Overall, I'd say it was grounded more in a reality than most other Bond films, yes (apart from that awful freefall scene).James wrote: QOS was realistic?
God, I really hope not. I'd never want EON to return to a Bond film like that.....James wrote:
To be honest I'm glad I'm not Eon now because everyone is moaning at them for not making a traditional Bond film and they're stuck with Daniel Craig. I can't see him in a Diamonds Are Forever type film.
So if Gerard Butler was cast as Bond, you would protest?bjmdds wrote:I do not like Gerard Butler as a Bond candidate any longer. I have watched him enough now. He has a goofy facial quality and an awkwardness that is not right for Bond. Owen is too dull, lacks charisma for Bond as well. Hugh Jackman, right now, for me, has the needed qualities and the right 'stuff' to do 3 nice Bond films, in traditional style with an added SLIGHT 'edge' to his character;however, Eon would look for another cheap unknown, but Sony might do it right.
No doubt one of you would protest if someone else was chosen, or if you didn't, there would be someone else protesting.Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:So if Gerard Butler was cast as Bond, you would protest?bjmdds wrote:I do not like Gerard Butler as a Bond candidate any longer. I have watched him enough now. He has a goofy facial quality and an awkwardness that is not right for Bond. Owen is too dull, lacks charisma for Bond as well. Hugh Jackman, right now, for me, has the needed qualities and the right 'stuff' to do 3 nice Bond films, in traditional style with an added SLIGHT 'edge' to his character;however, Eon would look for another cheap unknown, but Sony might do it right.
The media built it up as a source of controversy, "just because" they could get away with it and needed a story to fill the time. Oddly in the information age the media has turned into lazy feckless pack of 9 to 5 clock punchers looking for way collect travel per diems. No real journalists out there any more.The Sweeney wrote:I guess you can thank the original CnB site for this. If it has succeeded in anything, it proved protesting will get noticed, if not by the general public, by reviewers and critics instead. It has started a trend now, one which I'm sure will happen again by the time the next Bond is chosee.
Really? After a standard of 40 years was turned on its head you think there'll be a problem overturning a 2 year old one?The Sweeney wrote: The longer his tenure goes on, the more people will expect that kind of Bond in the future....
Now now Razer. You are not usually known for doing sweeping generalised statements like that. Usually you'd be having a go at me for doing it.Mazer Rackham wrote: Craig hasn't brought in a new audience and now people are clamoring for the old style Bond again.
(this post is bit of a mess becasue I didn't feel like splitting up your post to respond... Sorry just lazy todayThe Sweeney wrote:Now now Razer. You are not usually known for doing sweeping generalised statements like that. Usually you'd be having a go at me for doing it.Mazer Rackham wrote: Craig hasn't brought in a new audience and now people are clamoring for the old style Bond again.
How can you be certain there isn't a new audience with Craig? CR certainly won over new critics and new fans (my wife for one), and QoS still has a long way to go yet before its time is up (still at least another month at the BO, then the DVD release). Plus the release of the video game - a whole new set of fans to be won over right there.
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First of all, I just watched The Bourne Ultimatum two night's ago. I did not like the rapid shaking cameras during the fight scenes in The Bourne Ultimatum and I certainly felt the same way about The Bourne Mimicry. I felt as if I was watching the same film twice in terms of action, car chases, roof top chases, etc. Pure Mimicry. For those who delve into this 'realistic' portrayal of Bond by Craig, I have this to say. How many doors, windows, and glass frames can Craig's Bond break through without breaking a single bone in his body, no limping, no apparant loss of function, just facial cuts as the end result? If Brosnan had done this, he would have been mocked. Next, the Superman flying routine by Craig out of the plane was a mockery as well, and again, Brosnan would have been laughed at for that same scene. There was also a disturbing underlying political theme in this film which no review anywhere has addressed and it goes to Craig's, Haggis', Forster's, and even Eon's it seems, liberal political view of the world. This film portayed the USA and the UK as the 'bad guys' in the world whose only ambition was to obtain oil at any cost. Craig's Bond statement to M in regards to the USA and oil was a direct attack on USA policies. In Connery's era, we knew who the bad countries were and it was left to the USA and the UK to save the world. There was a deliberate shot taken by the producers/director/writer of TBM in their obvious protest to the Iraq war, where the USA and the UK were at the forefront, to cast a negative light on both of our governments, and I personally take offense at it. This film had little ecological underlying themes to me, and the villains and the poverty stricken back drops were totally unappealing as well. This film looked like it was quickly edited as well, and the Bond gun firing sequence at the end was no change for the better as well. TBM is a Rambo,Transporter, Bourne, Die Hard type of film. The theme song was trash. Vesper's boyfriend's role was far too short. I found little if any feel to this as a Bond film. Again, Craig is NOT Bond. In all, not a film I care to see twice in the theatres, and I would rather watch NSNA instead. At least that film was based on a TRUE Bond character. By the way, there were 18 people TOTAL in the noon time showing on Thanksgiving in the theatre. That does not bode well for the film's long term success.
Interesting review bj, and you are right about the politics angle. I honestyly think you are the first person to bring it up, but you do have a point. There was definitely an underlying anti American agenda in the film....bjmdds wrote:I just came back from seeing The Bourne Mimicry, official title is Quantum Of Solace.
It depends on how many fans Craig wins over in his 4 films as Bond. Without trying to generalise too much, I think its fair to say CR has now past into movie folklore as a success (despite how many of you here hate that). It is looking more and more likely that QoS is something of a disappointment after the success of CR, but whether it flops at the cinema in the long run, we'll find out for sure in a few more weeks time. Despite all this, bizarrely Craig is still not being pictured as a failure by the majority of critics. On the contaray, many are hailing him as the second coming.007 wrote:There would have been no ButlernotBond or CavillnotBond or JackmannotBond etc. The opposition to Craig is down to his mug (and to a much lesser extent his height, or lack of it/and blond bog-brush hair). So no one is going to slag off the next Bond because, unless Barbara has finally gone completely around the bend, the next actor CAN'T fail to look about a hundred times more like James Bond than Craig Daniels. The tradition is for the new actor to be hyped beyond his actual talents and appeal and the previous actor, who immediately becomes the old, to get an element of retrospective criticism. So roll on the next Bond actor. He's already my favourite actor of all time and I have no idea who he is.
P.S: Has Daniel Craig resigned yet?
If was the first thing that had to go when we got married. I firmly layed down the law with her - `It's me, or Pierce. You decide!!'Mazer Rackham wrote: If you wife was going to continue living with you I guess she had to do away with her Pierce Bond poster
Also anti-UK.The Sweeney wrote:Interesting review bj, and you are right about the politics angle. I honestyly think you are the first person to bring it up, but you do have a point. There was definitely an underlying anti American agenda in the film....bjmdds wrote:I just came back from seeing The Bourne Mimicry, official title is Quantum Of Solace.
Yes...and UK.bjmdds wrote:Also anti-UK.
The Sweeney wrote:It depends on how many fans Craig wins over in his 4 films as Bond. Without trying to generalise too much, I think its fair to say CR has now past into movie folklore as a success (despite how many of you here hate that). It is looking more and more likely that QoS is something of a disappointment after the success of CR, but whether it flops at the cinema in the long run, we'll find out for sure in a few more weeks time. Despite all this, bizarrely Craig is still not being pictured as a failure by the majority of critics. On the contaray, many are hailing him as the second coming.007 wrote:There would have been no ButlernotBond or CavillnotBond or JackmannotBond etc. The opposition to Craig is down to his mug (and to a much lesser extent his height, or lack of it/and blond bog-brush hair). So no one is going to slag off the next Bond because, unless Barbara has finally gone completely around the bend, the next actor CAN'T fail to look about a hundred times more like James Bond than Craig Daniels. The tradition is for the new actor to be hyped beyond his actual talents and appeal and the previous actor, who immediately becomes the old, to get an element of retrospective criticism. So roll on the next Bond actor. He's already my favourite actor of all time and I have no idea who he is.
P.S: Has Daniel Craig resigned yet?
If the third one flops at the BO, and/or is even more slated by the critics than QoS, then I think Craig may quit as Bond then, and someone else will step in.
If however, EON get it right again with Bond 23, and deliver a hard edged Bond fused with a return to traditional elements, and is a runaway success at the BO and with the critics, then Craig is going to be a hard act to replace, even harder than Pierce.
I doubt many of you will agree with any of this, but there you go.....
Yeah there would. Deanna Brayton was besotted with Pierce, and I doubt anyone else would have satisfied her (oh be-HAVE!). But most of us probably woudn't have been here (I know I wouldn't). It would have just been Crazy Deanna and her cats, like it was before CR was released, when the rest of us were all saying "c'mon, let's give the new guy a chance".007 wrote:There would have been no ButlernotBond or CavillnotBond or JackmannotBond etc.
