The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:10 am

Speed Racer looks gay, even worse than Mama Mia.

Indy 4, TDK, and QOS for the win!

Post by **bjmdds** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:16 am

You think QOS will outdo HP? Tall order for even TDK.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:24 am

I never said it would or wouldn't.

But if you want the answer, yes, Harry Potter will top QOS. It's a given, whether Craig or your favorite Jackman is in the role. Potter is family fare while Bond is sex and violence.

None of the Potter flicks have ever grossed below $795.5 million, and that's 100 million higher than CR's.

Post by **English Agent** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:38 pm

stockslivevan wrote:I never said it would or wouldn't.

But if you want the answer, yes, Harry Potter will top QOS. It's a given, whether Craig or your favorite Jackman is in the role. Potter is family fare while Bond is sex and violence.

None of the Potter flicks have ever grossed below $795.5 million, and that's 100 million higher than CR's.

Yes.......your spot on there 'Stocks'

..................but, i do expect QOS to put up some big figures in the International market, and to surpass (though not by much) the $167 mil figure grossed by CR in the North American market.

AB

Post by **bjmdds** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:16 pm

AB, I really feel Craig's second Bond film will not surpass CR in the USA, and the $167 million figure will be out of reach. He has been flat in ticket sales in his films here and a lot of people here I know did see CR for curiosity sake and are not really excited over seeing him again. The international market should at least equal CR's take, given the slight increase in ticket prices since November 2006.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:22 pm

You felt that CR would never surpass a Brosnan film yet it did, even more in the international market. There's a difference to knowing friends who didn't like CR and merely went for curiosity sake to millions of fans and non-fans responding positively, more than what anyone expected.

The US is fiddle, I will agree with that. The film PROM NIGHT just made it to #1.

But who knows? Maybe because of rentals and airings on Showtime CR has earned more fans. We'll see with QOS's premiere.

Post by **bjmdds** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:48 pm

stockslivevan wrote:You felt that CR would never surpass a Brosnan film yet it did, even more in the international market. There's a difference to knowing friends who didn't like CR and merely went for curiosity sake to millions of fans and non-fans responding positively, more than what anyone expected.

The US is fiddle, I will agree with that. The film PROM NIGHT just made it to #1.

But who knows? Maybe because of rentals and airings on Showtime CR has earned more fans. We'll see with QOS's premiere.

I was shocked CR>DAD, you are correct;however, CR had it's 'newness and controversy' which QOSTBM does not. In fact, CR was hyped basically for 4 years. Now, if EON did not spend millions ahead of time promoting it by placing Craig in magazines and on television tabloid shows, it would be out of the mainstream movie thought. A press conference to discuss the NAME of the film? Desperation perhaps to keep Craig's other failing films out of thought?

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:56 pm

I wouldn't say four years of hype. The hype didn't even start until Craig was cast. Before then there was no news of Bond, at least notable for the media to go crazy on. Only Bond fans got news like having Campbell come back to direct, having Paul Haggis join the writing team and that it was gonna be an adaption of CR.

Post by **English Agent** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:21 pm

bjmdds wrote:AB, I really feel Craig's second Bond film will not surpass CR in the USA, and the $167 million figure will be out of reach. He has been flat in ticket sales in his films here and a lot of people here I know did see CR for curiosity sake and are not really excited over seeing him again. The international market should at least equal CR's take, given the slight increase in ticket prices since November 2006.

'BJ' if QOS doesn't surpass CR at the North American boxoffice, then i would be surprised.
As i have said numerous times before, i dont ever expect a Bond film to reach the status of blockbuster as the films did in your market during the 1960's, but there does seem to be a noticeble improvement in BO of the Bond films in recent times.
With a huge budget of $200 mil, the film will need to have a decent run in the US to ensure a stable financial platform for the films success in addition to the international totals.
QOS should at least gross $100mil in the UK alone............otherwise i'll eat my cat.................oops my cats done a runner!

AB

Post by **English Agent** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:28 pm

Incidently 'DC's' performance in his none Bond films will not have an impact on his role in 'QOS'................as people will see the film merely for the fact that it is a Bond film.

As QOS is a sort of sequel to CR, it will be interesting to see what effect this will have on the number of admissions the film will draw...........
i.e will there be more people going to see the film as its a continuation of
a story..........such as the LOTR films.

AB

Post by **bjmdds** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:25 pm

Arthur Brain wrote:
bjmdds wrote:AB, I really feel Craig's second Bond film will not surpass CR in the USA, and the $167 million figure will be out of reach. He has been flat in ticket sales in his films here and a lot of people here I know did see CR for curiosity sake and are not really excited over seeing him again. The international market should at least equal CR's take, given the slight increase in ticket prices since November 2006.
'BJ' if QOS doesn't surpass CR at the North American boxoffice, then i would be surprised.
As i have said numerous times before, i dont ever expect a Bond film to reach the status of blockbuster as the films did in your market during the 1960's, but there does seem to be a noticeble improvement in BO of the Bond films in recent times.
With a huge budget of $200 mil, the film will need to have a decent run in the US to ensure a stable financial platform for the films success in addition to the international totals.
QOS should at least gross $100mil in the UK alone............otherwise i'll eat my cat.................oops my cats done a runner!

AB

UK< $100 million will be a surprise for Eon, and not a pleasant one. It should top that, although Harry P may have a say in that though.

Post by **bjmdds** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:27 pm

Arthur Brain wrote:Incidently 'DC's' performance in his none Bond films will not have an impact on his role in 'QOS'................as people will see the film merely for the fact that it is a Bond film.

As QOS is a sort of sequel to CR, it will be interesting to see what effect this will have on the number of admissions the film will draw...........
i.e will there be more people going to see the film as its a continuation of
a story..........such as the LOTR films.

AB

In the USA it might. He is not well received here, and even Craig knows it, after his comments on what happened to TGC in the USA.

Post by **English Agent** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:43 pm

bjmdds wrote:
Arthur Brain wrote:Incidently 'DC's' performance in his none Bond films will not have an impact on his role in 'QOS'................as people will see the film merely for the fact that it is a Bond film.

As QOS is a sort of sequel to CR, it will be interesting to see what effect this will have on the number of admissions the film will draw...........
i.e will there be more people going to see the film as its a continuation of
a story..........such as the LOTR films.

AB
In the USA it might. He is not well received here, and even Craig knows it, after his comments on what happened to TGC in the USA.

'BJ' in your opinion, what do you think the American publics view on Craig
is as a film star??
If his next, say 2 Bond films are hits, do you think he will ever become an
A-list star.

I personally dont think so at this stage..............as in America you have so many home grown film stars, who appear in what i would call more domestic appealing films.
Or like Dalton is there something about Craig that does not click......am i correct in this assumption.

AB

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:48 pm

Quite so. Craig is huge in the UK. Here, in the USA, he has not been well received. Many do not even know who he is, other than Bond. I do not see him being a mega-hit here.

Dcbn · Post by **Dcbn** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:54 pm

bjmdds wrote:Quite so. Craig is huge in the UK. Here, in the USA, he has not been well received. Many do not even know who he is, other than Bond. I do not see him being a mega-hit here.

He's well received where I'm from. Then again North America is such a large continent.

Without sounding like an idiot...err...whats TGC?

katied · Post by **katied** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:55 pm

The hope with the Golden Compass was that they would get Craig fans with kids in to see it.Problem is a)It got horrible reviews b)He's only in the movie for 10 minutes,if that. c)It's a VIOLENT movie.Kids' movie?Not younger kids,that's for sure.

I liked TGC(I'd read the book)and thought it was fairly faithful,though they did change a few things from the book,which annoyed some hardcore fans of the book(not me though!)

Post by **English Agent** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:05 pm

Dcbn wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Quite so. Craig is huge in the UK. Here, in the USA, he has not been well received. Many do not even know who he is, other than Bond. I do not see him being a mega-hit here.
He's well received where I'm from. Then again North America is such a large continent.

Without sounding like an idiot...err...whats TGC?

'Dcbn'..........where in North America are you from?

As you have said there are differences to how an actor is received in different parts..........e.g. Bond films have a much bigger following percentage wise in Canada compared to the USA.

TGC = The Golden Compass

In relation to that film, the film company execs' must of been a bag of nerves after its poor showing in the US...........though in the long run the international grosses would of helped soothe the pain somewhat.

AB

Dcbn · Post by **Dcbn** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:26 pm

Arthur Brain wrote:
Dcbn wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Quite so. Craig is huge in the UK. Here, in the USA, he has not been well received. Many do not even know who he is, other than Bond. I do not see him being a mega-hit here.
He's well received where I'm from. Then again North America is such a large continent.

Without sounding like an idiot...err...whats TGC?
'Dcbn'..........where in North America are you from?

As you have said there are differences to how an actor is received in different parts..........e.g. Bond films have a much bigger following percentage wise in Canada compared to the USA.

TGC = The Golden Compass

In relation to that film, the film company execs' must of been a bag of nerves after its poor showing in the US...........though in the long run the international grosses would of helped soothe the pain somewhat.

AB

Bingo!

I typed TGC in google and got "The great conspiracy" Silly me.

Milton Krest · Post by **Milton Krest** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:29 pm

Arthur Brain wrote:
Dcbn wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Quite so. Craig is huge in the UK. Here, in the USA, he has not been well received. Many do not even know who he is, other than Bond. I do not see him being a mega-hit here.
He's well received where I'm from. Then again North America is such a large continent.

Without sounding like an idiot...err...whats TGC?
'Dcbn'..........where in North America are you from?

As you have said there are differences to how an actor is received in different parts..........e.g. Bond films have a much bigger following percentage wise in Canada compared to the USA.

TGC = The Golden Compass

In relation to that film, the film company execs' must of been a bag of nerves after its poor showing in the US...........though in the long run the international grosses would of helped soothe the pain somewhat.

AB

It look as though Craig could have another flop on his hands with flashbacks of a fool. Bond looks to be his only bag at the moment any more flops and he could propping up DTV movies with Steven Seagal

Post by **Kristatos** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:23 pm

Milton Krest wrote:It look as though Craig could have another flop on his hands with flashbacks of a fool. Bond looks to be his only bag at the moment any more flops and he could propping up DTV movies with Steven Seagal

Flashbacks of a Fool is an indie movie that I think was shot on a low budget. Of course it's not going to make the same sort of box office as a Bond movie, but it doesn't have to. The lower the budget, the fewer tickets it has to sell to make a profit.