join us on this forum. But he seems to be a big fan of Daniel Craig and the reboot now and posts regularly on CommanderBond.

The Gravester is now pro-CR-egg? They must have brain washed him.

Friend of yours BJ?

[bjmdds]

He was a major player when I joined MI6 years back and he detested all things CR-egg. I guess Sweeney et al tortured him to become brainwashed if he now accepts CR-egg as a proper Bond.

[FormerBondFan]

He was a major player when I joined MI6 years back and he detested all things CR-egg. I guess Sweeney et al tortured him to become brainwashed if he now accepts CR-egg as a proper Bond.

Assimilation. That's what DC's friends do.

[The Sweeney]

He was a major player when I joined MI6 years back and he detested all things CR-egg. I guess Sweeney et al tortured him to become brainwashed if he now accepts CR-egg as a proper Bond.

He no longer resides on MI6, but CBn instead. He made very bold statements back in 2006 about CR failing, and Craig failing as Bond. He never believed CR would rake in the money that it did. His posts sounded more like facts rather than opinions or predictions. It was usually along the lines of `Craig will be in one Bond film, then over. There is no chance in hell CR will make money at the BO - not even a slight chance - zilch, nada. It just will not happen....' etc.

And he used to run another Bond site a while back, and was very knowledgable about all things Bond at the BO (a bit like our very own Mazer here), so many people listened with intent whenever GS spoke. I actually thought he was a good guy, and worth listening to.

However, when he was proved spectacularly wrong in his predictions on CR, he boldly came out and said so. I admired him for that, when he had set himself up for a huge fall with his cast-iron predictions. So many people were ready to poke fun at him after all he had said before, but he had balls to come out and face it. He admitted he got it wrong, then slowly started to change his view once he saw CR and Craig's version. I think he was disappointed (like many of us were) with QoS though.

He was a good guy, and I've told him before he should think about joining here.

[Mazer Rackham]

Sean Connery held up production on Goldfinger when his back went out. Amazingly his back was better after signed a deal where he receives 5% of the grosses of each Bond film he starred in.

Never knew that.
Where on earth do you get all this information from?
Do you work in the film industry? It's not the kind of tidbits I've found on any other forum, or through searching the net.
I don't suppose you were Gravitys Silhouette in a former life were you? He had an impressive knowledge of all things Bondian. And was always very hostile.

OMG! This makes total sense. Connery always seemed resentful of Broccoli and Saltzman like they owed him money. His resentment never made any sense before. I always assumed he resented Broccoli and Saltzman for making so much money off his acting when he made so little in return. Maybe he really was owed money. Or thought he was.

Adjusted for inflation Thunderball is the highest grossing Bond right. So Connery was paid like a few hundred thousand dollars for his work. At least that is what I used to think. If this correct Connery made a few million dollars each movie long before Diamonds Are Forever was supposed to have broken the record pay for any actor in Hollywood.

Am I wrong? Have I missed something obvious?

Connery took UA and Cubby Court in the 1980s, he said they had not paid him what they had agreed to. It was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount, however Connery was demanding $225m and I doubt he settled for much less.

Cubby and Saltzman took good care of Connery. He was and still is the best paid of all the Bonds.
DAF made him famous for giving his $1m salary to charity, because it wasn't about the money right. But he still took home over $5m for that film alone and supposedly turned down $5.5m for LALD. He is also said to have turned down $1m offer to star in OHMSS and CR 1967. CR was to be a serious Bond film and Columbia wanted to partner with Cubby and Co to make it, Cubby and co were not interested after partnering with McClory for TB. So the story Babs tells all teary eyed about he dad wanting to make CR and not being able to are bunk. He could have made it if he wanted to and Connery could have stared in CR if he had wanted to make it without Cubby.

Considering the pay of other actors in the 1960s to 1970s Connery made out extremely well, he got a percentage of the movies profit and a percentage of merchandising profits. Lazenby and Moore and Dalton got rather bad deals in comparison. It took Moore 4 movies to workout a better deal.

[bjmdds]

Mazer, do you know Gravity's Silhouette? LALD could have been Connery's? Sean had enough yet did NSNA?

[Kristatos]

LALD could have been Connery's?

I thought that was fairly common knowledge.

[bjmdds]

I thought Connery was fed up with Bond after DAF.

[Kristatos]

I thought Connery was fed up with Bond after DAF.

He was, that's why he turned down LALD.

[Mazer Rackham]

No I am not GS. I am glad we got that settled although he sounds like a charming fellow.

Connery was fed up with Bond in YOLT, he turned down 2 lucrative offers CR and OHMSS. After a break of 3 years he came back for DAF, it was a two picture deal. I don't know why he did it really he turned down the same salary beforein 1967 & 1968 and then more for the next one. That probably puzzled Cubby the most, why would any one turn down the money and prestige of being Jame bond and he had two recalcitrant actors do it to his face. Still Cubby sent Connery scripts for every movie up to Octopussy, apparently Connery could have come back any time he wanted for whatever pay he desired, so sorry Roger old boy.

Of the could have beens' people talk about Lazenby is always at the top, however originally DAF was supposed to be Goldfinger 2 and John Gavin was signed to play Bond. Cubby had the class to pay his contract off in full when Connery came back.