The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:34 am

Both will rule.

Post by **Skywalker** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:18 am

bjmdds wrote:
Skywalker wrote:If the story is good and the performance of DC is more akin to the previous Bonds, then there is a decent chance I would enjoy QOS.

Continuity shouldn't be an issue like it was in CR, although let's hope DC's raw Bond is not continued.
I await your review as soon as you see it. Will Skywalker turn to the other side of the force and join those at CB.net and MI6? Stay tuned.

To dismiss everything about the film prior to it's release is not something I adhere to. Like Casino Royale, I will watch the film with no pre-conceived scepticism with the intention of enjoying the film. If the film fails to live up to my expectations or I find certain aspects to not be to my liking, then It's safe to say I will not hold back my criticisms, but to continuingly search for negatives on everything related to the new film does you no favours IMO.

I guess my review will be eagerly anticipated!!!!

Post by **The Sweeney** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:23 am

Skywalker wrote:
bjmdds wrote:
Skywalker wrote:If the story is good and the performance of DC is more akin to the previous Bonds, then there is a decent chance I would enjoy QOS.

Continuity shouldn't be an issue like it was in CR, although let's hope DC's raw Bond is not continued.
I await your review as soon as you see it. Will Skywalker turn to the other side of the force and join those at CB.net and MI6? Stay tuned.
To dismiss everything about the film prior to it's release is not something I adhere to. Like Casino Royale, I will watch the film with no pre-conceived scepticism with the intention of enjoying the film. If the film fails to live up to my expectations or I find certain aspects to not be to my liking, then It's safe to say I will not hold back my criticisms, but to continuingly search for negatives on everything related to the new film does you no favours IMO.

I guess my review will be eagerly anticipated!!!!

Good post Skywalker!

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:12 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
Skywalker wrote:
bjmdds wrote:
Skywalker wrote:If the story is good and the performance of DC is more akin to the previous Bonds, then there is a decent chance I would enjoy QOS.

Continuity shouldn't be an issue like it was in CR, although let's hope DC's raw Bond is not continued.
I await your review as soon as you see it. Will Skywalker turn to the other side of the force and join those at CB.net and MI6? Stay tuned.
To dismiss everything about the film prior to it's release is not something I adhere to. Like Casino Royale, I will watch the film with no pre-conceived scepticism with the intention of enjoying the film. If the film fails to live up to my expectations or I find certain aspects to not be to my liking, then It's safe to say I will not hold back my criticisms, but to continuingly search for negatives on everything related to the new film does you no favours IMO.

I guess my review will be eagerly anticipated!!!!
Good post Skywalker!

Ditto.
Well done Skywalker for putting your opinion and thoughts out there, explaining exactly what you want and expect.
Your stock has risen my friend. Seems to me that dcinb has changed alot over the last 12 months.
Is it possible that the anti and pro groups are seeing more eye to eye?
Not all, but I find myself being able to agree more with some of the posts here...aside from Sweenster, Stocks and AB.

Post by **Kristatos** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:24 pm

Captain Nash wrote:Is it possible that the anti and pro groups are seeing more eye to eye?

Well, we're all Bond fans here, and we all (well, at least most of us) want the next Bond film to be good, even if we disagree in our assessment of CR's merits.

Post by **bjmdds** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:35 pm

Skywalker wrote:
bjmdds wrote:
Skywalker wrote:If the story is good and the performance of DC is more akin to the previous Bonds, then there is a decent chance I would enjoy QOS.

Continuity shouldn't be an issue like it was in CR, although let's hope DC's raw Bond is not continued.
I await your review as soon as you see it. Will Skywalker turn to the other side of the force and join those at CB.net and MI6? Stay tuned.
To dismiss everything about the film prior to it's release is not something I adhere to. Like Casino Royale, I will watch the film with no pre-conceived scepticism with the intention of enjoying the film. If the film fails to live up to my expectations or I find certain aspects to not be to my liking, then It's safe to say I will not hold back my criticisms, but to continuingly search for negatives on everything related to the new film does you no favours IMO.

I guess my review will be eagerly anticipated!!!!

"To thine own self be true", Skywalker. I know Sweeney and his buddies will also be waiting for that review. It will be curious to see if QOSTBM rebounds for those who found CR quite lacking.

Post by **Skywalker** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:15 pm

bjmdds wrote:
Skywalker wrote:To dismiss everything about the film prior to it's release is not something I adhere to. Like Casino Royale, I will watch the film with no pre-conceived scepticism with the intention of enjoying the film. If the film fails to live up to my expectations or I find certain aspects to not be to my liking, then It's safe to say I will not hold back my criticisms, but to continuingly search for negatives on everything related to the new film does you no favours IMO.

I guess my review will be eagerly anticipated!!!!
"To thine own self be true", Skywalker. I know Sweeney and his buddies will also be waiting for that review. It will be curious to see if QOSTBM rebounds for those who found CR quite lacking.

I guess it all depends on what issues you had with CR. As a Bond fan, I'm still looking forward to the film's release and then we should be in a position to correctly analyse the film and DC's performance.

Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:43 pm

If we are not allowed to respond critically to information regarding QOS, then we should ban discussion on it until the movie is released.

Post by **bjmdds** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:57 pm

November is 7 months away Dom, and there is plenty to discuss now about the press releases afforded the public by the secretive Eon studio.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:23 am

Skywalker wrote:
bjmdds wrote:
Skywalker wrote:To dismiss everything about the film prior to it's release is not something I adhere to. Like Casino Royale, I will watch the film with no pre-conceived scepticism with the intention of enjoying the film. If the film fails to live up to my expectations or I find certain aspects to not be to my liking, then It's safe to say I will not hold back my criticisms, but to continuingly search for negatives on everything related to the new film does you no favours IMO.

I guess my review will be eagerly anticipated!!!!
"To thine own self be true", Skywalker. I know Sweeney and his buddies will also be waiting for that review. It will be curious to see if QOSTBM rebounds for those who found CR quite lacking.
I guess it all depends on what issues you had with CR. As a Bond fan, I'm still looking forward to the film's release and then we should be in a position to correctly analyse the film and DC's performance.

You're on fire Skywalker.

We may disagree on several aspects of the world of Bond, but on this one I'd back you all the way. You're prepared to wait for the finished film before passing complete judgement. It's what I do. And obviously I enjoyed CR and Daniel Craig as OO7. Should that make me wrong, or not a true fan? To some fans it seems so. And vice versa, if you don't like Craig or CR should you give up on Bond? Of course not, express your feelings, but don't try and change what's happening. Craig is Bond for the time being. You're just going to have to get over that, or take a break from Bond untill James Bond mk:7 arrives.
At the end of the day my point was, good post Luke.

Post by **Skywalker** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:02 pm

Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:If we are not allowed to respond critically to information regarding QOS, then we should ban discussion on it until the movie is released.

Easy tiger!!!!

I'm not against discussing the film and on-going articles surrounding QOS, but trying to find negatives in every single press release associated with the film does not IMO give a basis of balanced logical thought.

BJ is a great forum member and has contributed more than most. I agree with him on a number of things and he is a gentleman to boot, but I do have issues with anyone who pre-judges something without fully knowing the facts. Even if I enjoy QOS, it will certainly not mean that I will hail King Craig and suddenly rank CR my favourite all time Bond film.

Post by **Kristatos** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:22 pm

Skywalker wrote:Even if I enjoy QOS, it will certainly not mean that I will hail King Craig and suddenly rank CR my favourite all time Bond film.

Me neither. I doubt Craig will ever be my Bond, to be honest. But I can at least hope for another OHMSS - a good Bond film let down only by the actor playing Bond.

Post by **Skywalker** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:47 pm

Kristatos wrote: OHMSS - a good Bond film let down only by the actor playing Bond.

Probably the most accurate Bond film review ever!!

Post by **bjmdds** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:05 pm

Skywalker wrote:
Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:If we are not allowed to respond critically to information regarding QOS, then we should ban discussion on it until the movie is released.
Easy tiger!!!!

I'm not against discussing the film and on-going articles surrounding QOS, but trying to find negatives in every single press release associated with the film does not IMO give a basis of balanced logical thought.

BJ is a great forum member and has contributed more than most. I agree with him on a number of things and he is a gentleman to boot, but I do have issues with anyone who pre-judges something without fully knowing the facts. Even if I enjoy QOS, it will certainly not mean that I will hail King Craig and suddenly rank CR my favourite all time Bond film.

As Phelps said to Hunt at the end of MI:I:"having already tasted the goods". A perfect line to describe the continuation of an off beat storyline,with a "rookie" James Bond, with an actor who is trying to redefine James Bond in look, manner, size, shape, and tone. CR was the appetizer:QOSTBM will be the main course. There will be 'more of the same' given all that has been reported, except that action sequences will be prevalent throughout the film. Action is great, I have no problem with that. The problem remains the messenger. For me, I cannot divorce watching the lead actor from the rest of the film, for that is pointless;therefore, if the storyline and action are entertaining, I will state that, but trying to find "gold" in Craig's "copper plated" attempt to engulf the Bond mystique will be difficult, to say the least. Pre-judge Craig? I have already seen his portrayal in CR, and for me, it proved my original conception of what he would be like as Bond, and it was lacking.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:22 pm

bjmdds wrote: The problem remains the messenger. For me, I cannot divorce watching the lead actor from the rest of the film, for that is pointless;therefore, if the storyline and action are entertaining, I will state that.

Really bj? Judging by your countless negative posts, looking to knock all things QOS related, regardless of whether it is do with lead actor or not, I somehow find it difficult to believe you will do this. It is already a given that you will hate Craig as Bond in QOS, fine. I accept that.

But I doubt you will be able to judge the rest of the film with an open mind (whereas most forum members on here have already admitted they will attempt to do so). I find it more believable from them, as most members here usually tend to knock Craig alone, and not the daily news rumour-mill of the film itself.

To me, you already hate QOS, storyline and action included, and will never admit to liking any part of it (you could prove me wrong of course, come November)....

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:08 am

Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:If we are not allowed to respond critically to information regarding QOS, then we should ban discussion on it until the movie is released.

You can respond critically but to show yourself as a Bond fan at least show some hope.

But the again in your's and BJ's world, there is no hope. The future is set for Craig. There will never be anything positive at the slightest! And if there is, keep denying yourself like children plugging their ears while humming to themselves "CraigNotBond, CraigNotBond, CraigNotBond!"

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:18 am

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote: The problem remains the messenger. For me, I cannot divorce watching the lead actor from the rest of the film, for that is pointless;therefore, if the storyline and action are entertaining, I will state that.
Really bj? Judging by your countless negative posts, looking to knock all things QOS related, regardless of whether it is do with lead actor or not, I somehow find it difficult to believe you will do this. It is already a given that you will hate Craig as Bond in QOS, fine. I accept that.

But I doubt you will be able to judge the rest of the film with an open mind (whereas most forum members on here have already admitted they will attempt to do so). I find it more believable from them, as most members here usually tend to knock Craig alone, and not the daily news rumour-mill of the film itself.

To me, you already hate QOS, storyline and action included, and will never admit to liking any part of it (you could prove me wrong of course, come November)....

As I assure you I shall prove you wrong Sweenster. Heck, I do not like any of the candidates in the USA for president but I plan on voting anyway. It is not 100% DC as well. This "new" direction is unoriginal and foreign for the franchise, but it appears there could be a "re-turn" to the Brosnanian style of OTT action.

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:36 am

stockslivevan wrote:
Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:If we are not allowed to respond critically to information regarding QOS, then we should ban discussion on it until the movie is released.
You can respond critically but to show yourself as a Bond fan at least show some hope.

But the again in your's and BJ's world, there is no hope. The future is set for Craig. There will never be anything positive at the slightest! And if there is, keep denying yourself like children plugging their ears while humming to themselves "CraigNotBond, CraigNotBond, CraigNotBond!"

The website's name is NOT DanielCraigMayNotBeBond.com, or DanielCraigIsNotThatBadABond.com, or DanielCraigCouldBeAGoodBond.com. It IS called DanielCraigIsNotBond.com. Why are you so surprised to find people posting here, who are Bond fans for many decades, who totally reject the 'current' trend of Eon?

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:31 am

bjmdds wrote:The website's name is NOT DanielCraigMayNotBeBond.com, or DanielCraigIsNotThatBadABond.com, or DanielCraigCouldBeAGoodBond.com. It IS called DanielCraigIsNotBond.com. Why are you so surprised to find people posting here, who are Bond fans for many decades, who totally reject the 'current' trend of Eon?

You missed the mark BJ. I know this is DCINB, however you seem to judge a whole film by the actor alone. If he's involved, everything is crap. That's the problem and that's why I am saying you should give the whole FILM a fair shot despite your disagreement with the actor. But I don't expect that from you, because all you've done since Craig's entry was dismiss everything before even seeing the final product.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:02 am

bjmdds wrote:This "new" direction is unoriginal and foreign for the franchise, but it appears there could be a "re-turn" to the Brosnanian style of OTT action.

If QOS is anything remotely like a Brosnan flick, then you will have the biggest anti-Bond fan on here from now on......