The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[English Agent]

The fact that TBM is not critically acclaimed just might give Eon and Craig the impetus to part ways now. Sex And The City's $152 million USA total might even give TBM a run for it's money. Do I hear Hugh Jackman?

Why would they drop Craig? He has been the only success in the release of QoS. Almost no critics are blaming him at all for the film, in fact they highlight he is the only decent thing in it.

The only damaging thing coming out of QoS by the critics is the film itself, not the actor. You've missed the point here, bj....

Yes...thats correct!

I wonder what DC really thinks of QOS!!

I get the impression he's more interested in the critical acclaim than the BO of his films!

EA

ps: Arthur_Brain has been retired

[bjmdds]

Craig is playing Bond. He has been described as bored looking, dour, sour, etc., so don't tell me he is not the central problem here. Eon has redesigned their franchise to Bourne and used Craig as their vehicle to drive it home. Craig cannot play a standard Bond, it just won't work, so don't say it will. His forte in acting is odd-beat portrayals. He was used by Eon here as nothing more than a stand-in Bond prop stunt man. This garbage about exploring Bond's inner pysche with Craig is a joke. All previous 5 Bonds worked with their scripts and made them enjoyable to watch. Craig is just the opposite. He does not fit into the realm of a distinguished gentlemen and both the critics and the public, outside of course these Craig fanatics, have finally caught on. Do not think TBM will easily top Cr's international numbers either. Just watch the UK's total response this time. Thanksgiving weekend in the USA will toll the death knell on this pile of Bourne in the USA as well and as I have said, this film might be done in the USA, or greatly cut back in theatres, comes Christmas week.

[The Sweeney]

BJ, you are obviously taking note of the negative reviews, but ignoring the parts where they nearly all still praise Craig.

Are you having selective memory here or something? Even if QoS is a failure at the BO (which I seriously doubt), Craig has still been a hit with nearly all critics.

[katied]

Twilight made $35,700,00, QOS $8,750,00 according to reports.So yeah,a pretty big margin.

[carl stromberg]

BJ, you are obviously taking note of the negative reviews, but ignoring the parts where they nearly all still praise Craig.

Are you having selective memory here or something? Even if QoS is a failure at the BO (which I seriously doubt), Craig has still been a hit with nearly all critics.

The negative reviews have attacked Craig's approach to Bond this time - "..he's like the Teminator", "a psychopath" , "humourless", "one facial expression" etc. Many are saying Craig has done well with the duff part he was given, which is being polite or a constructive criticism suggesting that he should change his approach. Either way it spells the end for Barbara and Craig's new Bond character.

[Skywalker]

I hope they don't make Jason Bourne into a James Bond type character.

Too late. Babs has ensured James Bond is now a Jason Bourne type character.

[oscartheman]

Craig is playing Bond. He has been described as bored looking, dour, sour, etc., so don't tell me he is not the central problem here. Eon has redesigned their franchise to Bourne and used Craig as their vehicle to drive it home. Craig cannot play a standard Bond, it just won't work, so don't say it will. His forte in acting is odd-beat portrayals. He was used by Eon here as nothing more than a stand-in Bond prop stunt man. This garbage about exploring Bond's inner pysche with Craig is a joke. All previous 5 Bonds worked with their scripts and made them enjoyable to watch. Craig is just the opposite. He does not fit into the realm of a distinguished gentlemen and both the critics and the public, outside of course these Craig fanatics, have finally caught on. Do not think TBM will easily top Cr's international numbers either. Just watch the UK's total response this time. Thanksgiving weekend in the USA will toll the death knell on this pile of Bourne in the USA as well and as I have said, this film might be done in the USA, or greatly cut back in theatres, comes Christmas week.

right on!

The negative reviews have attacked Craig's approach to Bond this time - "..he's like the Teminator", "a psychopath" , "humourless", "one facial expression" etc. Many are saying Craig has done well with the duff part he was given, which is being polite or a constructive criticism suggesting that he should change his approach. Either way it spells the end for Barbara and Craig's new Bond character.

They are being told bring back Bond or don't bother coming back. Craig is unconformable and out of place as bond. Can you imagine the stink coming off the next one where he woodenly tries to mimic Connery. It is painful to think about. More painful to watch. I hope craig cashes in his chips and bows out. He makes a 3rd it may flop out of the box becasue of Quantum of Turd.

[Kristatos]

I wonder if this site's bad reputation might be responsible for the critics' unwillingness to apportion any blame to Craig for the things they disliked about QOS? Because of Brayton's and Scojo's histrionics, the critics might not want to seem to be handing us ammunition, much as Martin Scorcese's preposterous The Last Temptation of Christ got undeservedly good reviews, because nobody wanted to appear to take the side of the religious extremists who were trying to ban it.

[Skywalker]

BJ, you are obviously taking note of the negative reviews, but ignoring the parts where they nearly all still praise Craig.

Are you having selective memory here or something? Even if QoS is a failure at the BO (which I seriously doubt), Craig has still been a hit with nearly all critics.

The negative reviews have attacked Craig's approach to Bond this time - "..he's like the Teminator", "a psychopath" , "humourless", "one facial expression" etc. Many are saying Craig has done well with the duff part he was given, which is being polite or a constructive criticism suggesting that he should change his approach. Either way it spells the end for Barbara and Craig's new Bond character.

I've yet to see QOS, although I'm planning to see it tomorrow night with the Mrs. After reading this particular thread it was interesting to read both EA (I prefer Arthur by the way) and the Sweenster. Both guys have been disappointed by the style and direction of Bond. Maybe Bond 23 may have to revert back to more traditional Bond traits which will be interesting times for both DC and Babs.

[Mazer Rackham]

Twilight made $35,700,00, QOS $8,750,00 according to reports.So yeah,a pretty big margin.

The important thing about Twilight's 35.7m is those are supposed to be actual numbers, where as quarks is an estimate. I don't trust Summit so we'll see.

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Official projections are 
1. Twilight ($70,553,000)
2. Bolt ($27,000,000)
3.Quark

My count based on the estimates is Quark is 2nd with 27.4m. I think they are anticipating the estimates for Quark being over inflated and Bolt's to surprise by surging upward.
All in all Quark suffered a staggering 59-60% drop off.

[English Agent]

BJ, you are obviously taking note of the negative reviews, but ignoring the parts where they nearly all still praise Craig.

Are you having selective memory here or something? Even if QoS is a failure at the BO (which I seriously doubt), Craig has still been a hit with nearly all critics.

The negative reviews have attacked Craig's approach to Bond this time - "..he's like the Teminator", "a psychopath" , "humourless", "one facial expression" etc. Many are saying Craig has done well with the duff part he was given, which is being polite or a constructive criticism suggesting that he should change his approach. Either way it spells the end for Barbara and Craig's new Bond character.

I've yet to see QOS, although I'm planning to see it tomorrow night with the Mrs. After reading this particular thread it was interesting to read both EA (I prefer Arthur by the way) and the Sweenster. Both guys have been disappointed by the style and direction of Bond. Maybe Bond 23 may have to revert back to more traditional Bond traits which will be interesting times for both DC and Babs.

Good to see you back 'Skywalker'

Look forward to your review on the film.

One piece of advice, you really have to concentrate on the film, particularly the first 30 mins, or otherwise you'll be brainwashed!!

EA

[carl stromberg]

I wonder if this site's bad reputation might be responsible for the critics' unwillingness to apportion any blame to Craig for the things they disliked about QOS? Because of Brayton's and Scojo's histrionics, the critics might not want to seem to be handing us ammunition, much as Martin Scorcese's preposterous The Last Temptation of Christ got undeservedly good reviews, because nobody wanted to appear to take the side of the religious extremists who were trying to ban it.

I think that is true. Because of the abuse Craig received when he was cast, critics do not want to slag off Daniel Craig and instead put the blame elements of the production. Or they may just feel he is a good Bond but the film was poor.

EA will always be Arthur.

[katied]

Can I say something?It's an appeal to anyone here who might be going to the movies on Thanksgiving: PLEASE see anything *except* for Twilight. Not that I think anyone here will be tempted to see it,mind you,but see anything-it doesn't have to be QOS-just not the Crappy Vampire Movie

[English Agent]

Can I say something?It's an appeal to anyone here who might be going to the movies on Thanksgiving: PLEASE see anything *except* for Twilight. Not that I think anyone here will be tempted to see it,mind you,but see anything-it doesn't have to be QOS-just not the Crappy Vampire Movie

Have you seen this film 'Twilight' Katied.

I've noticed that after Fridays euphoric boxoffice the film has come back down to earth suddenly.

I get the impression its a weak film story wise, withe a pretty faced boy!!!!

The film did some damage to QOS and other films early on, but QOS picked up somewhat during the weekend, and ended up with $27.4 mil. A bit dissapointing as it was expected to gross over $30 mil.

Mind you QOS did very well overseas, grossing $40.6 mil, for a now worldwide total of $418 mil.

It makes u wonder that if QOS had actually been a splendid film, then how well the film would of done business wise.

EA

[katied]

I haven't seen it,admittedly..but reviews have been mixed,not just from reviewers,but from actual *fans*. Of course there are a lot of people who LOVED it and saw it multiple times the day it came out(not much of that happening with QOS)

[Mazer Rackham]

I get the impression its a weak film story wise, withe a pretty faced boy!!!!

Nobody is going to make that mistake about Craig

The film did some damage to QOS and other films early on, but QOS picked up somewhat during the weekend, and ended up with $27.4 mil. A bit dissapointing as it was expected to gross over $30 mil.

Mind you QOS did very well overseas, grossing $40.6 mil, for a now worldwide total of $418 mil.

It makes u wonder that if QOS had actually been a splendid film, then how well the film would of done business wise.

EA

418m just barely pays back the 360m spent. Sure there are incentives Sony is counting on to bring the cost own for the books, but the amount spent is still staggering and the films steam is gone.

The big question is if the substandard Quark has fatally wounded the brand with Craig as the lead.

[bjmdds]

TBM facts in the USA: Weekend One take= $67.5 million.....weekend 2 estimate= $27.4 million and probably lower....let's do the math, shall we? We have a 60% drop off....Does Eon like this? In the UK, after 4 complete weekends, a $71.2 million total so far(CR did $105 million final total). It's going to be tough to call these great numbers for Eon, don't you think?....DAD did $31 million it's second weekend in 2002 by the way.

[The Sweeney]

TBM facts in the USA: Weekend One take= $67.5 million.....weekend 2 estimate= $27.4 million and probably lower....let's do the math, shall we? We have a 60% drop off....Does Eon like this? In the UK, after 4 complete weekends, a $71.4 million total so far(CR did $105 million final total). It's going to be tough to call these great numbers for Eon, don't you think?....DAD did $31 million it's second weekend in 2002 by the way.

Ok, let's do the maths....how much did CR or DAD make in total in their second US weekend, because the opening weekend for QoS has been considerably bigger. QoS total for second weekend = $94.9.

And how much did CR make after 4 complete weekends in the UK....?

[English Agent]

TBM facts in the USA: Weekend One take= $67.5 million.....weekend 2 estimate= $27.4 million and probably lower....let's do the math, shall we? We have a 60% drop off....Does Eon like this? In the UK, after 4 complete weekends, a $71.4 million total so far(CR did $105 million final total). It's going to be tough to call these great numbers for Eon, don't you think?....DAD did $31 million it's second weekend in 2002 by the way.

Ok, let's do the maths....how much did CR or DAD make in total in their second US weekend, because the opening weekend for QoS has been considerably bigger. QoS total for second weekend = $94.9.

And how much did CR make after 4 complete weekends in the UK....?

Right.......it can be a right chore explaining BO to people, as people pick all sorts of random figures to use in their arguments.........for e.g. see the posts at 'MI6'.

Firstly, yes the 2nd weekend take of QOS was lower than expected.
Over $30mil was expected, but 'TWILIGHT's opening Friday did some serious damage to the other pictures in the frame, when people who would probably of gone to see QOS were dragged along with their friends to see Twilight.
QOS did somewhat recover on Saturday and Sunday.

Off the top of my head i believe after 2nd weekend CR had a total of around $94mil and QOS has around $109mil.

This 3rd week will be the last week for QOS to make serious money daily and at the thanksgiving weekend. In fact i wouldn't be surprised to see QOS get close to $18mil for the w/end, in comparison CR did about $15mil and DAD about $12.8 mil on a normal 3rd weekend.

Overseas, Bond is still going very strong, a $40.6 mil weekend was better than the late 30's people were expecting.
Recond breaking openings in Australia and Spain helped, plus the strong holdovers in the UK and Germany. Though some of the smaller markets have dropped quite a lot.

After the next weekend i can see QOS's BO in the US and Overseas dwindling quite quickly, mind you QOS still has to play in a couple of S.American markets, NZ and then finally Japan in January.

Worldwide gross, well definitely over $500 mil, but to reach CR''s $594-599 mil ????

'Sweeney' see 'Tubes' adjusted BO list at 'MI6' for CR''s adjusted figure.

Now regarding the UK, in terms of £ QOS is still ahead of CR. CR had grossed just under £42 mil by the end of its 4th weekend, QOS has a few mil more, but i can't give an exact figure until the UK BO is published tomorrow or Wedsnesday, as of now the figure is only quoted in US $.
Now in terms of US $, QOS looks very unlikely to match CR's figure of between $105-110mil, solely due to the fact of the dollar value. In 2006 the £1 = $2, now £1 = $1.5 (or 5 jelly beans ). OK chaps.

EA

[Kristatos]

TBM facts in the USA: Weekend One take= $67.5 million.....weekend 2 estimate= $27.4 million and probably lower....let's do the math, shall we? We have a 60% drop off

Just under, according to the weekend estimates chart on Box Office Mojo. We'll see what the true figure is when the actuals are released this afternoon. If they have to adjust downwards again, it may actually be over 60%