The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

Since when is DC an action actor? I thought he went for more 'realistic and artistic' roles? Swinging on vines and riding in boats and running after villains in the streets just does not seem his type of acting work. I guess he is doing it then for the fame and money, both of which he claimed were not THE motivating factors for his role selections. Bond=action. I am all for that;but Craig in such a role is like Billy Crystal trying to play baseball with the NY Yankees, like he just did on his 60th birthday. It just doesn't fly. Also, the two main villains look like they could be characters on the Addams Family, both Gomez and Lurch.

[bjmdds]

We shall see what these 'surprises' are Kris.

OK. But if Bond doesn't end up batting for the other team at the end of QOS, will you admit that you were wrong, or will you just start saying "He's going to be gay in Bond 23, I can feel it. DOOOM! GLOOOM!"?

If, on the other hand, you turn out to be correct, then I will happily join in your condemnations. I have nothing against gay people, I just don't think a character who has been straight for 40 years should suddenly switch sexual orientation for no good reason. But I don't think it will happen.

Something is up in the script Kris, can't you just feel it? It could be full sided nudity for Craig, as in his next film's outing next month,or an alternative attempt for Bond sexually, or more brutal violence pushing the PG-13 envelope?????

[The Sweeney]

Since when is DC an action actor? I thought he went for more 'realistic and artistic' roles? Swinging on vines and riding in boats and running after villains in the streets just does not seem his type of acting work. I guess he is doing it then for the fame and money, both of which he claimed were not THE motivating factors for his role selections. Bond=action. I am all for that;but Craig in such a role is like Billy Crystal trying to play baseball with the NY Yankees, like he just did on his 60th birthday. It just doesn't fly. Also, the two main villains look like they could be characters on the Addams Family, both Gomez and Lurch.

Whether Craig prefers action scenes or not, or whether he is doing it for the money or not - who cares! He handled the action scenes brilliantly in CR, the most convincing actor who looked like he could literally kick ass since Connery. All the other actors never quite had the same conviction, or really looked that convincing beating the crap out of someone.

I guess Craig likes varied roles (his film credits prove this), so Bond allows him to play something different again to the other roles he plays.

[The Sweeney]

We shall see what these 'surprises' are Kris.

OK. But if Bond doesn't end up batting for the other team at the end of QOS, will you admit that you were wrong, or will you just start saying "He's going to be gay in Bond 23, I can feel it. DOOOM! GLOOOM!"?

If, on the other hand, you turn out to be correct, then I will happily join in your condemnations. I have nothing against gay people, I just don't think a character who has been straight for 40 years should suddenly switch sexual orientation for no good reason. But I don't think it will happen.

Something is up in the script Kris, can't you just feel it? It could be full sided nudity for Craig, as in his next film's outing next month,or an alternative attempt for Bond sexually, or more brutal violence pushing the PG-13 envelope?????

The same was said with CR, yet there was not a homosexual kiss in sight.
It's just all wild speculation again, bj.

I guess we will all know for sure come November.

[Skywalker]

He handled the action scenes brilliantly in CR, the most convincing actor who looked like he could literally kick ass since Connery. All the other actors never quite had the same conviction, or really looked that convincing beating the crap out of someone.

I thought Lazenby kicked a*s pretty well and even Sir Rog could throw a decent punch. Dalton was convincing too.

I don't think anyone can really argue that Craig doesn't kick a*s well. He was convincing in dishing it out.

[Kristatos]

Something is up in the script Kris, can't you just feel it?

Errr, no, not really. If anything, the comments coming out of EON make me think that QOS will be a more conventional Bond film than CR was.

[Gary Seven]

The Sweeney
Whether Craig prefers action scenes or not, or whether he is doing it for the money or not - who cares! He handled the action scenes brilliantly in CR, the most convincing actor who looked like he could literally kick ass since Connery. All the other actors never quite had the same conviction, or really looked that convincing beating the crap out of someone.

I think you dismiss the other four actors here. Moore and Brosnan had a different style of Bond character + film. If they had made CR and overdone the bodybuilding they would have been seen as tougher. But they were more like the James Bond in the Fleming novels.

Craig is quite short. Some short people are even tougher than usual i.e Joe Pesci in Goodfellas. Craig is less physically imposing than the other five actors.

[The Sweeney]

I think you dismiss the other four actors here. Moore and Brosnan had a different style of Bond character + film. If they had made CR and overdone the bodybuilding they would have been seen as tougher. But they were more like the James Bond in the Fleming novels.

Craig is quite short. Some short people are even tougher than usual i.e Joe Pesci in Goodfellas. Craig is less physically imposing than the other five actors.

I don't agree. Craig's `shortness' (5ft, 11 isn't that short) doesn't come across at all in the film, IMO. And he is the most physically imposing since Connery - without doubt!

I suppose I'm being unfair to Lazenby, who looked like he could dish it out (as Skywalker said), but I'm not sure on Moore. I guess many of his scenes were surrounded by tongue-in-cheek moments and gimmicks, so I didn't take the fight scenes that serious (especially with his hair still in place afterwards, Robert Wagner Hart to Hart style).

Dalton played the role seriously, yet I didn't feel the fight scenes came natural to him, whereas Craig really does look like someone who you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of, the same as Connery did.

[English Agent]

It was revealed today that QOS will be released a week earlier in the UK than originally planned...............no explanation was given for this, but i think this could be a reason...........

.......EON are obviously very confident about QOS and have gone for a different release strategy from previous Bonds.........ie the film will be released globally in the same week in a very large number of countries.

This strategy has worked very well for recent blockbusters such as the Pirates films and HP, as it allows the film to totally dominate the film market to gain as much boxoffice revenue as possible, before rival films take the boxoffice take away, or if the film is a bit of a dud, it somewhat prevents bad word of mouth affecting a films performance in markets where it is released later.

Maybe, by releasing QOS a week earlier than the other major markets, the film studio is hoping that a huge opening weekend in the UK will promote larger opening weekends in the other markets.

Film studios get roughly 50% of a films total boxoffice, so QOS is going to have to gross big to break even.........................but studios hope that their films do big opening weekend boxoffice, as this is where they make most of their money, as they can get 80% of the revenues back from the initial opening takes.........the percentage figures dwindle as the weeks go by as the film grosses less, otherwise the cinema chains wouldn't make any money showing the film.

QOS should do well overall, despite a reported $230 mil budget, as the film should make a decent profit from its theatrical release alone, and this is disregarding DVD sales, TV rights and the fact that a large part of the budget would be offset by companies paying fortunes for the right to have their products shown on film.

AB

[bjmdds]

March 20, 2007, I came aboard this fine website. It is now one year later, and I am glad I did. This website's forum has grown to become a sanctuary for those with differing views on Daniel Wroughton Craig's portrayal as James Bond. This thread has been viewed over 130,000 times over this past year, with over 2500 responses with lively, intelligent, and fair debate. As we enter year two of it's existence, we approach Craig's second and crucial outing as 007. For few here, that is welcome news;however, for most here, a change of actor would be most welcomed. Let us continue our spirited debates in the same cordial manner we have come to know. I personally want to thank ALL those who I have met here for their perspectives and insights on their views and look forward to continuing reading them in the future. Happy anniversary to all involved!

[bjmdds]

I think you dismiss the other four actors here. Moore and Brosnan had a different style of Bond character + film. If they had made CR and overdone the bodybuilding they would have been seen as tougher. But they were more like the James Bond in the Fleming novels.

Craig is quite short. Some short people are even tougher than usual i.e Joe Pesci in Goodfellas. Craig is less physically imposing than the other five actors.

I don't agree. Craig's `shortness' (5ft, 11 isn't that short) doesn't come across at all in the film, IMO. And he is the most physically imposing since Connery - without doubt!

I suppose I'm being unfair to Lazenby, who looked like he could dish it out (as Skywalker said), but I'm not sure on Moore. I guess many of his scenes were surrounded by tongue-in-cheek moments and gimmicks, so I didn't take the fight scenes that serious (especially with his hair still in place afterwards, Robert Wagner Hart to Hart style).

Dalton played the role seriously, yet I didn't feel the fight scenes came natural to him, whereas Craig really does look like someone who you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of, the same as Connery did.

He is 5'10" and is short statured for a Bond. Look at the size of his co-actors. That was done to compensate for his smaller stature. You cannot spin this Sweeney. Craig has an 'oddball lunacy' about him, but sinister looking? Not in my book, and I find him most unbelievable in that regard.

[bjmdds]

It was revealed today that QOS will be released a week earlier in the UK than originally planned...............no explanation was given for this, but i think this could be a reason...........

.......EON are obviously very confident about QOS and have gone for a different release strategy from previous Bonds.........ie the film will be released globally in the same week in a very large number of countries.

This strategy has worked very well for recent blockbusters such as the Pirates films and HP, as it allows the film to totally dominate the film market to gain as much boxoffice revenue as possible, before rival films take the boxoffice take away, or if the film is a bit of a dud, it somewhat prevents bad word of mouth affecting a films performance in markets where it is released later.

Maybe, by releasing QOS a week earlier than the other major markets, the film studio is hoping that a huge opening weekend in the UK will promote larger opening weekends in the other markets.

Film studios get roughly 50% of a films total boxoffice, so QOS is going to have to gross big to break even.........................but studios hope that their films do big opening weekend boxoffice, as this is where they make most of their money, as they can get 80% of the revenues back from the initial opening takes.........the percentage figures dwindle as the weeks go by as the film grosses less, otherwise the cinema chains wouldn't make any money showing the film.

QOS should do well overall, despite a reported $230 mil budget, as the film should make a decent profit from its theatrical release alone, and this is disregarding DVD sales, TV rights and the fact that a large part of the budget would be offset by companies paying fortunes for the right to have their products shown on film.

AB

It's called the Harry Potter fear factor Arthur. Once the studios start to reconfigure release dates you know they have concerns over competition. How well do you think Craig's next month's UK release will go over?

[The Sweeney]

I think you dismiss the other four actors here. Moore and Brosnan had a different style of Bond character + film. If they had made CR and overdone the bodybuilding they would have been seen as tougher. But they were more like the James Bond in the Fleming novels.

Craig is quite short. Some short people are even tougher than usual i.e Joe Pesci in Goodfellas. Craig is less physically imposing than the other five actors.

I don't agree. Craig's `shortness' (5ft, 11 isn't that short) doesn't come across at all in the film, IMO. And he is the most physically imposing since Connery - without doubt!

I suppose I'm being unfair to Lazenby, who looked like he could dish it out (as Skywalker said), but I'm not sure on Moore. I guess many of his scenes were surrounded by tongue-in-cheek moments and gimmicks, so I didn't take the fight scenes that serious (especially with his hair still in place afterwards, Robert Wagner Hart to Hart style).

Dalton played the role seriously, yet I didn't feel the fight scenes came natural to him, whereas Craig really does look like someone who you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of, the same as Connery did.

He is 5'10" and is short statured for a Bond. Look at the size of his co-actors. That was done to compensate for his smaller stature. You cannot spin this Sweeney. Craig has an 'oddball lunacy' about him, but sinister looking? Not in my book, and I find him most unbelievable in that regard.

Craig's height always causes debate. Looking on the internet, most report him at either 5,11, or 6ft, and only one has him at 5,10 (IMDB) trust bj to pick the only negative one....

I wish we knew the exact figure here, to end this speculation. I reckon he isn't 6ft, but he isn't 5,10 either. 5,11 is probably spot on.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/entertainment/ ... _biog.html

http://www.celebritywonder.com/html/danielcraig.html

http://www.theindependentonline.co.uk/i ... rview.html

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=2992553914

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0185819/bio

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/new ... bond_x.htm

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s ... 72,00.html

[bjmdds]

If you stand all 6 Bonds in order of shortest to tallest, Craig will definitely be at one end of that line Sweenster, a fact. In a prior world, Bond required stature, which for some reason is not currently needed.

[The Sweeney]

If you stand all 6 Bonds in order of shortest to tallest, Craig will definitely be at one end of that line Sweenster, a fact. In a prior world, Bond required stature, which for some reason is not currently needed.

Craig is definitely the shortest of all the Bonds - no dispute there from me.

Did I notice it in CR? Not at all.

[Captain Nash]

If you stand all 6 Bonds in order of shortest to tallest, Craig will definitely be at one end of that line Sweenster, a fact. In a prior world, Bond required stature, which for some reason is not currently needed.

Craig is definitely the shortest of all the Bonds - no dispute there from me.

Did I notice it in CR? Not at all.

Don't forget Sweenster, anything will do to put Daniel Craig down (no pun intended).
For many Craigs 5'11" is not a problem. For some it is. But if that bothers you then I'd hate to discuss other movies with some of you.
The stormtrooper banging his head in SW:ANH must be a major issue. He can't be part of the imperial forces. He's banged his head.

[carl stromberg]

His height is not that important probably: but it winds the pro-Craigers up! If someone who looked like Bond such as McAvoy was cast, then I wouldn't mind that McAvoy is a little too short.

Still not sure why they did not cast a tall, rangy actor who has the Bond look though. Maybe Barbara was not obsessed with any actors with the Bond look.

[The Sweeney]

His height is not that important probably: but it winds the pro-Craigers up!

I think you have hit the nail on the head, with that one line alone, Carl.

His height is not that important (as I am glad you have admitted), in which case it can wind fans up when someone tries to say the height is all important.

[Gary Seven]

I think you dismiss the other four actors here. Moore and Brosnan had a different style of Bond character + film. If they had made CR and overdone the bodybuilding they would have been seen as tougher. But they were more like the James Bond in the Fleming novels.

Craig is quite short. Some short people are even tougher than usual i.e Joe Pesci in Goodfellas. Craig is less physically imposing than the other five actors.

I don't agree. Craig's `shortness' (5ft, 11 isn't that short) doesn't come across at all in the film, IMO. And he is the most physically imposing since Connery - without doubt!

I suppose I'm being unfair to Lazenby, who looked like he could dish it out (as Skywalker said), but I'm not sure on Moore. I guess many of his scenes were surrounded by tongue-in-cheek moments and gimmicks, so I didn't take the fight scenes that serious (especially with his hair still in place afterwards, Robert Wagner Hart to Hart style).

Dalton played the role seriously, yet I didn't feel the fight scenes came natural to him, whereas Craig really does look like someone who you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of, the same as Connery did.

Because I disliked someone who looks like Craig being Bond, his height is annoying me more than it should.

Unfortunately he can not put on hieght and instead made himself wider - which made him look even shorter and stockier.

[Red Grant]

I don't agree. Craig's `shortness' (5ft, 11 isn't that short) doesn't come across at all in the film, IMO. And he is the most physically imposing since Connery - without doubt!

What about Lazenby, he didn't have a Hulked out body like Craig but he was like a lithe panther!
Even though he's not that high on people's JB lists he would come out on top in a brawl with the others, a trainer in the Aussie SAS and trained under Bruce Lee. Even Connery couldn't compete with that (and he's #1 for me like many) being a bodybuilder and stint in boxing.