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katied wrote:Some movies (rhymes with "Pie another Tray") came close to wrecking the Bond franchise,but I think whenever a movie like that comes along that causes Mike n Babs to take a step back somewhat and regroup.At least that's what I think.I could be off base.
No where close. The frachise was d**n good shape and if they had a toned down movie in 2004 it would have broken records too. Most people now dissing it loved it in 2002. In fact I know of some reviews that admit they like/loved it in 2002 and reconsidered it only after CR. Part of that reconsideration is becasue of the coordinated effort behind the Craig offensive. Craig only made sense (yeah, but not really) if the old series was broken. So that was the tactic used.

They (Eon) only regrouped after they had no ideas and Brozza was trying to jump start production himself. Obviously they had no ideas left after CR, and immediately after DAD they were all talk and stall. Sounds familiar don't it.

Bottom line a 556m movie that didn't alienate Bond fans and didn't earn abject hatred, was not a frachise killing movie. LTK, OHMSS, TMWGG, were frachise killing movies that left the frachise at a weakened state.

I do think you are right, anything that makes them take a step back tends to be good becasue the next ones produced is better. However DAD wasn't what made them take a pause, it was being bereft of ideas. I fear the same thing is evident here.
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[quote="Mazer Rackham"]otherwise we may never see a Bond film again for a while........fortuantely
Whoa, EA!

:D ]You seem to of misinterpreted my post.............the word 'fortunately' was the beginning of another sentence, and not linked to that first part of that quote.

I wont split up my sentences with ....................dots in the future.

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I do think you are right, anything that makes them take a step back tends to be good becasue the next ones produced is better. However DAD wasn't what made them take a pause, it was being bereft of ideas. I fear the same thing is evident here.
Referring to DAD...It wasn't just bad ideas...it was a bad director too.Sorry,but it's true :mrgreen:

Oh and Twilight was #1 at the U.S. box office this weekend.

I've lost my will to live :lol:
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katied wrote:
I do think you are right, anything that makes them take a step back tends to be good becasue the next ones produced is better. However DAD wasn't what made them take a pause, it was being bereft of ideas. I fear the same thing is evident here.
Referring to DAD...It wasn't just bad ideas...it was a bad director too.Sorry,but it's true :mrgreen:

Oh and Twilight was #1 at the U.S. box office this weekend.

I've lost my will to live :lol:
Do you think TWILIGHT will dissapate quickly in the US.........or are there still millions of teenage girls who havn't seen the film yet?

QOS took a bit of a tumble Friday, but still got just under $9mil..........should end up with around $25mil this w/end.

Surprised BOND beat BOLT.............but Sunday is kiddies film day!

It looks like our North American members here have entered the 'TWILIGHT' zone this weekend :D

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Ugh,I hope Twilight goes away.The quicker the better...I'm possibly going to see QOS again on Thanksgiving(we usually go to a movie on Thanksgiving,...as do a LOT of people)The big 3(Twilight, QOS and Bolt) could make a LOT of money then.
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katied wrote:Ugh,I hope Twilight goes away.The quicker the better...I'm possibly going to see QOS again on Thanksgiving(we usually go to a movie on Thanksgiving,...as do a LOT of people)The big 3(Twilight, QOS and Bolt) could make a LOT of money then.
It must be great for you in the US to have a big thanksgiving holiday, and then in a few weeks do it all over again with Xmas.
Mind you i expect its expensive for some families.
I too expect to see QOS for a third and final time, and then i can forget about Bond for a few years! :D

AB :typing:
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Not everyone buys into the Twilight garbage..my niece is in the intended age group for the movie and the books(she's 17)and *she* thinks its crap.She saw QOS and liked it :up:
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TBM has dropped 68% from opening Friday to yesterday, and will NOT even top $30 million it's second weekend, and it will do LESS than CR did! CR dropped only 25% it's second weekend in the USA. Eon must be scratching their heads now. The UK has topped out, and outside the new revenue from Nashland, this film is on the DEEEECLINE now my friends. NO good word of mouth and with EA and the Sweenster on board, the experiment could be over.
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Arthur Brain wrote:
Mazer Rackham wrote:otherwise we may never see a Bond film again for a while........fortuantely
Whoa, EA!

:D ]You seem to of misinterpreted my post.............the word 'fortunately' was the beginning of another sentence, and not linked to that first part of that quote.

I wont split up my sentences with ....................dots in the future.

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OH! I thought that was a drastic and dramatic statment coming from you. The way it was in the post I didn't associate it with the next sentence. :cheers:
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Arthur Brain wrote:
katied wrote:
I do think you are right, anything that makes them take a step back tends to be good becasue the next ones produced is better. However DAD wasn't what made them take a pause, it was being bereft of ideas. I fear the same thing is evident here.
Referring to DAD...It wasn't just bad ideas...it was a bad director too.Sorry,but it's true :mrgreen:

Oh and Twilight was #1 at the U.S. box office this weekend.

I've lost my will to live :lol:
Do you think TWILIGHT will dissapate quickly in the US.........or are there still millions of teenage girls who havn't seen the film yet?

QOS took a bit of a tumble Friday, but still got just under $9mil..........should end up with around $25mil this w/end.

Surprised BOND beat BOLT.............but Sunday is kiddies film day!

It looks like our North American members here have entered the 'TWILIGHT' zone this weekend :D

AB
$35,700,000 (confirmed) for Twilight somebody sure as hell is going to the zone. In one day they almost about made what Summit claims it cost to produce.

Blot will make comeback today and tomorrow. Quark will be lucky to secure 3rd place, although it should becasue I think Madagascar it is running out of gas, but if kids flood to it anyway it might surprise.

Just a guess from Quarks first day numbers I'll guess around 25m for the weekend it could go as high as 36m but so far the numbers don't suggest it.
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The Sweeney wrote:To be honest, right now disappointment has kicked in for me with QoS, so I couldn't really care less what it takes at the BO. I'm more concerned about the film itself, and what the critics thought of it.

Why hadn't they stuck to the winning formula created with CR? Action and Fleming? They could have used the unused novel YOLT for Bond 22, and TMWTGG for Bond 23, to complete a Fleming trilogy, while chucking parts from DAF and TSWLM too into the mix.

But instead, they give us a rushed, unfinished film, with an `original' storyline that has no resemblence to the novels. The writers have shown now they are incapable of writing anything decent which has nothing to do with Fleming. CR only worked because of its heavy reliance on the novel.

And while we are at it - that awful, crappy, pathetic excuse for a song. David Arnold would have come up with something much better than that garbage. Can't EON do something masterful and magical, like bring John Barry back for Bond 23. Ok, he's getting on a bit, but how about a collaboration with Arnold and Barry, and Barry can write the next song.

There you go. The winning recipe for Bond 23. Barry, Arnold, YOLT/TMWTGG storyline - ditch Forster and bring back Campbell, someone who understands Fleming.
Oh dear..............i know how u feel............QOS being a dissapointment! :cry:

The film as you've said had a feeling of a project being rushed, scenes seemed incomplete, storyline was vague at best.
Rather than being made short, the film would of been better if it had been longer, but it appears the writers hadn't come up with enough of a story to fill the film out.
What i don't understand is the producers were working on this film at the end of production for CR!.........and were talking about a May 2008 release date, so what were they working on?
For Bond 23, the producers need to get some new writers..........badly
Get a director who has experience of action/drama films, and uses conventional filming techniques (i.e. u can c wots going on!)
Bring back the second-unit action teams from previous Bonds.
Forget trying to make Bond films as per other franchises.
When scheduling the films production, add some more time to the post-production (though it wasn't a problem on previous Bonds)
and as you have said let Arnold be involved with the main title song.

I mean can you imagine buying a Bond CD in the future with all those classic Barry scores, and then suddenley listening to
the White/Keys song? :shock:

Whats annoying is that people have spoken to me at work how glad they were that CR was such an improvement in the Bond franchise only for the next film QOS to of brought the franchise down again.

I really hope the producers take on board the comments by the reviews and the feedback from the public on the film.

QOS was an OK film...........but OK is not good enough, for the millions of moviegoers who look forward to seeing these films.

The BO of QOS is very important!..........otherwise we may never see a Bond film again for a while........fortuantely
the loyal going public, based on the excellent CR went to see QOS intially in droves..............but i hope the producers realise that, and not that the film was a success on its own merit..............otherwise Bond 23 could be made the same.

To sum up.....i think QOS was a project too big for Forster and his team of editors etc who hadn't worked on this type of film before, but were persuaded by the producers to make this film. Unfortunately, the producers didn't understand that Forsters experience on films, was to spend months on editing his films.........and he was just not given this opportunity.
As Forster has gone on record as saying, he had to make comprimises to the film during editing (no, this should not happen :shock: ).
The script was poor, the story and characters needed better clarification and depth.

AB :cry:

ps: Martin Campbell.........please come back!!!
Arthur, I just jousted with that moron(and I never use negative connotations as you know)Jack Wade on MI6. I even had DogBond on MY SIDE as well, if you can believe that. I think your 'fiends' at MI6 are not going to be too happy as both you and Sweeney have now realized that my aptly named The Bourne Mimicry is a major disappointment and has exposed Eon as a fraud in the originality arena. A steep box office decline is now occurring and it will even get steeper. This film might even be pulled before Christmas in the USA or be drastically reduced in showings in the USA. I am very curious about the UK's take this weekend. It was only $8.6 million last weekend. :cheers:
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bjmdds wrote:TBM has dropped 68% from opening Friday to yesterday, and will NOT even top $30 million it's second weekend. CR dropped only 25% it's second weekend in the USA. Eon must be scratching their heads now. The UK has topped out, and outside the new revenue from Nashland, this film is on the DEEEECLINE now my friends. NO good word of mouth and with EA and the Sweenster on board, the experiment could be over.
Yep a big drop for QOS, most sources thought the film could do at least $30 mil, but now $25 mil looks like a tough target, based that the film will make a slightly better gross on Saturday, but then plummet bigtime on Sunday!!

The only saving grace for QOS is that its 3rd weekend falls over thanksgiving.

Its not going to be easy for QOS to now reach $200mil..........and it is conceivable that it may sruggle to pass CR's total.

It makes you wonder that if it wasn't for the film being released on the back of CR, how poorly QOS could of done!

Internationally though the film is still doing well, despite some hefty second week drops.

Nashland and Spain will bolster up the totals.

AB :typing:

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Arthur Brain wrote:
katied wrote:Ugh,I hope Twilight goes away.The quicker the better...I'm possibly going to see QOS again on Thanksgiving(we usually go to a movie on Thanksgiving,...as do a LOT of people)The big 3(Twilight, QOS and Bolt) could make a LOT of money then.
It must be great for you in the US to have a big thanksgiving holiday, and then in a few weeks do it all over again with Xmas.
Mind you i expect its expensive for some families.
I too expect to see QOS for a third and final time, and then i can forget about Bond for a few years! :D

AB :typing:
Quark will do decent over thanksgiving. Don't forget there are 3 new movies this Wednesday (Australia, Four Christmases, Transporter 3)

T3 will be the one to draw away the potential Quart audience. Although Quark didn't grab a younger audience as expected so it might not be so bad. But I do expect their (Quark's) take to be marginal. Comparatively.

Comeon over for Thanksgiving EA, it really is a sweet holiday. We'll introduce you to American Indians (yes, most like the name) and they'll tell you what we are really like. Whatever you do don't believe a word of it. All of it happens to be true, but it is embarrassing to the palefaces.
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Just spoke to my brother on the phone and he'd said he'd seen QOS, but like a lot of people was dissapointed.
He said film gave him a headache, and agreed the direction and editing of the film was its biggest downfall.
Sad.

btw: QOS actual figure for last weekend in UK was rounded down to under $8 mil.

Yes, i've recently gone back to posting at 'MI6', mainly as the traffic here has dried up somewhat, with some members apparently not posting here anymore. :(

As i've said to Katied i'll see QOS one more time, then i'll forget about Bond.

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katied wrote:
I do think you are right, anything that makes them take a step back tends to be good becasue the next ones produced is better. However DAD wasn't what made them take a pause, it was being bereft of ideas. I fear the same thing is evident here.
Referring to DAD...It wasn't just bad ideas...it was a bad director too.Sorry,but it's true :mrgreen:

Oh and Twilight was #1 at the U.S. box office this weekend.

I've lost my will to live :lol:
Yes the director and writers and producers spaced out on that one. Again I think its becasue they didn't have ideas past 'it's our anniversary'.
Solid Idea and solid first half that they refused to built on.
Brozza was on his game in DAD, added a lot to his portrayal, to bad Cubby wasn't there to shepherd his era.
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Arthur Brain wrote:Just spoke to my brother on the phone and he'd said he'd seen QOS, but like a lot of people was dissapointed.
He said film gave him a headache, and agreed the direction and editing of the film was its biggest downfall.
Sad.

btw: QOS actual figure for last weekend in UK was rounded down to under $8 mil.

Yes, i've recently gone back to posting at 'MI6', mainly as the traffic here has dried up somewhat, with some members apparently not posting here anymore. :(

As i've said to Katied i'll see QOS one more time, then i'll forget about Bond.

EA
I hated the film Traffic with it's shaking camera shots so this pile of Bourne won't interest me. The fact that TBM is not critically acclaimed just might give Eon and Craig the impetus to part ways now. Sex And The City's $152 million USA total might even give TBM a run for it's money. Do I hear Hugh Jackman? :lol:
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The herky jerky camera tends to give me vertigo(I had it for *ages* after seeing 28 Weeks Later),but nothing with QOS,surprisingly.
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MP, Eon should ask you and I to come in and select the next 007, for we would collectively get it right. :lol:
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Maybe... :up:
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bjmdds wrote:The fact that TBM is not critically acclaimed just might give Eon and Craig the impetus to part ways now. Sex And The City's $152 million USA total might even give TBM a run for it's money. Do I hear Hugh Jackman? :lol:
Why would they drop Craig? He has been the only success in the release of QoS. Almost no critics are blaming him at all for the film, in fact they highlight he is the only decent thing in it.

The only damaging thing coming out of QoS by the critics is the film itself, not the actor. You've missed the point here, bj....
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