The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Kristatos]

I was talking major flops, not "under performers", whatever that means.

It means films that aren't out-and-out flops, but which didn't do as well as they should have done at the box office. Like QOS, for example.

[Mazer Rackham]

Minority Report, Munich, Catch Me If You Can, The Terminal, & Artificial Intelligence: AI, all under preformed.

I was talking major flops, not "under performers", whatever that means. He's not cranking out the biggest blockbusters (Pirates, Dark Knight, Spider-Man) these days like he did in his prime, but he's still having a pretty healthy run, far more than you can say for a fellow "film school generation" director Copolla. I'm even more puzzled that you put CMIYC under the label "under performer".

When any studio approves funding for a Spielberg movie the expectations are for better than average preformance. Looking up CMIYC it did alright with initial production cost of 52m, worldwide 352m with approximately 150 days in circulation.
Saving Private Ryan, War of the Worlds, JP, are the kinds of numbers studios are looking for, not Amistad and Schindler's List. Any idiot can make a $300m grossing movie. Look at Michale Bay

[stockslivevan]

I was talking major flops, not "under performers", whatever that means.

It means films that aren't out-and-out flops, but which didn't do as well as they should have done at the box office. Like QOS, for example.

Successful, but not as successful as they could have been? Understood.

[Kristatos]

Saving Private Ryan, War of the Worlds, JP, are the kinds of numbers studios are looking for, not Amistad and Schindler's List. Any idiot can make a $300m grossing movie. Look at Michale Bay

But surely the expectations for a movie like Schindler's List or Amistad will be lower that for a film like Jurassic Park? A popcorn movie like JP is always going to put more bums on seats than a movie about a difficult subject like slavery or the Holocaust.

[katied]

Both the slavery and the Holocaust aren't exactly easy sells. The fact that Defiance didn't do well at the box office has more to do with the subject matter and(surprisingly) less to do with the fact Daniel Craig is involved with the movie.

[stockslivevan]

Both the slavery and the Holocaust aren't exactly easy sells. The fact that Defiance didn't do well at the box office has more to do with the subject matter and(surprisingly) less to do with the fact Daniel Craig is involved with the movie.

No Katied! You're ruining DCINB's agenda! You're supposed to say Craig is box office poison!

[katied]

Well,he is still box office poison,no matter what.But in the case of Defiance, he's not the only problem with the movie

[Mazer Rackham]

In the case of Defiance, Craig was supposed to drive ticket sales as well as stir up interest and he couldn't. He also thought it would be Oscar bate. As Brozza did a few years back with Seraphim Falls.

[katied]

The Tin Tin movie will get people defending it because of the fact that Spielberg and Craig are involved.

[Mazer Rackham]

Spielberg has a completly different set of defenders. His own people believe he is a living legend. In way he is but that doesn't make his current work worth a d**n.
TinTin may not work well on the big screen. Just as Craig overbearing preformance in whatever his role is will be the same crap re-dished again.

Only thing for certain is Craig will not make TinTin a hit.

[katied]

Spielberg has a completly different set of defenders. His own people believe he is a living legend. In way he is but that doesn't make his current work worth a d**n.
TinTin may not work well on the big screen. Just as Craig overbearing preformance in whatever his role is will be the same crap re-dished again.

Only thing for certain is Craig will not make TinTin a hit.

The Tin Tin movie has 3 things working against it(in exactly this order): 1)The title. Tin Tin And The Secret Of The Unicorn? *snicker*

2)The fact that Tin Tin is not that well known in the States


3) Craig's involvement(albeit minor).

[bjmdds]

The character Craig will play gets killed off. The question will be during which of the trilogy planned.

[katied]

The character Craig will play gets killed off. The question will be during which of the trilogy planned.

See, the trilogy thing is *proof* that people are afraid to tell Steven Spielberg no. The Golden Compass, anyone?That did well,but not well enough to make the other books in the series.

[John Drake]

The name Tintin is flop material? Right...No wait. What the hell am I talking about? You guys are only targeting Tintin because Craig is in it. :

Millions of people around the world, including me, love Tintin. So, yeah, it's a bit daft to act as if it's some unknown character plucked from nowhere. The success or failure of this film will have nothing to do with DC anyway because he has what amounts to a cameo as Red Rackham.

[katied]

The name Tintin is flop material? Right...No wait. What the hell am I talking about? You guys are only targeting Tintin because Craig is in it. :

Millions of people around the world, including me, love Tintin. So, yeah, it's a bit daft to act as if it's some unknown character plucked from nowhere. The success or failure of this film will have nothing to do with DC anyway because he has what amounts to a cameo as Red Rackham.

I've heard of Tin Tin..and people in the States who have come here from elsewhere or have lived elsewhere have heard of him.I wouldn't say your average person here in the States has,though. That's just what I think.

[Kristatos]

I've heard of Tin Tin..and people in the States who have come here from elsewhere or have lived elsewhere have heard of him.I wouldn't say your average person here in the States has,though. That's just what I think.

Tintin is probably better known, even in the States, than Men in Black or The Mask were before they were turned into movies.

[bjmdds]

Star Trek almost tied Ron Howard's recent nonsense, in it's SECOND weekend out, and it looks like ST is a huge hit, has an A rating on boxofficemojo, and has surpassed CR and QOS in the USA at it's 2nd weekend mark. Look for OVER $200 million in the USA. I will see it next Saturday. All those I know who saw it said it was a . The correct way to reboot a franchise, which was needed in ST's case vs. Bond, which needs to get back to normalcy. Wolfy is holding it's own at over $150 million after 3 weekends in the USA. With an explosion in movie popularity due to the worldwide recession and people going to movies more than ever, can you imagine the worldwide numbers Harry Potter will do in July? It could make a run at their own record, with ticket prices higher, and the anticipatory wait after not going head to head with Eon and Craig's trash last November. Look out record book!

[katied]

Star Trek almost tied Ron Howard's recent nonsense, in it's SECOND weekend out, and it looks like ST is a huge hit, has an A rating on boxofficemojo, and has surpassed CR and QOS in the USA at it's 2nd weekend mark. Look for OVER $200 million in the USA. I will see it next Saturday. All those I know who saw it said it was a . The correct way to reboot a franchise, which was needed in ST's case vs. Bond, which needs to get back to normalcy. Wolfy is holding it's own at over $150 million after 3 weekends in the USA. With an explosion in movie popularity due to the worldwide recession and people going to movies more than ever, can you imagine the worldwide numbers Harry Potter will do in July? It could make a run at their own record, with ticket prices higher, and the anticipatory wait after not going head to head with Eon and Craig's trash last November. Look out record book!

Star Trek was a good movie I'll probably give Angels and Demons a miss.The ads make it look a bit of a mess.

[bjmdds]

Purefoy will also star in an ABC miniseries this Sunday called Diamonds in addition to a summer series on NBC, The Philanthropist. He seems quite in demand by networks. Bond?

[katied]

It's something to consider...I don't think EON can take too many more failures,despite the fact that they are going forwards with that remake of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.