The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Captain Nash]

Martin Campbell opened up both of his Bond films in a men's toilet. Coincidence or fixation? CR-egg's Defiance received no Oscar buzz. What a surprise.

Ummm bj, that was last year.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034303/awards

As for the other question...coincidence.

[Blowfeld]

Saw something over the weekend where the Mission Impossible 4 director (did we need a 4?) was recommending Jennifer Aniston as a Bond Girl, my reaction was if she is so great why doesn't he use her in MI:4?

[katied]

Saw something over the weekend where the Mission Impossible 4 director (did we need a 4?) was recommending Jennifer Aniston as a Bond Girl, my reaction was if she is so great why doesn't he use her in MI:4?

Jennifer Aniston as a Bond girl?Ummmm no. She needs to stick with what she knows-romantic comedies.

[Captain Nash]

Saw something over the weekend where the Mission Impossible 4 director (did we need a 4?) was recommending Jennifer Aniston as a Bond Girl, my reaction was if she is so great why doesn't he use her in MI:4?

Jennifer Aniston as a Bond girl?Ummmm no. She needs to stick with what she knows-romantic comedies.

But Bond 23 is going to have more comedy. And romance.
It's going to have alot more jokes and gags. Though a Bond romcom, can you imagine?
Oh God can you imagine?
If Eon go down that route, just get the queen of romcoms, Meg Ryan.
Quite right about Aniston though Blowers. Why doesn't the MI :4 director use her? Lovely, lovely girl, but not for Bond I feel.

[katied]

Meg Ryan hit a wall.At full speed.See also: Melanie Griffith.

Get Sandra Bullock(her cred just went up with the Oscar nomination and the Oscar win)

Nah....a Romcom Bond would make me lose faith in humanity.

[Kristatos]

Meg Ryan hit a wall.At full speed.See also: Melanie Griffith.

Get Sandra Bullock(her cred just went up with the Oscar nomination and the Oscar win)

Nah....a Romcom Bond would make me lose faith in humanity.

Weren't they talking about hiring Richard Curtis to write a Bond film at one point?

[bjmdds]

Romantic Comedy I take you mean by this phrase. For Bond, no way. Didn't Streisand looked miffed that the US troops were praised by the first female director to win an Oscar? Another bunch of frauds.

[katied]

I think Babs was happy a woman director won..not so happy about the praise for the troops.


Oh and as for Richard Curtis writing a Bond film-I hadn't heard that- Bond, Actually, anyone?

[Mazer Rackham]

Just been reading an article on Mi6 regarding the making of 'Die Another Day', upon reading it, it made me wonder could some of the developments surrounding this film be some of the reasons why Pierce Brosnan was not asked back for a fifth film?
There were alot more issues with this film than I had realised.
(snip)
The re-boot has never bothered me, but for some Bond fans it's an issue. I can't say it was required and had to be done. But at the same time, I really don't see why it's an issue for anyone. Afterall, it's not like the Bond series had great continuity uptill that point.

It seems like EON like to do things on the fly. QOS didn't have a script until about a millisecond before shooting started, and boy did it show?

As for the reboot, the reason it's an issue for me (I can't speak for anyone else) is that I found it distracting in CR. I was thinking about series continuity when I should have only cared about the plot and characters. I know continuity is low in the Bond films, but when I'm holding a philosophical debate with myself as to whether this can really be considered the same character as the previous 20 films as I'm watching the film in the cinema, something is profoundly wrong.

There were actually more issues with DAD than Benny listed, but there were even more problems with CR than there were with DAD and quadruple the problems for Quark.

By Benny's reasoning they should be keen to replace Craig.

[bjmdds]

And replace him they shall Mazer.

[The Sweeney]

And replace him they shall Mazer.

They certainly will replace him one day BJ, the same way every other actor has been replaced too. I doubt Craig will do more than 2 more films - so you haven't gone long to wait.......

[Captain Nash]

There were actually more issues with DAD than Benny listed, but there were even more problems with CR than there were with DAD and quadruple the problems for Quark.

By Benny's reasoning they should be keen to replace Craig.

Care to share them Mazzy?
I'm almost as interested with the goings on behind the camera, than the finished films themselves.
I knew DAD was plagued with issues, but didn't realise CR was aswell. QOS seemed like another TND to me. Script re-writes during filming, an unhappy cast, a general mess.
And it showed.
But Craig isn't getting replaced just yet. Fear not. EON have something special planned for him. They call it Bond 23.

[Mazer Rackham]

Lets not put the cart before the horse. MGM has got to be settled and who ever the new owners turn out to be need to set up shop. A lot can happen between now and then. Even in the best possible scenarios.

The Brocs had a good racket going, the double dip of getting paid for production and then taking a share of the profit, we'll see if the new owners feel differently about the arrangement, as MGM did in the 1990s. The only difference is Dalton was gone either way. It was good to keep him on board because the uncertainty of recast can cause its own turmoil. It also was a time where other interested parties wanted to buy Cubby out and recast Bond with anyone from Lazenby to Mel Gibson.

[Mazer Rackham]

There were actually more issues with DAD than Benny listed, but there were even more problems with CR than there were with DAD and quadruple the problems for Quark.

By Benny's reasoning they should be keen to replace Craig.

Care to share them Mazzy?
I'm almost as interested with the goings on behind the camera, than the finished films themselves.
I knew DAD was plagued with issues, but didn't realise CR was aswell. QOS seemed like another TND to me. Script re-writes during filming, an unhappy cast, a general mess.
And it showed.
But Craig isn't getting replaced just yet. Fear not. EON have something special planned for him. They call it Bond 23.

They had something special planned for Brozza too. It was called Bond 21!

QoS aka Quark was a total clusterfuck compared to anything else Eon has ever done. And That's without going into the misshapes on set and the Panamanians rioting.

Craig was one big problem CR had he really was small fries not up to the challenge. It is their job to make him look like he was and they should really be able to handle green talent better, as much as they've worked with it. CR and DAD had a ton of issues before the actors were ever called to a set, a lot of infighting and a lot of other disruptions. In some ways it is amazing anything they have done in the last 11 years has come off successfully at all.

2012 is an anniversary year, some small talk in small circles of a changes for this special occasion. Some of it is from people not yet in positions to implement them and maybe they never will be. Which may be good and it may be bad. One thing is painfully obvious, in a world of creative ideas Bond is nowhere near fully exhausted. The concept of him tickles the imagination of the population of the world just a potently as he did in 1962. People whose life work is creative endeavors have some wonderful concepts to sustain Bond moving forward. I am not talking about the lethargic Will Smith "black Bond", Angelina Jolie "lady Bond" and other similar tired fanboy like concepts.
There are careful and consider ideas out there that would re-energize and reinvigorate Bond. Bond's dilemma is those people aren't the ones sitting behind desks with doors marked producer.

If you think changing actors some how reinvigorates a franchise you are completely mistaken. An actor is a tool at the disposal of the director to tell a story, the spark of invigoration has to come from people who we will never see on camera.

[Blowfeld]

You shouldn't underestimate the creativity of the fans Mazer. Kristatos and JackWade have put out some very creative ideas for Bond stories.

What I consider a spanner in the works is the current writers obsession with inducing drama instead of telling a Bond story, they take from other sources as liberally as a TV series seeking the next dramatic edge they can use.

Some of ideas like Bond seeking out Vesper's child, Bond meeting his son from YOLT are just nonsense that should have died long before they were put to pen.

[katied]

You shouldn't underestimate the creativity of the fans Mazer. Kristatos and JackWade have put out some very creative ideas for Bond stories.

What I consider a spanner in the works is the current writers obsession with inducing drama instead of telling a Bond story, they take from other sources as liberally as a TV series seeking the next dramatic edge they can use.

Some of ideas like Bond seeking out Vesper's child, Bond meeting his son from YOLT are just nonsense that should have died long before they were put to pen.

EON would have been laughed out of the buisness if they had gone with the Vesper's kid storyline.Bond meeting his son might have flown in the early Bond films but as with the Vesper's kid storyline, it would have been goofed on.

[bjmdds]

Superman having a child doomed Superman Returns.

[katied]

The (insert name of character) having a kid they didn't know about smacks of desperation, IMO.

[Mazer Rackham]

The lost child gimmick is beneath contempt.

BTW It wasn't my intention to disparage the fanfiction writers, my focus was on the industry standards and how they have slipped with subpar work from professional writers, some of who don't have the experience required to write fan fiction.

Let me throw a small bone to Benny; DAD had a few more problems filming because of Brozza, nothing major, just small issues here and there sometimes delaying things. Which could be argued was the producer responsibility to smooth out. Getting hurt on set isn't anyone's fault it happens to young and old. Doesn't mean they are out of shape or careless. It happens all the time. Normally more is done to minimize the risk than the Bond producers have traditionally done.

[doubleoLisa]

Roger Moore broke his leg and kept acting. The old Hollywood stars could grin and bear it seems like all we hear about is every nick and scratch Brosnan and Craig got on stage.