The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Blowfeld]

There would have been no ButlernotBond or CavillnotBond or JackmannotBond etc.

Yeah there would. Deanna Brayton was besotted with Pierce, and I doubt anyone else would have satisfied her (oh be-HAVE!). But most of us probably woudn't have been here (I know I wouldn't). It would have just been Crazy Deanna and her cats, like it was before CR was released, when the rest of us were all saying "c'mon, let's give the new guy a chance".

ButlernotBond or CavillnotBond or JackmannotBond would not have happened. The original CnB idea sprung from 007 fans, not the Deanna branch of Pierce fans. She became more involved later on.
Pierce fans have good reason to be upset with EONs shoddy treatment of him. Tragically the 007 enthusiasts opposed to the apparent change in tone and direction Daniel's appointment represented were over looked in favour of the riotous clamour from the Pierce Brosnan fan clubs.

[The Sweeney]

ButlernotBond or CavillnotBond or JackmannotBond would not have happened. The original CnB idea sprung from 007 fans, not the Deanna branch of Pierce fans. She became more involved later on.
Pierce fans have good reason to be upset with EONs shoddy treatment of him. Tragically the 007 enthusiasts opposed to the apparent change in tone and direction Daniel's appointment represented were over looked in favour of the riotous clamour from the Pierce Brosnan fan clubs.

How can you be certain it wouldn't have happened? We are in an instant internet age now, where some minority fans somewhere would not have been happy with the casting of Butler, or Cavill, or Jackman (incidentally, QoS is doing bigger BO than his Australia film - in Australia!!)

You are being slightly naive if you think the whole world would unite and embrace any casting decision for Bond other than Craig. The amount of people here unhappy with Craig, would be an equal amount to a group not happy back in 1969, 1973, 1987 and 1995 - its just the internet wasn't readily available to everyone back then (yes, even in 1995).

If Craig was such a massive failure as Bond, then why was CR such a big BO draw? Curiosity factor? OK.

Then explain the huge opening weekend for QoS, in America of all places. Curiosity factor again? No, not a second time. It was because people loved what they saw in CR, and wanted to see more in QoS.

[The Sweeney]

There would have been no ButlernotBond or CavillnotBond or JackmannotBond etc.

Yeah there would. Deanna Brayton was besotted with Pierce, and I doubt anyone else would have satisfied her (oh be-HAVE!). But most of us probably woudn't have been here (I know I wouldn't). It would have just been Crazy Deanna and her cats, like it was before CR was released, when the rest of us were all saying "c'mon, let's give the new guy a chance".

Well said, Kristatos. Sanity prevails.....

[The Sweeney]

Regardless of what anyone thinks of him, I believe Craig himself will not want to spend too long making James Bond films, especially ones like QOS. Roger Moore's record is safe.

I hope.

I can see Craig doing 4 films, maybe 5 at a push. No way 6, and definitely no way 7, so Moore's record is safe. I doubt anyone will beat that again.

[Blowfeld]

'The Sweeney' What are you going on about old man?
What I am saying is based what I know personally of the history of CnB to address the the notion of Butler,Cavillor, JackmannotBond. To that query there would be no equivalent of CnB for those actors.
The internet has changed since 2006. I'll not hazard wild guesses about what is possible in today's internet verses what actual was possible and happened in February 2006.

[The Sweeney]

'The Sweeney' What are you going on about old man?
What I am saying is based what I know personally of the history of CnB to address the the notion of Butler,Cavillor, JackmannotBond. To that query there would be no equivalent of CnB for those actors.
The internet has changed since 2006. I'll not hazard wild guesses about what is possible in today's internet verses what actual was possible and happened in February 2006.

Sorry, misunderstood you. I didn't realise you were talking about it purely from a CnB perspective. I thought you were stating that generally, no one else on this planet would have released an anti actor site, has it been anyone other than Craig chosen as Bond.

[Blowfeld]

'The Sweeney' What are you going on about old man?
What I am saying is based what I know personally of the history of CnB to address the the notion of Butler,Cavillor, JackmannotBond. To that query there would be no equivalent of CnB for those actors.
The internet has changed since 2006. I'll not hazard wild guesses about what is possible in today's internet verses what actual was possible and happened in February 2006.

Sorry, misunderstood you. I didn't realise you were talking about it purely from a CnB perspective. I thought you were stating that generally, no one else on this planet would have released an anti actor site, has it been anyone other than Craig chosen as Bond.

No I can't speak for the rest of the peanut gallery.
I am reminded that MySpace blossomed since 2006. Now the common man is joined in membership there by American presidential candidates and movie studios. An example of how the face of the internet has changed in the last few years. Not entirely convinced that it is a good thing.

[carl stromberg]

I'm not sure that the original CNB launched in March 2006 was simply "Deanna and her Pierce Brosnan loving cats". There were other people involved, and I think the "bring Pierce back" angle and Boycott petition were used simply to get publicity.

Craig was a radical choice. Although Casino Royale and it's new Bond were popular, he is still seen - by fans and the media - as a controversial choice which has divided fans. Ironically, many critics and fans are now sharing the views of the original CNB and the fans who complained when Craig was cast as Bond.

I can't envisage any serious divisions again: there is only one Daniel Craig.

The Sweeney:

If Craig was such a massive failure as Bond, then why was CR such a big BO draw? Curiosity factor? OK.

Then explain the huge opening weekend for QoS, in America of all places. Curiosity factor again? No, not a second time. It was because people loved what they saw in CR, and wanted to see more in QoS

Because it is another entry in Eons BOND series!!

Knowing my luck, in a few years they will probably cast someone I like as Bond and make a film I really enjoy - and it will be a giant flop.

[007]

There would have been no ButlernotBond or CavillnotBond or JackmannotBond etc.

Yeah there would. Deanna Brayton was besotted with Pierce, and I doubt anyone else would have satisfied her (oh be-HAVE!). But most of us probably woudn't have been here (I know I wouldn't). It would have just been Crazy Deanna and her cats, like it was before CR was released, when the rest of us were all saying "c'mon, let's give the new guy a chance".

The original CNB was started by Mario Bruno, a well known figure on Bond forums as AKB. AKB was so agahst at the casting of Craig he threatened an online protest and made good on his word with the first incarnation of CNB. He teamed up with the Brosnan maniacs because they shared his dismay. When he did a runner a few months before the film came out (because some twats on MI6 were printing his name/PO Box Number/Job) it suddenly became a nutty Pierce Brosnan fansite until the present incarnation which got rid of the Brosnan back angle and was more knowledgable about Bond.

So, if Craig hadn't been cast and Brosnan had been replaced by a Jackman or whoever, AKB would not have started CNB and he most certainly would not have started a JackmannotBond etc. He suggested many actors who should have been cast instead of Craig.

[John Drake]

I think there may have been a DustinDiamondnotBond.com.

[The Sweeney]

The original CNB was started by Mario Bruno, a well known figure on Bond forums as AKB. AKB was so agahst at the casting of Craig he threatened an online protest and made good on his word with the first incarnation of CNB. He teamed up with the Brosnan maniacs because they shared his dismay. When he did a runner a few months before the film came out (because some twats on MI6 were printing his name/PO Box Number/Job) it suddenly became a nutty Pierce Brosnan fansite until the present incarnation which got rid of the Brosnan back angle and was more knowledgable about Bond.

So, if Craig hadn't been cast and Brosnan had been replaced by a Jackman or whoever, AKB would not have started CNB and he most certainly would not have started a JackmannotBond etc. He suggested many actors who should have been cast instead of Craig.

I remember AKB. If CR had been a massive failure, his website would have been spot on....

[bjmdds]

Bruno actually lives near me. I never knew that until last year.

[carl stromberg]

The original incarnation was called CraigisnotBond. Those who liked Craig as "Bond" in Casino Royale thought it was a one-off special with a rookie "Bond", and therefore enjoyed Craig's perfomance, even though he was not really playing "Bond". But now most sane people - even fans of Craig in CR - agree that he was not "Bond" in Quantum of Solace....

So the Craig Not Bond concept was spot on! Victory is ours!

[Mazer Rackham]

I think there may have been a DustinDiamondnotBond.com.

No there would have been a collaborative assassination. The Kind of high level conspiracy that Oliver Stone so reckless sold a nation on in JFK.
Me and Sween would shoot the window out, Benny and Skywalker take out the principal with Stocks backing up alibis and Doctor No driving the getaway

[The Sweeney]

The original incarnation was called CraigisnotBond. Those who liked Craig as "Bond" in Casino Royale thought it was a one-off special with a rookie "Bond", and therefore enjoyed Craig's perfomance, even though he was not really playing "Bond". But now most sane people - even fans of Craig in CR - agree that he was not "Bond" in Quantum of Solace....

So the Craig Not Bond concept was spot on! Victory is ours!

Bruno's ambition was for people everywhere to boycott. Judging by the BO figures for both CR and QoS, doesn't look like there is much of a victory to rave about.

Also, most sane people, even fans of Craig in CR, are mainly complaining about the film, not the actor himself.

[Mazer Rackham]

Also, most sane people, even fans of Craig in CR, are mainly complaining about the film, not the actor himself.

Quark is the result of the direction chosen by the actor himself is the problem. This is the Bond he wanted to make and he is in it up to his eyeballs.

[Kristatos]

The original incarnation was called CraigisnotBond.

The original incarnation was called PierceisBond, before his replacement had even been cast.

[Mazer Rackham]

Sween I was about to say something nice about you then I find this. Now I am compelled to say, "Jesus! Sweeney!"

(incidentally, QoS is doing bigger BO than his Australia film - in Australia!!)

What the hell are you laughing at. You got it wrong about Jackman. Australia made a respectable $1.3m its opening day in Australia, may not be Quarks opening day of $2 million last week (or Twilight made $3.4m its opening day). Also Austria is not front loaded action film, it is long burn film with potential Oscar buzz about it.
Jackman is not starring in a franchise movies series (in this one), trying to compare a movie that nobody in the US (and elsewhere) is certain what it is about to a movies series around since 1962 is hardly fair. Besides where are Craig's none Broc related BO smashes? If you want to have a Jackamn V Craig comparison try X-Men Origins: Wolverine Vs Quark. That would be a more balanced comparison.

Besides I think Kidman may be BO poison

You are being slightly naive if you think the whole world would unite and embrace any casting decision for Bond other than Craig. The amount of people here unhappy with Craig, would be an equal amount to a group not happy back in 1969, 1973, 1987 and 1995 - its just the internet wasn't readily available to everyone back then (yes, even in 1995).

If Craig was such a massive failure as Bond, then why was CR such a big BO draw? Curiosity factor? OK.

Then explain the huge opening weekend for QoS, in America of all places. Curiosity factor again? No, not a second time. It was because people loved what they saw in CR, and wanted to see more in QoS.

I agree with you in part about another site protesting another actor after all anything can happen, but i think you may have to realize that this protest is primarily caused by Craig and its unique set of circumstance which would not have gone past a few angry post in the forums if another more suitable actors had been cast instead.
I doubt any of the yesbot Craig fans would know or care if another actor were cast, they'd take the secondhand slop given and be grateful no matter what.

I hate to break it to you but right now there is an actor signed to step in if Craig quits or something else unforeseeable happens to him. Not that that is unusual becasue they have always done that.

As I said yesterday

CRs improvement was only 75m over DADs take worldwide. Considering the 4 years between and new territories expanded to it is not entirely impressive.

Brozza could have done that in his sleep.
Seriously though there is no reason Bond movies are trapped in the bracket they are. Sony knows how to manage marketing smartly and I think with a Brozza or Jackman they would turn Bond in to Pirates of the Caribbean sized frachise. Unfortunately the Brocs are still there and meddle with everything.

Quark had crushing drop off last week and could potentially drop off another 40% this week. Other BO worldwide have experienced similar major drop offs. The ones that didn't tended to be much smaller venues.

[The Sweeney]

Sween I was about to say something nice about you then I find this. Now I am compelled to say, "Jesus! Sweeney!"

(incidentally, QoS is doing bigger BO than his Australia film - in Australia!!)

What the hell are you laughing at. You got it wrong about Jackman. Australia made a respectable $1.3m its opening day in Australia, may not be Quarks opening day of $2 million last week (or Twilight made $3.4m its opening day). Also Austria is not front loaded action film, it is long burn film with potential Oscar buzz about it.
Jackman is not starring in a franchise movies series (in this one), trying to compare a movie that nobody in the US (and elsewhere) is certain what it is about to a movies series around since 1962 is hardly fair. Besides where are Craig's none Broc related BO smashes? If you want to have a Jackamn V Craig comparison try X-Men Origins: Wolverine Vs Quark. That would be a more balanced comparison.

Ok, fair point about Australia. I withdraw my original childish post.

Now say something nice about me..........

[Mazer Rackham]

The original incarnation was called CraigisnotBond.

The original incarnation was called PierceisBond, before his replacement had even been cast.

I had not heard of PIB before this.
I do know that Babs Broc had wanted to get rid of Brozza much earlier, the studio (MGM) leaked it to test the waters. The Brozza estrogen brigade responded quickly and MGM saw no percentage in replacing him. In fact MGM refused Craig for the role (several times I think), it was not until after Sony bailed them out and Sony came to the helm that Craig was cast. However Sony was not enthused about Craig and required a 24 screen test process after they couldn't convince Babs to go with a more appropriate choice. Sony heads wanted someone else and a few times talked to Brozza about coming back. Once it was done they had no choice but to put there all behind it and of course no dissenting voice would be tolerated (or remembered) in there new happy idealistic nuclear family.