Favorite Movies: Bullitt, The Long Good Friday, The Towering Inferno, Jaws, Rocky, Superman the Movie, McVicar, Goodfellas, Get Carter, Three Days of the Condor, Butch & Sundance, The Sting, All the Presidents Men
I find the comparison to Connery ridiculous and totally agree with you. Craig has been deemed by Campbell the best actor to portray Bond, but Connery IS Bond, no debating that. His replacements have been just that, replacements, some though, a lot better than others.
Remember BJ that when Campbell was making GoldenEye he was slagging off Dalton and comparing Brosnan to Cary Grant. I give no credibility to anything that comes out of Campbell's big gob.
For the record, Campbell still praises Brosnan and still slags off Dalton. At least he is consistent.
Favorite Movies: Bullitt, The Long Good Friday, The Towering Inferno, Jaws, Rocky, Superman the Movie, McVicar, Goodfellas, Get Carter, Three Days of the Condor, Butch & Sundance, The Sting, All the Presidents Men
bjmdds wrote:2006's revenue bar for any film's success is a great deal higher than that of 2002. If any film makes a profit, it is a financial success. If people like a film, it is an artistic success. There is a difference though when 'blockbuster' status is used in financial success. In 2002, in the USA, DAD was more of a success than CR was in 2006, that is all I am saying.
More of a success? By how much more? We are talking small numbers here.
And if we were having this discussion last year, you wouldn't have agreed that DAD would be only marginally more successful in the US. You thought CR would have had no chance getting anywhere close to the DAD figures.
And regarding blockbuster status, it has been a blockbuster worldwide (which is more important) but are we not allowed to say this now. Should we say `Blockbuster everywhere in the world except for one particular country, where it was still a moderate success, just not a huge blockbuster'.....
And ticket sales (not inflation adjusted figures) between CR and DAD are not that far apart either. So again, was DAD not a blockbuster in the US either....?
In the USA when a Bond film it outgrossed by a penguin film, head to head, week to week, it is NOT blockbuster status. You are correct in your assumption that CR was an INTERNATIONAL blockbuster, for it devoured DAD's international take by 60 percent, especially fueled by your country's people, who really came out for their home grown Bond.
Exactly! So come on bj. Admit CR was a blockbuster. Go on, you know you want to......
bjmdds wrote:In the USA when a Bond film it outgrossed by a penguin film, head to head, week to week, it is NOT blockbuster status. You are correct in your assumption that CR was an INTERNATIONAL blockbuster, for it devoured DAD's international take by 60 percent, especially fueled by your country's people, who really came out for their home grown Bond.
So when Toy Story blew away GoldenEye at the box office was it no longer considered Blockbuster status? Titanic to Tomorrow Never Dies? Harry Potter to Die Another Day?
I suppose they weren't afterall BJ, thank you for making such a clear perspective.
bjmdds wrote:In the USA when a Bond film it outgrossed by a penguin film, head to head, week to week, it is NOT blockbuster status. You are correct in your assumption that CR was an INTERNATIONAL blockbuster, for it devoured DAD's international take by 60 percent, especially fueled by your country's people, who really came out for their home grown Bond.
So when Toy Story blew away GoldenEye at the box office was it no longer considered Blockbuster status? Titanic to Tomorrow Never Dies? Harry Potter to Die Another Day?
I suppose they weren't afterall BJ, thank you for making such a clear perspective.
Bond films have not been 'blockbuster' status since the 1960s, at their inception. Since then, they have been fine, entertaining films,that have done well at the box office, but by no means 'blockbusters', be it Lazenby,Moore,Dalton, Brosnan, or Craig. In the 1960s, Bond was to a spy film what the Beatles were to music, both iconic.
bjmdds wrote:2006's revenue bar for any film's success is a great deal higher than that of 2002. If any film makes a profit, it is a financial success. If people like a film, it is an artistic success. There is a difference though when 'blockbuster' status is used in financial success. In 2002, in the USA, DAD was more of a success than CR was in 2006, that is all I am saying.
More of a success? By how much more? We are talking small numbers here.
And if we were having this discussion last year, you wouldn't have agreed that DAD would be only marginally more successful in the US. You thought CR would have had no chance getting anywhere close to the DAD figures.
And regarding blockbuster status, it has been a blockbuster worldwide (which is more important) but are we not allowed to say this now. Should we say `Blockbuster everywhere in the world except for one particular country, where it was still a moderate success, just not a huge blockbuster'.....
And ticket sales (not inflation adjusted figures) between CR and DAD are not that far apart either. So again, was DAD not a blockbuster in the US either....?
In the USA when a Bond film it outgrossed by a penguin film, head to head, week to week, it is NOT blockbuster status. You are correct in your assumption that CR was an INTERNATIONAL blockbuster, for it devoured DAD's international take by 60 percent, especially fueled by your country's people, who really came out for their home grown Bond.
Exactly! So come on bj. Admit CR was a blockbuster. Go on, you know you want to......
CR was an INTERNATIONAL blockbuster, that is as far as I will go, good buddy.
bjmdds wrote:In the USA when a Bond film it outgrossed by a penguin film, head to head, week to week, it is NOT blockbuster status. You are correct in your assumption that CR was an INTERNATIONAL blockbuster, for it devoured DAD's international take by 60 percent, especially fueled by your country's people, who really came out for their home grown Bond.
So when Toy Story blew away GoldenEye at the box office was it no longer considered Blockbuster status? Titanic to Tomorrow Never Dies? Harry Potter to Die Another Day?
I suppose they weren't afterall BJ, thank you for making such a clear perspective.
Bond films have not been 'blockbuster' status since the 1960s, at their inception. Since then, they have been fine, entertaining films,that have done well at the box office, but by no means 'blockbusters', be it Lazenby,Moore,Dalton, Brosnan, or Craig. In the 1960s, Bond was to a spy film what the Beatles were to music, both iconic.
Exactly! Finally we can agree on something. Bond will never reach that hype but the series will continue successful for all the years to come.
bjmdds wrote:CR was an INTERNATIONAL blockbuster, that is as far as I will go, good buddy.
Close enough, just shows how tastes have been somewhat unpredictable in the US, at least Bond was embraced by the rest of the world which is all that really matters in the end. Even Licence To Kill was still successful without the US enbracing.
bjmdds wrote:In the USA when a Bond film it outgrossed by a penguin film, head to head, week to week, it is NOT blockbuster status. You are correct in your assumption that CR was an INTERNATIONAL blockbuster, for it devoured DAD's international take by 60 percent, especially fueled by your country's people, who really came out for their home grown Bond.
So when Toy Story blew away GoldenEye at the box office was it no longer considered Blockbuster status? Titanic to Tomorrow Never Dies? Harry Potter to Die Another Day?
I suppose they weren't afterall BJ, thank you for making such a clear perspective.
Bond films have not been 'blockbuster' status since the 1960s, at their inception. Since then, they have been fine, entertaining films,that have done well at the box office, but by no means 'blockbusters', be it Lazenby,Moore,Dalton, Brosnan, or Craig. In the 1960s, Bond was to a spy film what the Beatles were to music, both iconic.
Exactly! Finally we can agree on something. Bond will never reach that hype but the series will continue successful for all the years to come.
Detente!!! Imagine if there were the same number of movie theatres in the world between 1962-1967, as there are now. Who knows what history the first 5 Bond films would have produced at the box office!
bjmdds wrote:CR was an INTERNATIONAL blockbuster, that is as far as I will go, good buddy.
Close enough, just shows how tastes have been somewhat unpredictable in the US, at least Bond was embraced by the rest of the world which is all that really matters in the end. Even Licence To Kill was still successful without the US enbracing.
I am still curious why Dalton was shunned in the UK,and everywhere else, in 1987-1989, yet Craig has been overwhelmingly embraced,especially in the UK, even though their takes on a serious Bond were similar.
I am still curious why Dalton was shunned in the UK,and everywhere else, in 1987-1989, yet Craig has been overwhelmingly embraced,especially in the UK, even though their takes on a serious Bond were similar.
The campaign for Casino Royale was light-years above and beyond anything Dalton recieved and the film had an awful lot of publicity while still in production. Dalton's films did ok in the UK but the wider picture wasn't too great for him.
Favorite Bond Movie: Octopussy From Russia With Love The Living Daylights On Her Majestys Secret Service Doctor No .... Ah heck all of them
Favorite Movies: Lawrence Of Arabia, Forrest Gump, Jaws, The Shawshank Redemption, Vertigo, The Odd Couple, Zoolander, Cool Hand Luke, The Great Escape...many more.
Location: Well here obviously. At the moment of course
I am still curious why Dalton was shunned in the UK,and everywhere else, in 1987-1989, yet Craig has been overwhelmingly embraced,especially in the UK, even though their takes on a serious Bond were similar.
The campaign for Casino Royale was light-years above and beyond anything Dalton recieved and the film had an awful lot of publicity while still in production. Dalton's films did ok in the UK but the wider picture wasn't too great for him.
So I guess Eon learnt from there previous mistake in publiscising a new Bond.
Any actor taking on the role has to be sold to the general audience. This is much more than mere entertainment.
Favorite Movies: Bullitt, The Long Good Friday, The Towering Inferno, Jaws, Rocky, Superman the Movie, McVicar, Goodfellas, Get Carter, Three Days of the Condor, Butch & Sundance, The Sting, All the Presidents Men
I am still curious why Dalton was shunned in the UK,and everywhere else, in 1987-1989, yet Craig has been overwhelmingly embraced,especially in the UK, even though their takes on a serious Bond were similar.
The campaign for Casino Royale was light-years above and beyond anything Dalton recieved and the film had an awful lot of publicity while still in production. Dalton's films did ok in the UK but the wider picture wasn't too great for him.
True. LTK had a very poor marketing campaign, but I think the real reason is 9/11. Since 9/11 audiences have become used to more realistic, grittier, harder, darker, more serious action films (even comic flicks like Superman Returns, Spiderman and Batman Begins reflect this).
Back in 89, that wasn't the trend of the times, whereas now it is.
The Sweeney wrote:True. LTK had a very poor marketing campaign, but I think the real reason is 9/11. Since 9/11 audiences have become used to more realistic, grittier, harder, darker, more serious action films (even comic flicks like Superman Returns, Spiderman and Batman Begins reflect this).
Back in 89, that wasn't the trend of the times, whereas now it is.
Yup, in the 80's Bond's main "rivals" were the likes of Rambo and Die Hard, now it's Bourne and 24.
"He's the one that doesn't smile" - Queen Elizabeth II on Daniel Craig
The Sweeney wrote:
Since 9/11 audiences have become used to more realistic, grittier, harder, darker, more serious action films (even comic flicks like Superman Returns, Spiderman and Batman Begins reflect this).
Back in 89, that wasn't the trend of the times, whereas now it is.
A good point Sweeney. It will be interesting to see if the tide turns during Craig's run. Will EON adopt a different style/tone to suit the current trend and maybe change Craig's style?
Favorite Bond Movie: Octopussy From Russia With Love The Living Daylights On Her Majestys Secret Service Doctor No .... Ah heck all of them
Favorite Movies: Lawrence Of Arabia, Forrest Gump, Jaws, The Shawshank Redemption, Vertigo, The Odd Couple, Zoolander, Cool Hand Luke, The Great Escape...many more.
Location: Well here obviously. At the moment of course
The Sweeney wrote:
Since 9/11 audiences have become used to more realistic, grittier, harder, darker, more serious action films (even comic flicks like Superman Returns, Spiderman and Batman Begins reflect this).
Back in 89, that wasn't the trend of the times, whereas now it is.
A good point Sweeney. It will be interesting to see if the tide turns during Craig's run. Will EON adopt a different style/tone to suit the current trend and maybe change Craig's style?
As Campbell said, they are locked in with Craig in this style, and they will continue on this path, until they choose Bond number 7, for 007.
I am still curious why Dalton was shunned in the UK,and everywhere else, in 1987-1989, yet Craig has been overwhelmingly embraced,especially in the UK, even though their takes on a serious Bond were similar.
The campaign for Casino Royale was light-years above and beyond anything Dalton recieved and the film had an awful lot of publicity while still in production. Dalton's films did ok in the UK but the wider picture wasn't too great for him.
True. LTK had a very poor marketing campaign, but I think the real reason is 9/11. Since 9/11 audiences have become used to more realistic, grittier, harder, darker, more serious action films (even comic flicks like Superman Returns, Spiderman and Batman Begins reflect this).
Back in 89, that wasn't the trend of the times, whereas now it is.
Commander Sweeney, IF 9/11 never occurred, do you think Craig's style Bond would have surfaced, especially during peaceful times on Earth?
Bond will never reach that hype but the series will continue successful for all the years to come.
